For me personally the "ideal" positioning is

1) Unit facing north with no high rise or any building in front. The reason is that wind blows from the north to the south, meaning that it would be cooler if your unit face north rather than south. In China, people tend to buy units facing south to avoid the cold winds from Siberia. Hence the feng sui lou always talk about "south" being ideal but it is rather stupid when they bring that concept to a tropical country like Malaysia where it is hot 365 days. A breeze of wind could really makes a different in your home unless you on the aircond 24/7. I learnt about this because my room used to face south when I was living with my parents (landed) and I always go to my parents room (facing north) to sleep during the afternoon without knowing the reason why it was more comfortable and cooling until I knew about this. Seriously, my room facing south is stuffy and hot even during rainy days.

2) Units floor between 11-16. These should be the most ideal because the morning sunlight will not be so glaring over these floors while at the same time not low enough to consider living near the ground. The higher it goes, the brighter it gets during the morning and towards the afternoon the higher you are, the hotter it gets. Of course if your unit faces inwards or if there are high rise blocking infront of you, this would not be an issue. To me, having "great sky level view" is not something practical. Sure, for the first week you will feel nice looking out the window but after that, you will get bored of it really quick seeing the same thing over and over again for the rest of your life. If you want to chill and appreciate a great panoramic sky view, why not just head up to your rooftop sky garden? Even better view with no ceiling above your head and when you are done, just head back to your unit (each time you go up, it would feel amazing compared to you having to look at it every day and every night. It's like listening to music, it feels great once in a while when the song you like comes on the radio but if you play the song on repeat, it will get stale after awhile especially if you set it as your waking up alarm )


These are my personal opinion based on experience and observation for the most "Practical" ideal living. Share your views, there is no right or wrong answer... just personal preferences

This post has been edited by holypredator: Aug 24 2018, 12:13 AM

i don't believe in all these feng sui bull shit...as long as the unit is cheap, all is good

For your point 1, I think you got it wrong when you assume that your hotter room is due to the wind direction (your room facing South) and your parents room is cooler (facing North). It's mainly due to the sun direction and the location of the room which is exposed to the direct sun which causes a room to be hotter than another especially when it's a landed property. Wind will hardly make a difference with landed properties when it's close to the ground. The wind impact will only be significant when it's a high-rise whereby the units are higher up the ground.

For your point 2, it is also wrong for you to assume that the higher you go in an apartment the hotter it will get due to the morning or evening sun. The heat does not only come from direct sun above, but also the heat from the ground. Closer to night, the heat from the ground will rise and it is usually hotter with units which are closer to the ground, cooler with units which are higher up from the ground. This is irrespective of wind as it's solely based on heat that rises from the ground. If based on both wind and also the heat from ground, the higher floors will always be cooler than the lower floors. Of course, there are many ways which people can make their homes cooler by adding thick curtains to block the sun and of course, installing air-conditioners so in this sense it's not so much of an issue even though the lower (or higher) units of an apartment are hot. It's just that if comparing apple to apple without the aids of curtains and air-conditioners, the higher units will always be cooler than the lower units, ie. a unit above 20th floor compared to say a 3rd or 4th floor unit.

As for the panoramic sky level view with higher levels, yes it's subjective and will be dependent on preference.

wrong. too cheap property is no good. that's why you don't see pipu who can afford 1m property buy a 200k unit for their own family.
i don't belive in fs bs too, just some jokers running around trying to earn money from superstitious lot. however a lot of the fs principle do make sense. like facing south , not facing a noisy chaotic road (highway) and so on. use your brain. bring wife or mummy is best. women know these things intuitively whether the house good for stay or not.

if u r saying buy for rental then yes cheap is a prerequisite. but even then too cheap rental unit got their share of big problem, like dodgy tenants.

in response to TS: i look for

facing north or south orientation (important is NO AFTERNOON SUN)
layout of floor ie how many unit / floor, door facing other unit? how many wall joining neighbour (corner? intermediate) ? near lift? near garbage room? etc
facing greenery or sea
NOT FACING HTC, noisy area, NOT FACING HIGHWAY
unblocked view (both current and also future planning)

as for floor level depend on area. like MK prefer slightly lower floor (not > 12 floor).

This post has been edited by corleone74: Aug 24 2018, 10:52 AM

I ll look for living facing directly east to get max sunlight as I hav plenty of potted plants at home. 😬😬😬

as long as got Sunlight come inside the house.. will be fine

east is good for morning sun, but sometimes generates a bit too warm at living hall.

all the sun light thingy related issue can be solved by a RM50 thick taobao curtain... never a concern for me.

the real important concern for me is privacy where no one outside can view your house, that why i always brought corner unit.

