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No future as Programmer ?, Advice needed
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chaoshero
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 Jun 1 2007, 02:20 AM
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QUOTE(blue_heaven @ May 30 2007, 02:32 PM) Hi All, Need your golden advice.  Heard many people said there is no future work as programmer / technical field. Is there true? People always said programmer is under paid, work long hours, no claim for OT... But due to that a lot of people do not like to work as programmer and cause there is high demand for programmer in the market ( especially C++ or C). Please correct me if I am wrong. I see there is a lot of cases whereby my friend who studied IT end up choice work marketing, business, sales, project management.... because of they believed there is no future to be IT How you guys think? Is that true? Anyone have a good example who work as programmer get extremely high pay? My housemates are all IT people....the reason people who study IT but ending up doing other things such as sales and marketing is due to IT field evolve too fast and it is a very tough job....need to put on your thinking cap all the time.... And we bunch of youngsters are all lazy thinkers.....not to mention trial and error in writing a C++ program....most youngsters prefer to just do a job that can "relax" and lepak-lepak.... |
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chaoshero
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Jun 1 2007, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(Drian @ Jun 1 2007, 08:47 AM) You guys have to define first what is "have future". After working 20 years as a secretary , i get 4k , is that "have future"? For me "have future" means 1.) Having career advancement. 2.) High pay(and i don't mean 5k/month) 3.) In a growing industry. Growing doesn't mean just hiring more people , but an increase in average market salary. 4.) Career that have balanced work life. For programmer , I would say that they have an "average" future which means it's neither too bright or too dull. In IT line such as programmer, the future is in your hand.....it's not like other industry with increment RM150-200.....I have seen people starting pay of RM2800 in INTEL (penang) but since he is good his pay jump to RM4000 in his second piece of job just after 1.5 years in INTEL in PJ at the age of 25. Now already goes beyond that...... |
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chaoshero
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Jun 1 2007, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(darun @ Jun 1 2007, 10:46 AM) That doesnt mean a thing. If you plot the pay rise for most programmers over 30 years, it is not a straight upward line, rather it is curved and starts to slow down after you hit close to 10K. You have to Look at the salary cap to talk about FUTURE. As the more you project your career to the Future, the closer it gets to the cap. Like I said before, unless the person makes the jump to become a Manager, the salary cap for a programmer is not adequate to sustain a person when they get older and have grown up kids to provide for. Ask yourself, what is the ratio of Manager to Programmer. If every programmer sticks to being a programmer for 30 years, how many of those will become a Manager and get pass the salary cap of a programmer. Do you think that number is good? I would say it is not. Of course when I mean good future is around that RM10000....unless you are talking about CEO or Director monthly pay which can easily hit RM50-60k than thats different story..... We need to refer to society norm.....how many people can really become a CEO with that RM50k monthy pay cheque???? For a normal people can get a pay around RM10k is considered good enough already. |
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chaoshero
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Jun 2 2007, 02:04 AM
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Darun perhaps is right on that....RM10k may not be suffice over the coming years....unless we are able to justify how fast inflation rate escalate...everything in the future is justified by the power of inflation rate.....
Unless anyone here can predict with high certainty regarding the movements of interest rates, no one can tell how much is the minimal pay a sole breadwinner must bring home every month....
Added on June 2, 2007, 12:57 pmBut I can say that IT world does not really has a cap in the salary.....if you think you are bloody good even just one year of working experience you can demand RM4500 for monthly pay cheque. Even some of my friends just 2 years of working experience, they got salary of RM5000 quite close to a managerial salary and yet they are not Asst Manager.
My roomate, is a job hopper, change 4 jobs in 2 years, and every increment averagely up to RM500, even though does not possess relevant experience (every job he did is different in nature) and yet he can obtain high salary.
IT is very diiferent from other industry such as education, banking and corporate where every year of experience, there is a cap. For example if you have 3 years experience, the salary range is within RM2500-RM3000, not like IT want RM4k or RM5k is your wish and you still can get.
That's why the salary range is much wider in IT line compared to any other line.
This post has been edited by chaoshero: Jun 2 2007, 12:57 PM
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