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post Aug 26 2018, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ Aug 26 2018, 09:12 AM)
The problem with relying on links or an article from the internet too much is sometimes people who don't have the knowledge or experience place too much trust in them and regard them as the truth although they don't apply or compare, and the person does not consider the true or real factors. If you have lived in overseas you would notice that summer time in Europe especially in the UK cannot be considered as the same wheather in a Malaysia. I'm not sure how your friends came to the conclusion that the higher floors are hotter than lower floors and I will not assume on their part as there can be few possibilities. But as I have mentioned earlier, with the same conditions of sun exposure and surroundings ie. same area of a town between landed property and 20 or 30+ floors of an apartment, the high floors will always be cooler than the low floors due to the reasons as mentioned in my earlier post which I shall not repeat. It is the elevation that will make a difference, the higher it is the more significant.

A real life example of having winter in Malaysia with high elevation is Genting Highlands but you will need a lot of it.
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Well like i said, I've not lived in a high rise and definitely have not experience living in >20floor apart from being in the office which is fully air conditioned all the time so I can't comment based on experience. However, common sense tells me that higher floor would absorb heat more than those from the lower floor. As quoted and backed by hong kong experts as well

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Dr. William Yu, CEO of the World Green Organisation explains that rooftops exposed under the Sun, absorb heat throughout the morning, and subsequently release heat at dusk – explaining why the rooftops floors are hotter than ever. 


Bare in mind that Hong Kong is a sub-tropical country, which is the closest you can get in terms of climate in comparison to living in highly dense tropical city like KL.

You do realize Genting Highlands is on the hill and it perched on the peak of Mount Ulu Kali at 1,800 meters high right? On top of that it is not highly dense and does not factor in gas emission living in city like KL/Subang/PJ/MK/BJ and the likes right? I do not even think that it is sensible to bring in a highland as an example against a grounded and densely populated city.

Like I said, I could be wrong since I've not lived in both high floor and lower floor but I do like to know where you get your reasoning from. Have you lived in both 30> floor and 20< floor in your life to substantiate such reasoning from experience or are you saying it because you think it works that way?

Anyway, great debate and I applaud you on at least giving your reasoning compared to some other people in the forum who would just say "HIGH FLOOR IS COOLER, BELIEVE ME - END OF STORY", would be better if you could post sources or research to back your claim up or even better use a pyrometer and measure both high floor and low floor if you actually live in a high rise to prove your point. I do know about the concept of elevation but from my point of view and what I found from the net, the effects is more towards highlands rather than highrise (need more evidence though). Of course I'm not saying you should do it but for now, your reasoning is without facts and I believe that the sources I found at least presented my argument credibility than just reasoning without any credible support.

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post Aug 26 2018, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 25 2018, 02:44 AM)
It's hardly personal just by sharing a project name. No one is going to bat an eye on where you are residing and if you would have just simply give any project name from the top of your head it makes no different. I look at it as if you are just a jabberer or someone who likes to 'chui sui' and if that is the case, I would suggest you go to /k/ instead if you are not intending to contribute. Tell me, what did you intend your viewers to reply on your comment? CONGRATULATION YOU ARE A WINNER?

Nevertheless, since you do not want to disclose the project name or even bothered to name any examples, I'm fine with that but the fact that when you start to convince people your opinion as a FACT (saying that such property exist and you have bought one), be prepare to either back your claim up or just stop replying/provoking people. There is no point in convincing anyone about your opinion existence when you refuse to provide any supporting evidence and since you din't bother to back your facts up, don't mind me if I reject your statement, it goes both way. 

If you read my posts, whenever I mentioned "my opinion" I would at least elaborate and give my reasoning i.e. why I think facing north is better instead of it being a close ended statement. Also, when I state a fact like higher floor is hotter, I gave links and sources to articles highlighting on such predicament. I don't just go around and say "I found a property with no HTC/Facing Highway/All the bad stuff and comes with all the good stuff" and expect people to take it seriously.

Sorry to say you are not giving any advice let alone "good" advice here but merely instigating with nonsensical gibberish while at the same time refusing to back your claim up.

And again, roundtable discussion section is not a place for you to have fun, if you want to have fun please go to /k/.
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post Aug 26 2018, 01:39 PM

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https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/50616/H...ement-Heat-Flow

I think tis is a fair explanation with scenario below fr another website.