I think all directions in Malaysia are quite equally. The north is hot from March to August, the south is hot from October to February. The East is hot at morning, the west is hot at afternoon.

Young people should chose west as you wake up late and return home late while old people should chose East as they wake early and go to bed early.

This post has been edited by Maximo1: Aug 24 2018, 02:04 PM

West Malaysia... Taman Desa.. Double Storey house

I respect your point of view but I did not get it wrong.

My room is not exposed to any direct sun because there is an awning outside my room (yard area). My room feels very stuffy even with fan and ventilation on compared to my parents room and I realize it is because there is no air coming in from the outside at all. This is severely noticeable during heavy rainstorm cause despite strong winds outside, I can't feel any wind in my room and I don't even need to close the window (perhaps partly due to the awning but then again strong wind and rain could have still blown the rain water in but it dint) whereas my parents room have to close the window cause the water can be blown in if there is strong wind (bear in mind my parents room has a balcony and roofing as well... so even wider gap than my own awning). Not sure if you've lived in a landed property before but it makes A LOT of difference base on my experience living in one. Just to add on that my parents house is a double story house, both my room and my parents room are on the second floor with my room facing south while my parents room facing north.


For point 2, it's just my assumption and research from the web. I've not live in a high rise (for long period of time) before but most article including comments/forums and even scientific journal explained that top floor temperature is higher during summer time (in Malaysia case it would be all the time). Even my friends who lived in serviced apartment told me that so I don't know why you've mentioned otherwise.
Source :
http://thewgo.org/website/eng/news/rooftop-temperature/
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-top-floor-bui...an-other-floors

You have so many requirements, you sure you can get the property you want? Unless you don't mind distance and amenities (since you din't mention them) I believe you could get such property on the outskirt.

If you take into consideration of "practical" living which includes having abundance of amenities, located in "prime area" and transit station within walking distance, I doubt you can have the best of both word of facing greenery/sea/no facing htc/highway .....

To me it has to be give or take and as far as highway/HTC is concerned, as long as the highway is not 1 street away from where you live (basically far enough to not hear sounds from highway/whatever that could affect my well being apart from "not liking the view" then it is alright for me). HTC as long as it is not right beside my property like picture below or within close proximity like 10 feet or less then I'm fine with it.

Of course I can, I have bought them, I am living in some of them, I have a few.

One of them is in MK itself. Lowdensity, greenery, no HTC no highway, unblocked view, not near garbage room, only 1 neighbour sharing wall. 5 mins walk to a brand new mall. 5 min drive to hartamas to eat my favourite jln batai wantan mee.

You have to keep saying NO to lousy properties until you get the most bestest that you can find for your budget. Women know this well. Because they spend their whole lives shopping. So bring your wife next time you go see popoti.

This post has been edited by corleone74: Aug 24 2018, 08:23 PM

Mind sharing the project name? is it a new project or completed? How many SQF and how much you bought and when..

sorry, details of my life is private and confidential.

in fact i want to say there are MANY good popoti out there la. so never sell yourself short when buying such an expensive asset.

when view a unit.. see highway? cancel from your list (the din will make you can't sleep well, can't watch tv, etc. and you on aircon all the time). see HTC? cancel (who want to see HTC everyday). see too many units per floor? cancel (who want to everyday keep bumping into 10 people at the lift every morning). you step out of the lift, immediately see the unit front door? cancel (everybody come out the floor can hear them talking). you go inside the unit, look out the hall balcony or window, can see the misai on the resident in another block ? cancel (they can also see you pulling your nose hair).

good popoti need to hunt for it.

This post has been edited by corleone74: Aug 24 2018, 10:50 PM

WTH.. the name of the project is private and confidential? I don't even know who you are and I'm not even asking which unit you are staying in.


Honestly I was interested in your point of view but seeing that your answer to a simple name of the project which is so called the "perfect" property that you are talking about can't be disclosed, I don't think anyone could take your comment seriously.

Seriously, your answer is as good as any other BS artist who can't back up their claim with facts. Because what you are saying is not an opinion but a fact that your so called property fits all criteria, I don't see the reason for you not to tell the name of the project other than the project does not exist, either way if your comments are as good as "OH I bought a perfect condo in never never land" you might as well don't reply at all.

This post has been edited by holypredator: Aug 25 2018, 12:29 AM

That's right. It's exactly because I don't know who you or anyone else in this public forum is, that I don't want to share any personal info. That includes which project I am currently residing in.

You asked in a forum, I gave my opinion.

You want to believe, I don't earn anything.

You don't believe, I also don't lose anything.

And please don't paraphrase me. I didn't say I have the PERFECT PROPERTY (that would be a good class bungalow in nassim road, which unfortunately I cannot afford).

