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 I want a BMW 328i M sport so BADLY, Please advise

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post Aug 23 2018, 12:17 PM, updated 8y ago

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Hello experts,

I am a 24 years old kid (Malaysian) and want to own a second hand BMW F30 328i M-sport so badly. I have 3 income sources, my main income is RM2,670 nett, and going to RM3,770 nett on next month.

Main income: RM3,770 /month (nett) (Fresh graduate income)
Second income: RM500-1000 /month (not consistent)
Third income: RM3,000 - 10,000 / month (so far the highest, been having this for a year)

My expenses:
1. Food & petrol: RM2,000/ month
2. Rental: RM450 / month
3. Entertainment + GIRLFRIEND: RM1,000 / month
4. No insurance since my company is covering it for us as an employee.
5. 0 commitment. (Thanks to my parents for offering me a 10 years old VIOS).
6. 0 commitment since I bought an apartment unit and rent it out.

In average, I can save up RM3,000 - RM15,000 / month. (RM15,000 is the highest achievement so far, only hit once).


I want to have a second hand BMW F30 328i M-Sport 2014 yr, with price RM140K. loan with 7 yrs, and installment would be RM1,400 +-.

I need advise from all experts since I'm still young. The reason I don't want to buy a brand new 318i is because the depreciation value is high and I think it's not worth for me. What I know is the depreciate value is up to RM130K for 4 yrs old car. I'm saying 328i M-Sport.

My concerns:

1. How much would I lost from buying this after I sell it off after 5 years.

2. How much would cost me to maintain? (installment + maintenance)

3. Is it really that bad to buy a German continental car (used car) because I've seen so many bad review on it.


PLEASE TO ALL SIFU TO GIVE ME A PROPER ADVISE....
TSStanleySAPBasis
post Aug 23 2018, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Aug 23 2018, 01:22 PM)
24 year old "young" man ?

Answer me these questions first

1) Have you ever own a car b4 ? if yes wat car ?
    Not own. I'm driving a Vios now (parents' extra car). Not going to sell it off, and planning to own a 328i soon.

2) What is the average minimum take home pay each mth for thr past 12mths ?
    RM3,000 - 15,000. In the past 12 months.

3) What industry are you in ?, any chance of getting retrenched within these 2 years ?
    I'm a SAP consultant (System engineer), higher chance to get retrenched. Having multiple investments hich support my cash flow without the needs f spending time to monitor it.


4) How much of cash savings in the bank now ?
  RM50K fd for now.

Answer these Q & I will rate your chances of owning a F30 without getting tarik by the Bank in future.

Btw, I am a current owner of a used BMW.
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Please advise if I could afford it and wondering 328i M-sport 2014 yr could last for another 7 years. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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post Aug 23 2018, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(xemoboyx @ Aug 23 2018, 01:48 PM)
Migrate to australia, uk or us...

Anyway.. gross income 6to 7k ish can sit bmw lah. Dont worry. Just no savings for future nia.. hahahahha
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Should be having extra 6-7k / month after deduct my all expenses.
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post Aug 23 2018, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(lowyaters @ Aug 23 2018, 02:05 PM)
If im in your position, i'll get a bmw with 1-2 years warranty left just to get the rough figure of the maintenace cost.
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Yes that would be great. But I wish to spend about 1.7k from my extra 6-7k saving per month only and use the remaining to wait for better investment opportunity. 140k loan is fine for me. If more than that, I wouldn't have chance to do something else instead of paying for car.
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post Aug 23 2018, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 23 2018, 02:18 PM)
Kids nowadays, just want to show off and enjoy with fancy cars despite such low income level.
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Thanks for your compliment. At least I earn more than the majority in my age. Age doesn't define everything, CASH does.

I buy it with the minimal lost. Used car, low depreciation, low commitment. At the same time, I still have CASH.

SORRY NOT TO SHOW OFF, BUT EARN FOR WHAT WE WANT.

It's hard to own a fancy car after you're married. So if I can afford it when I'm young (BY OWN MY CASH), why not? Do it only when I'm old?

THAT'S OLD SCHOOL THEORY.......


SOWEEYYY..
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post Aug 23 2018, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(dman @ Aug 23 2018, 02:19 PM)
On the current BMW lineup- they dropped the 320 and 330/328 and replaced with 330e M Sport. So 328i M Sport became rare breed currently and it's one of the most BMW-ish of the lot with pure petrol performance without the heavy battery of the 330e.