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=563

Enjoy
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post Aug 26 2018, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Aug 26 2018, 01:39 PM)
https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/50616/H...ement-Heat-Flow

I think tis is a fair explanation with scenario below fr another website.

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=563

Enjoy
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Unker kuptong champion, high rise unit doesn't has chimney or tiles roof to allow warm air or cold air leakage for heat stack effect to happen.
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post Aug 26 2018, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 26 2018, 01:50 PM)
Unker kuptong champion, high rise unit doesn't has chimney or tiles roof to allow warm air or cold air leakage for heat stack effect to happen.
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Use tat theory to apply to ur own experience lo. Liddat oso need to teach u meh😂😂😂

How r u gonna con ur clients to pay u their hard earn moolah to invest ar 🤔🤔🤔

Anw ur comprehension skill is a quarter cycle away. U won't und wan la.
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post Aug 26 2018, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 24 2018, 12:08 AM)
For me personally the "ideal" positioning is

1) Unit facing north with no high rise or any building in front. The reason is that wind blows from the north to the south, meaning that it would be cooler if your unit face north rather than south. In China, people tend to buy units facing south to avoid the cold winds from Siberia. Hence the feng sui lou always talk about "south" being ideal but it is rather stupid when they bring that concept to a tropical country like Malaysia where it is hot 365 days. A breeze of wind could really makes a different in your home unless you on the aircond 24/7. I learnt about this because my room used to face south when I was living with my parents  (landed) and I always go to my parents room (facing north) to sleep during the afternoon without knowing the reason why it was more comfortable and cooling until I knew about this. Seriously, my room facing south is stuffy and hot even during rainy days.

2) Units floor between 11-16. These should be the most ideal because the morning sunlight will not be so glaring over these floors while at the same time not low enough to consider living near the ground. The higher it goes, the brighter it gets during the morning and towards the afternoon the higher you are, the hotter it gets. Of course if your unit faces inwards or if there are high rise blocking infront of you, this would not be an issue. To me, having "great sky level view" is not something practical. Sure, for the first week you will feel nice looking out the window but after that, you will get bored of it really quick seeing the same thing over and over again for the rest of your life. If you want to chill and appreciate a great panoramic sky view, why not just head up to your rooftop sky garden? Even better view with no ceiling above your head and when you are done, just head back to your unit (each time you go up, it would feel amazing compared to you having to look at it every day and every night. It's like listening to music, it feels great once in a while when the song you like comes on the radio but if you play the song on repeat, it will get stale after awhile especially if you set it as your waking up alarm  sweat.gif )
These are my personal opinion based on experience and observation for the most "Practical" ideal living. Share your views, there is no right or wrong answer... just personal preferences
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For your Point 1, my parents' single story house face South West, by evening, the sun shines towards my parents' room. It's really hot in there. Besides, awning does not help as it traps the heat even though prevents direct sun light.

On the other hand, my own house double story now facing North directly. As much as I thought I can prevent those hot weather, the sun light actually from North West and did shines to my master room by evening which warms my master room. Although it is much colder compares to old house, I got no complain to be honest.
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post Aug 26 2018, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(Yveatel @ Aug 26 2018, 02:00 PM)
For your Point 1, my parents' single story house face South West, by evening, the sun shines towards my parents' room. It's really hot in there. Besides, awning does not help as it traps the heat even though prevents direct sun light.

On the other hand, my own house double story now facing North directly. As much as I thought I can prevent those hot weather, the sun light actually from North West and did shines to my master room by evening which warms my master room. Although it is much colder compares to old house, I got no complain to be honest.
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I do blif experience ll speak louder. Athg tat posted in Google is onli for reference n case study but not necessary the actual scenario.

As much as I likey East facing for morning sun, I hav started to fall in luv for the directly west facing with my own reason. And it took me 6yrs to realise tis.

But I think out of respect every1 here should seek approval fr aunty icy for own belief on own experience 😊😊😊

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post Aug 26 2018, 03:56 PM

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My old condo was facing North West direction, at level 12. In term of heat, I could have said less, but in comfort zone.
However, if walking to highest floors from staircase or out form lift, can experiencing more heat especially for those units near towards root top.

My current 3 storey landed is facing South direction, I found that the sun light/shine direction more direct to my opposite units are facing north from March to Oct (longer period) if compare to South (Nov to Feb) and more heat as direct to their Master Room as well.
My unit at third floor is warmer or more heat, at Ground Floor or first floor is the best, comfort zone.