What you did was You asked for positive features to look out for when buying a highrise property. I gave my opinion. That's it. And those same features are those that I have found personally and bought said units. I can't help it if you are not as selective as I am.

Seriously, I don't need to back up my claim with anything. I offer good advice. And it's free.

In conclusion, all of us here are just talking in this forum for fun.

Take it or leave it.

This post has been edited by corleone74: Aug 25 2018, 02:02 AM

It's hardly personal just by sharing a project name. No one is going to bat an eye on where you are residing and if you would have just simply give any project name from the top of your head it makes no different. I look at it as if you are just a jabberer or someone who likes to 'chui sui' and if that is the case, I would suggest you go to /k/ instead if you are not intending to contribute. Tell me, what did you intend your viewers to reply on your comment? CONGRATULATION YOU ARE A WINNER?

Nevertheless, since you do not want to disclose the project name or even bothered to name any examples, I'm fine with that but the fact that when you start to convince people your opinion as a FACT (saying that such property exist and you have bought one), be prepare to either back your claim up or just stop replying/provoking people. There is no point in convincing anyone about your opinion existence when you refuse to provide any supporting evidence and since you din't bother to back your facts up, don't mind me if I reject your statement, it goes both way.

If you read my posts, whenever I mentioned "my opinion" I would at least elaborate and give my reasoning i.e. why I think facing north is better instead of it being a close ended statement. Also, when I state a fact like higher floor is hotter, I gave links and sources to articles highlighting on such predicament. I don't just go around and say "I found a property with no HTC/Facing Highway/All the bad stuff and comes with all the good stuff" and expect people to take it seriously.

Sorry to say you are not giving any advice let alone "good" advice here but merely instigating with nonsensical gibberish while at the same time refusing to back your claim up.

And again, roundtable discussion section is not a place for you to have fun, if you want to have fun please go to /k/.

This post has been edited by holypredator: Aug 25 2018, 02:46 AM

The problem with relying on links or an article from the internet too much is sometimes people who don't have the knowledge or experience place too much trust in them and regard them as the truth although they don't apply or compare, and the person does not consider the true or real factors. If you have lived in overseas you would notice that summer time in Europe especially in the UK cannot be considered as the same wheather in a Malaysia. I'm not sure how your friends came to the conclusion that the higher floors are hotter than lower floors and I will not assume on their part as there can be few possibilities. But as I have mentioned earlier, with the same conditions of sun exposure and surroundings ie. same area of a town between landed property and 20 or 30+ floors of an apartment, the high floors will always be cooler than the low floors due to the reasons as mentioned in my earlier post which I shall not repeat. It is the elevation that will make a difference, the higher it is the more significant.

A real life example of having winter in Malaysia with high elevation is Genting Highlands but you will need a lot of it.

I was in Brinchang, Cameron Highlands last week.
Before going up, ambient temperature 33 celcius.
Drive to the top, 26 celcius.
At night, 16 celcius. .. cool...

But will need a very high tower to achieve that kind of effect.

Well like i said, I've not lived in a high rise and definitely have not experience living in >20floor apart from being in the office which is fully air conditioned all the time so I can't comment based on experience. However, common sense tells me that higher floor would absorb heat more than those from the lower floor. As quoted and backed by hong kong experts as well



Bare in mind that Hong Kong is a sub-tropical country, which is the closest you can get in terms of climate in comparison to living in highly dense tropical city like KL.

You do realize Genting Highlands is on the hill and it perched on the peak of Mount Ulu Kali at 1,800 meters high right? On top of that it is not highly dense and does not factor in gas emission living in city like KL/Subang/PJ/MK/BJ and the likes right? I do not even think that it is sensible to bring in a highland as an example against a grounded and densely populated city.

Like I said, I could be wrong since I've not lived in both high floor and lower floor but I do like to know where you get your reasoning from. Have you lived in both 30> floor and 20< floor in your life to substantiate such reasoning from experience or are you saying it because you think it works that way?

Anyway, great debate and I applaud you on at least giving your reasoning compared to some other people in the forum who would just say "HIGH FLOOR IS COOLER, BELIEVE ME - END OF STORY", would be better if you could post sources or research to back your claim up or even better use a pyrometer and measure both high floor and low floor if you actually live in a high rise to prove your point. I do know about the concept of elevation but from my point of view and what I found from the net, the effects is more towards highlands rather than highrise (need more evidence though). Of course I'm not saying you should do it but for now, your reasoning is without facts and I believe that the sources I found at least presented my argument credibility than just reasoning without any credible support.