Since this is Fast and Furious section and not financial section so my advice is Go for it bro!
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I see. So basically 330e is the 328i with E-technology, that's the difference? But I think I'm not gonna buy 330e since I don't really travel much. Just buy it for my goal achievement and satisfaction. Thanks for your info anyway.
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post Aug 23 2018, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 23 2018, 04:10 PM)
Ok then buy lor!  laugh.gif  Hopefully that 328i can help drive you to achieve saving rm15k per month consistently.  icon_rolleyes.gif 

Btw I'm in the same industry as you for 20yrs now (but not Basis) so I know how your main job is. I might get to know you someday coz SAP is a small world. If I meet a young Basis guy with a shinny 328i then it's probably you. Careful though, many Basis roles are outsourced to India already while in S/4HANA SAP Cloud, Basis is not needed anymore.
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It's okay. Because my goal is not to survive with my main job. Thanks for your advise senior. Good luck to you as well.
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post Aug 23 2018, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Muscabee @ Aug 23 2018, 03:19 PM)
this is like the same old case when a dude managed to save up 1 million to buy a lamborghini then realize that the cost of servicing, spare parts, insurance, etc is wayy more than whats he capable of. Dear TS, u want to buy a used car.. and u r just 24 years old, there are still more commitment in life.. u surely dont want to waste most of ur income for car... lol
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Yes true. But if I don't do it when I'm young, and capable to seek for more money, then I might missed this in my life.

Slowly having more commitments, and probably will not have a chance to get these experience.
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post Aug 23 2018, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Aug 23 2018, 04:09 PM)
You can definitely afford it. It's just a matter of prioritizing your money - instant gratification or delayed gratification (savings for old age).

Only you will know, when you are 60 years old, whether you will regret spending a chunk of money on the BMW, or regret not buying the BMW because "we only live once".
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I believe nowadays everyone is having more than 1 income source. So by the day when I'm 60, I believe I won't be only relying on my own saving. I'm not a lazy guy. =)

Thanks for the concern anyway. =)
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post Aug 23 2018, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(kingz113 @ Aug 23 2018, 03:29 PM)
You sound like a smart kid. If your figures are true, and you keep expanding your skillsets while more or less maintaining your lifestyle, the money will flood in.

the bang factor is alot larger driving a nice car when you are in your 20s, compared to when you are 30 or above. Not to mention the tonnes of commitments when you are older and more concerned with the car's practicality (family) than fun-ness of the car.

You can always sell the car when you get bored of it. Yes you'll lose money but the respect and turned heads will more than make up for those money. I've had my fair share of throwing stupid money at stupid things, do not regret a single part of it, and like i say, if you are good at what you do, these money will eventually seem like chump change.
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I'm just a hard work boy same as the other. Yes the figure is true, but I can't guaranteed that this can last for 7 years (Thanks god if it does).

Regarding to the commitments, that is the purpose I'm posting this to get to know a rough idea of the cost that I need to commit soon, so that I could plan.

I'm ready to lose the money, I don't smoke and drink much, so that's the only thing that I'll need to spend. We earn to cover the lose, that's the game.

No lose, no motivation. That's my theory la XD..


Thanks for your advise ya.
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post Aug 23 2018, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(keyser soze @ Aug 23 2018, 02:29 PM)
Driving a 5 years old 328i M-Sport over 100k km. Never give me any problems so far. Even the battery also haven't change.
The tyre is going to be expensive. Especially the rear one. I think it I paid around Rm1.5k per piece. Brake pad and brake disc cost around 1.5k per pair. You just have to pray the adaptive suspension don't spoil.
The engine air intake is quite low. If your car suck in water cost around RM30k to repair. Many F30 suffer from this. So drive slow during haeavy rain.
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Ah great. This is what I'm looking for. The user experience. Thank you bro.
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post Aug 23 2018, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(mushigen @ Aug 23 2018, 04:48 PM)
Nah, I have no concern for you as it's your life.

Actually I don't know why you opened this thread if you only want to hear supporting opinion.
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These are the questions.

1. How much would I lost from buying this after I sell it off after 5 years.

2. How much would cost me to maintain? (installment + maintenance)

3. Is it really that bad to buy a German continental car (used car) because I've seen so many bad review on it.


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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Aug 23 2018, 04:51 PM)
Since ts is buying a used unit, the most parts that need to be replace n pricey is the steering column. Not sure why it only happen at Germany car and not sure how much for 328i.