Yes the heat from the ground. Closer to night, the heat from the ground will rise but this more relevant to earths atmosphere or environment

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post Aug 26 2018, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(Ckmwpy0370 @ Aug 26 2018, 03:56 PM)
My old condo was facing North West direction, at level 12. In term of heat, I could have said less, but in comfort zone.
However, if walking to highest floors from staircase or out form lift, can experiencing more heat especially for those units near towards root top.

My current 3 storey landed is facing South direction, I found that the sun light/shine direction more direct to my opposite units are facing north from March to Oct (longer period) if compare to South (Nov to Feb) and more heat as direct to their Master Room as well. 
My unit at third floor is warmer or more heat, at Ground Floor or first floor is the best, comfort zone.

Yes the heat from the ground. Closer to night, the heat from the ground will rise but this more relevant to earths atmosphere or environment
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Hows the view on your old condo?

Any pros and cons to share from your experience living at level 12?
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post Aug 26 2018, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 26 2018, 04:55 PM)
Hows the view on your old condo?

Any pros and cons to share from your experience living at level 12?
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Not too high no too low. My current unit face north with open view (no other high rise within 500meter away)

Based on my experience it depend which month or which rain. Sometimes it's damn hot and no feel wind blow into the house. Open door, windows wide wide also no breeze air. But then one day i realize its not because wind is now blowing into the house but something like pressure inside house preventing it.
I don't know how to explain this, but all i need to do is to open small door at my living room and the wind will flow nicely.
What trigger this thinking is that every time heavy rain, my front door feel heavy to open. No article to backup this phenomenon just sharing my experience.
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post Aug 26 2018, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(telurhilang @ Aug 26 2018, 05:30 PM)
Not too high no too low. My current unit face north with open view (no other high rise within 500meter away)

Based on my experience it depend which month or which rain. Sometimes it's damn hot and no feel wind blow into the house. Open door, windows wide wide also no breeze air. But then one day i realize its not because wind is now blowing into the house but something like pressure inside house preventing it.
I don't know how to explain this, but all i need to do is to open small door at my living room and the wind will flow nicely.
What trigger this thinking is that every time heavy rain, my front door feel heavy to open. No article to backup this phenomenon just sharing my experience.
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What floor are you in?

Why is there a small door in your living room. Your layout is masterbedroom, rooms and living room face north?
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post Aug 26 2018, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 26 2018, 05:33 PM)
What floor are you in?

Why is there a small door in your living room. Your layout is masterbedroom, rooms and living room face north?
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12th floor. No la. Typical old apartment layout. Small door I mean this. Not sure what exactly the term/name is.
Open the small side only because don't want neighbor see my messy living room sweat.gif

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post Aug 26 2018, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 26 2018, 04:55 PM)
Hows the view on your old condo?

Any pros and cons to share from your experience living at level 12?
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my old condo view is on green view instead of pool view.

Pro
Nice view, cooler during the raining seasons.
more privacy as our main door have individual view (not facing to each other)

Cons.
Car washing very troublesome, sometimes need to queue up.. Sigh
sometimes all the way down to car park to get something if forgotten. sigh


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post Aug 26 2018, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(telurhilang @ Aug 26 2018, 05:30 PM)
Not too high no too low. My current unit face north with open view (no other high rise within 500meter away)

Based on my experience it depend which month or which rain. Sometimes it's damn hot and no feel wind blow into the house. Open door, windows wide wide also no breeze air. But then one day i realize its not because wind is now blowing into the house but something like pressure inside house preventing it.
I don't know how to explain this, but all i need to do is to open small door at my living room and the wind will flow nicely.
What trigger this thinking is that every time heavy rain, my front door feel heavy to open. No article to backup this phenomenon just sharing my experience.
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Wind i.e. air flow like water from high pressure to low. by opening your front door created a path for it to flow else air trapped inside your home consequently pressure is higher than outside; hence still air.

in this country most people place aesthetic, style and cost above functional, neglected to consider air flow in house design. for reasons, louvre window was popular in pre-1970's bungalows in this country and still popular in spain and italy.

QUOTE(telurhilang @ Aug 26 2018, 06:18 PM)
12th floor. No la. Typical old apartment layout. Small door I mean this. Not sure what exactly the term/name is.
Open the small side only because don't want neighbor see my messy living room  sweat.gif

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If you replace your door with louvre, will get constant air flow.

