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post Aug 11 2018, 04:02 PM, updated 8y ago

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This is an owner's opinion on owning a second hand manual 2008 Suzuki Swift Sport (ZC31S).

For driving enthusiast in Malaysia, there are not many choice for an affordable and fun manual car. So for those who is considering a ZC31S, can refer to my experience below.

I bought a manual 2008 ZC31S in 2017 for RM33k on the road. The car had 80k on odometer, unmodified, and is officially brought in by Suzuki Malaysia back then.
It is the facelift version, most notably change is the engine redline raise to 7000rpm. A taller 1st gear and shorter final drive for manual gearbox. So when cruising at 100km/h in 5th gear, engine RPM is 3500 (before facelift is 3300RPM).

Coming from Kelisa, ZC31S feels a lot more planted and solid. But surprisingly, practicality is only slightly better than Kelisa, especially the boot space which is only slightly bigger. There is a boot separator, if you fold or remove it will give you a deeper boot space. There is no pocket behind the driver and passenger seat, which is weird because the normal Swift has it.

The ZC31S does not come with spare tire, because the boot space become shallower to accommodate the twin exit exhaust. It only has tire repair kit.
The manual gearbox is very nice to use. The gear stick shift throw is short and accurate, at least when compare to Kelisa. All 5 forward gear are close ratio, you can even go uphill using 5th gear at about 50km/h!
The clutch feedback feel nice and easy to modulate. There is a noticeable throttle lag when compare to Kelisa, which is really annoying, luckily after market have fix for it.
The car has a bit of rattling noise from front suspension when going through bad road, some rattling from driver side mirror. It's acceptable for me.


ZC31S accept minimum RON95, recommend RON98. Below are my experience with different RON fuel:
RON95 (less power, better FC O_o )
RON97 (better power, poorer FC)
RON100 (same like RON97, but feel even more powerful after ECU reflash, I could be wrong)
VPower Racing (same like RON97)

My average FC is 13.5km/l or 7.4l/100km, with RRP fifth gear and using RON97.


On with the list of parts repair or replacement done within a year of owning it. I skip those regular wear and tear stuffs like spark plugs and transmission fluid.
Engine mounting
Oil filter housing O ring
Front suspension mounting
Front stabiliser bush
Thermostat housing (Corroded and leaking due to previous owner run ONLY WATER in cooling system!)
Coolant hose T Joint (Same as above)
Rear shock absorber (Replace with Kayaba Excel G, original Monroe is too expensive)
O2 sensor (both top and bottom, used unit)
Exhaust manifold (Top O2 sensor stuck, so gotta replace too, used unit)
Reverse sensor (Botch paint job sprayed over the original reverse sensor, render it useless!)
Magnetic Clutch Kit (Keep blowing fuse hence no cold air. The magnet insulation has cracked)
Blower fan (Was noisy, so replace it)
Reinstall windshield (Leaking due to previous poor fitting)

Cost about RM3600 for all above including the workmanship incurred.


Modification done:
RRP Reinforced Fifth High Gear Kit (Replace original fifth gear. Lower 500RPM from original gear, less noisy at highway. Recommended if frequent highway drive.)
RRP Super ROM Version 2 ECU reflash (Eliminate throttle lag, stronger low and mid RPM performance, raise redline to 7800RPM. FC same. Definitely recommended!!)
Ultra Racing Front Strut Bar (Used, don't feel much different maybe because I'm not hardcore corner freak)


So if you decide to get one, there's a strong community on FB too. Parts are easy to get too. So worry not. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 11 2018, 04:40 PM

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Good write up. I had one few years back and it was auto. the SSS is a totally different car from the normal swift and lives up to its reputation of being a Sport version from the swift stable. It is slick, responsive.
Looking at the list of mods done on your car, I would suggest that you add on a Monster Sport exhaust system for the car. It is not noisy and is comfortable for daily driving. Coupled with a good extractor/ header from RRP, you would gain at least an extra 3-4 horsepower as well as better torque and response.
I also would suggest that you stick with RON97 only as you would encounter mild to heavy knocking on the engine when you use Ron95.
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post Aug 11 2018, 10:15 PM

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I think I would leave the engine alone, just want a Tryforce air box to get that sweet intake noise. My Swift rear end feel not really handle well when sudden left right corner, not sure if it's the Kayaba not working well with the original sport spring...