Please hope that the idrive notification dont blink2 any service /part notification if not u will stress out. Sometimes it just a false alarm
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Hi thanks for your info. May I know more about it please? Because I can't get this on google.
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post Aug 23 2018, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(corad @ Aug 23 2018, 04:52 PM)
1. Look at 3's that are 5 years older on mudah/oto and you'll get the idea. Once a new model comes out they plummet.
2. Local BMW's have 5 year warranty, so hopefully the one you're eyeing was well maintained. Depends how it's been / being driven, RM250/month just for maintenance would be a safe budget for a normal driver
3. They're way less forgiving than Jap/local cars ... so if you see any warning lights get it taken care of asap.
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How about the mileage record, is it possible to be modified?
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post Aug 24 2018, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 23 2018, 06:57 PM)
He said he has rm50k FD in the bank. If he used some of that for 10% DP for a rm140k car and some paperwork fees, then maybe less rm15k, so left around rm35k? Then maybe initial repairs and maintenance needs around rm2-4k?  So roughly down to around rm30+k maybe, is that a big pile of cash?
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I don't need to touch my fd pun.
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post Aug 24 2018, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 23 2018, 10:55 PM)
It's ok ma, he got rm50k CASH wor!  laugh.gif
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I feel pity on you. The way you think is like you're only having FD in your acc and nothing else left. Even u makan also need to take out your FD for the bill, and then send the money back to ur FD acc.

Wooopps.
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post Aug 24 2018, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Aug 24 2018, 08:50 AM)
2nd hand car and its on 7 years loan. You cant afford it yet. 50k fd is not a lot.

1. How much would I lost from buying this after I sell it off after 5 years.
W204 C250 bought in 2011 around 280k (can say almost the same as 328). Trade in for RM70k in May2018. For 2014 328i you can imagine yourself lah the value after 5 years.

2. How much would cost me to maintain? (installment + maintenance)

I still send to auto bavaria kl for service. Normal service around 1.6k. the RFT tyres costs 1k+ each if you want the same tyre. There's a cheaper option for tyre which is Bridgestone Turanza RFT.
3. Is it really that bad to buy a German continental car (used car) because I've seen so many bad review on it.

Not bad if you can afford to own a new one with 5 years warranty. Bought GLC in may. in n out of workshop few times. Now already in service center for a month+. They said theres a problem with ECU. The replacement cost is more than RM10k for the ecu and they also need to change the whole cable idk what cable which they need to order it from Mercedes Germany which also costs a lot and good thing that it is still under warranty. So you need to think again with your reserve money can you afford to pay the repair cost if something goes wrong.
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Yes. I did some math and found out that the depreciation value is even higher than changing all parts into the new one. Just want to get a rough figure so I could prepare for it. Thanks for your info. it's useful!!
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post Aug 24 2018, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Aug 24 2018, 08:50 AM)
2nd hand car and its on 7 years loan. You cant afford it yet. 50k fd is not a lot.

1. How much would I lost from buying this after I sell it off after 5 years.
W204 C250 bought in 2011 around 280k (can say almost the same as 328). Trade in for RM70k in May2018. For 2014 328i you can imagine yourself lah the value after 5 years.

2. How much would cost me to maintain? (installment + maintenance)

I still send to auto bavaria kl for service. Normal service around 1.6k. the RFT tyres costs 1k+ each if you want the same tyre. There's a cheaper option for tyre which is Bridgestone Turanza RFT.
3. Is it really that bad to buy a German continental car (used car) because I've seen so many bad review on it.

Not bad if you can afford to own a new one with 5 years warranty. Bought GLC in may. in n out of workshop few times. Now already in service center for a month+. They said theres a problem with ECU. The replacement cost is more than RM10k for the ecu and they also need to change the whole cable idk what cable which they need to order it from Mercedes Germany which also costs a lot and good thing that it is still under warranty. So you need to think again with your reserve money can you afford to pay the repair cost if something goes wrong.
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RFT is not necessary right? Because you'll hv to be superb careful on it. Die die need to change a new one if u hit a lobang.
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post Aug 24 2018, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(ongss @ Aug 24 2018, 09:08 AM)
One main advantage of the continental car is the on-board computer. It tracks the driving habits, service records/histories and life span of the parts. E.g. when to change the brake disc/pad, when to change the brake fluid, micro-filter, and etc. By modifying all these, that means have to track manually when to replace those items. Doesn't this defeat the purpose of owning a continental car?

Cars are just cars, even suspension will leak after 5 years. I used to own a 5 years old continental car. When I felt something was not right about the front suspension, I thought I could live with it. At the end, the suspension problem led to more problems, my struts, cross arm and bushing all needed to be changed. Comfort and performance drivings always come with cost. So, owning a BMW is not just about speed, but to keep it in good conditions.
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Yes, I already expect that. Worse to worse, I'm ready to change all the necessary parts.
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post Aug 24 2018, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Aug 24 2018, 09:19 AM)
if you die die want to buy, no one can stop you. after all its your money and your life. ppl here just advising.
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No die die larr. Need y'all to give precious advises.. still thinking whether it is the right decision.

Anyhow, thank you so much for your time..

So from experts opinions, y'all prefer the brand new one with 5 yrs warranty instead of having the second handed one.

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