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QUOTE(telurhilang @ Aug 26 2018, 05:30 PM)
Not too high no too low. My current unit face north with open view (no other high rise within 500meter away)

Based on my experience it depend which month or which rain. Sometimes it's damn hot and no feel wind blow into the house. Open door, windows wide wide also no breeze air. But then one day i realize its not because wind is now blowing into the house but something like pressure inside house preventing it.
I don't know how to explain this, but all i need to do is to open small door at my living room and the wind will flow nicely.
What trigger this thinking is that every time heavy rain, my front door feel heavy to open. No article to backup this phenomenon just sharing my experience.
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This is due to a air flow scenario call " Cross Ventilation "

When you open the small side door at living room and if the interior heat pressure is greater than outdoor, this will encourage outside wind to flow through the house and get out from the small door

Same concept apply to open all windows inside our house will help to reduce the heat we use to do.

See this diagram I screenshot somewhere on the net will have clearer understanding


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Moral of the story is:
Doesn't matter if u are on the ground or up in the sky, if your house design mess up the air flow, u r toast smile.gif

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post Aug 29 2018, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 25 2018, 02:44 AM)
It's hardly personal just by sharing a project name. No one is going to bat an eye on where you are residing and if you would have just simply give any project name from the top of your head it makes no different. I look at it as if you are just a jabberer or someone who likes to 'chui sui' and if that is the case, I would suggest you go to /k/ instead if you are not intending to contribute. Tell me, what did you intend your viewers to reply on your comment? CONGRATULATION YOU ARE A WINNER?

Nevertheless, since you do not want to disclose the project name or even bothered to name any examples, I'm fine with that but the fact that when you start to convince people your opinion as a FACT (saying that such property exist and you have bought one), be prepare to either back your claim up or just stop replying/provoking people. There is no point in convincing anyone about your opinion existence when you refuse to provide any supporting evidence and since you din't bother to back your facts up, don't mind me if I reject your statement, it goes both way. 

If you read my posts, whenever I mentioned "my opinion" I would at least elaborate and give my reasoning i.e. why I think facing north is better instead of it being a close ended statement. Also, when I state a fact like higher floor is hotter, I gave links and sources to articles highlighting on such predicament. I don't just go around and say "I found a property with no HTC/Facing Highway/All the bad stuff and comes with all the good stuff" and expect people to take it seriously.

Sorry to say you are not giving any advice let alone "good" advice here but merely instigating with nonsensical gibberish while at the same time refusing to back your claim up.

And again, roundtable discussion section is not a place for you to have fun, if you want to have fun please go to /k/.
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Wow, what aggravation from such trifles. cool2.gif

Why must I elaborate for you? You very big ah?

Tin kosong berbunyi lah!

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QUOTE(corleone74 @ Aug 29 2018, 12:52 AM)
Wow, what aggravation from such trifles.  cool2.gif

Why must I elaborate for you? You very big ah?

Tin kosong berbunyi lah!
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Aug 26 2018, 12:28 PM)
Well like i said, I've not lived in a high rise and definitely have not experience living in >20floor apart from being in the office which is fully air conditioned all the time so I can't comment based on experience. However, common sense tells me that higher floor would absorb heat more than those from the lower floor. As quoted and backed by hong kong experts as well
Bare in mind that Hong Kong is a sub-tropical country, which is the closest you can get in terms of climate in comparison to living in highly dense tropical city like KL.

You do realize Genting Highlands is on the hill and it perched on the peak of Mount Ulu Kali at 1,800 meters high right? On top of that it is not highly dense and does not factor in gas emission living in city like KL/Subang/PJ/MK/BJ and the likes right? I do not even think that it is sensible to bring in a highland as an example against a grounded and densely populated city.

Like I said, I could be wrong since I've not lived in both high floor and lower floor but I do like to know where you get your reasoning from. Have you lived in both 30> floor and 20< floor in your life to substantiate such reasoning from experience or are you saying it because you think it works that way?

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As I have mentioned earlier, I can only suggest not to place too much trust on articles on the internet or the experts without having the knowledge yourself on what you are comparing.

The Genting Highland example is applicable to show that elevation will make a difference with lower temperatures and cooler air. It may not be an apple and apple comparison but it shows that the higher you go, the cooler it will be and not the other way round as you have suggested by treating articles from the internet as the absolute truth without having an in-depth knowledge or experience in-hand.

 

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