This post has been edited by holypredator: Aug 26 2018, 12:31 PM

+1

https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/50616/H...ement-Heat-Flow

I think tis is a fair explanation with scenario below fr another website.

http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=563

Enjoy

Unker kuptong champion, high rise unit doesn't has chimney or tiles roof to allow warm air or cold air leakage for heat stack effect to happen.

Use tat theory to apply to ur own experience lo. Liddat oso need to teach u meh😂😂😂

How r u gonna con ur clients to pay u their hard earn moolah to invest ar 🤔🤔🤔

Anw ur comprehension skill is a quarter cycle away. U won't und wan la.

For your Point 1, my parents' single story house face South West, by evening, the sun shines towards my parents' room. It's really hot in there. Besides, awning does not help as it traps the heat even though prevents direct sun light.

On the other hand, my own house double story now facing North directly. As much as I thought I can prevent those hot weather, the sun light actually from North West and did shines to my master room by evening which warms my master room. Although it is much colder compares to old house, I got no complain to be honest.

I do blif experience ll speak louder. Athg tat posted in Google is onli for reference n case study but not necessary the actual scenario.

As much as I likey East facing for morning sun, I hav started to fall in luv for the directly west facing with my own reason. And it took me 6yrs to realise tis.

But I think out of respect every1 here should seek approval fr aunty icy for own belief on own experience 😊😊😊

This post has been edited by ManutdGiggs: Aug 26 2018, 02:08 PM

My old condo was facing North West direction, at level 12. In term of heat, I could have said less, but in comfort zone.
However, if walking to highest floors from staircase or out form lift, can experiencing more heat especially for those units near towards root top.

My current 3 storey landed is facing South direction, I found that the sun light/shine direction more direct to my opposite units are facing north from March to Oct (longer period) if compare to South (Nov to Feb) and more heat as direct to their Master Room as well.
My unit at third floor is warmer or more heat, at Ground Floor or first floor is the best, comfort zone.

Yes the heat from the ground. Closer to night, the heat from the ground will rise but this more relevant to earths atmosphere or environment

Hows the view on your old condo?

Any pros and cons to share from your experience living at level 12?

Not too high no too low. My current unit face north with open view (no other high rise within 500meter away)

Based on my experience it depend which month or which rain. Sometimes it's damn hot and no feel wind blow into the house. Open door, windows wide wide also no breeze air. But then one day i realize its not because wind is now blowing into the house but something like pressure inside house preventing it.
I don't know how to explain this, but all i need to do is to open small door at my living room and the wind will flow nicely.
What trigger this thinking is that every time heavy rain, my front door feel heavy to open. No article to backup this phenomenon just sharing my experience.

What floor are you in?

Why is there a small door in your living room. Your layout is masterbedroom, rooms and living room face north?

12th floor. No la. Typical old apartment layout. Small door I mean this. Not sure what exactly the term/name is.
Open the small side only because don't want neighbor see my messy living room

my old condo view is on green view instead of pool view.

Pro
Nice view, cooler during the raining seasons.
more privacy as our main door have individual view (not facing to each other)

Cons.
Car washing very troublesome, sometimes need to queue up.. Sigh
sometimes all the way down to car park to get something if forgotten. sigh

Wind i.e. air flow like water from high pressure to low. by opening your front door created a path for it to flow else air trapped inside your home consequently pressure is higher than outside; hence still air.

in this country most people place aesthetic, style and cost above functional, neglected to consider air flow in house design. for reasons, louvre window was popular in pre-1970's bungalows in this country and still popular in spain and italy.

If you replace your door with louvre, will get constant air flow.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Aug 26 2018, 08:49 PM

This is due to a air flow scenario call " Cross Ventilation "

When you open the small side door at living room and if the interior heat pressure is greater than outdoor, this will encourage outside wind to flow through the house and get out from the small door

Same concept apply to open all windows inside our house will help to reduce the heat we use to do.

See this diagram I screenshot somewhere on the net will have clearer understanding


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Moral of the story is:
Doesn't matter if u are on the ground or up in the sky, if your house design mess up the air flow, u r toast

Wow, what aggravation from such trifles.

Why must I elaborate for you? You very big ah?

Tin kosong berbunyi lah!

This post has been edited by corleone74: Aug 29 2018, 12:53 AM

If you are not contributing please just get out. You are a real embarrassment, see your replies I also want to muntah

As I have mentioned earlier, I can only suggest not to place too much trust on articles on the internet or the experts without having the knowledge yourself on what you are comparing.

The Genting Highland example is applicable to show that elevation will make a difference with lower temperatures and cooler air. It may not be an apple and apple comparison but it shows that the higher you go, the cooler it will be and not the other way round as you have suggested by treating articles from the internet as the absolute truth without having an in-depth knowledge or experience in-hand.