Yup, stick to RON97 for the extra power.

This post has been edited by Kosumaledoko: Aug 11 2018, 10:16 PM
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post Aug 12 2018, 11:41 AM

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Nice write up! thumbsup.gif I also just bought a 2008 manual ZC31S a few weeks back for my son to learn driving. biggrin.gif We absolutely love it! I got the car in almost stock condition with only lowered using Eibach springs and 17' black Lenso rims with super thin 205/40/17 tires. I hate the rims/tire size combo coz the ride is damn harsh so within a few weeks I changed them to white 5Zigen 15x7 using Hankook V12 Evo 2 tires size 195/55/15. Now way much better as the ride is much more comfortable without sacrificing the handling and it accelerates even faster now due to less weight. IMHO it looks better too coz more proportional (small car matched with small rims) and more racing look (white rims on white car).

I also have remapped mine using RRP v2, agree that it's highly recommended as the torque response especially from low-mid rpm is much more punchy. I have mod my exhaust using 4-2-1 headers and Suzuki Sport rear muffler. Now the response is even more meaty with more top end while sounding sweet all the way! biggrin.gif

I also have tried ron 97 & 100 but currently I'm just filling it up with 95 and it still works fine, just a slightly less throttle response than 97 but not so noticeable and more importantly no knocking. Fuel consumption IMHO is excellent as I can still easily get 10-11km/ltr while driving aggressively most of the time. Last round I tried to drive smoother and more patient and able to get 12.4km/ltr, but for me it's hard to drive slowly with this car as I just feel I want to floor it all the time coz it's so fun! laugh.gif

What I love about this car:
1. Great, sharp handling with good steering feedback. The handling is surprisingly neutral for a FWD car that makes this car loves eating corners fast!
2. Good engine power for its' size, making it a true pocket rocket and can surprise those with bigger cars!
3. Nice manual gearbox with very short ratios and short throw action too, great for acceleration. Like you said the clutch pedal feel is also just nice.
4. Good fuel consumption.
5. Excellent front seats, hugging the body nicely almost as good as Recaros in Evos or WRXs but easier to live with.
6. Good pedal positioning/alignment.
7. Good brakes.
8. Rear folding seats to allow carrying larger stuff.
9. Last but not least 8 airbags for safety! No other cars in this class has as many airbags s this little baby.

What I think are not so good in this car (but nothing major):
1. Seating position just a bit high.
2. No auto up for driver's window.
3. It needs a 6th gear! laugh.gif That's why ZC32S has a 6th gear.
4. Even though the braking power is good enough but the brake pedal feel is on the soft side.
5. Also like your experience, it's slightly nervous at the rear but if this is the small price to pay for making it so neutral and well balanced during cornering then I'll gladly live with it! smile.gif
6. The turning radius is surprisingly wide for such small car! It's even wider than my other much longer cars! Feels almost like doing a U-turn in an Evo. laugh.gif
7. Rattling around the driver's side power window switches.
8. Seems to attract other small cars like Myvi and Ford Fiesta S to cucuk from behind to try test you! laugh.gif

For further upgrades, later today I want to install coil on plug for every cylinder to make a bit more power/improve response, plus a drop-in after market air filter. Also considering to upgrade the brakes maybe with a 2 pot caliper and later better performance pads once the current pads finished. I'm not considering to install any chassis stiffening bars yet since I think the chassis is stiff and sweet handling enough for now.

As for repairs, I haven't done much yet since I just got the car and so far don't see much issues as the car is running beautifully. Planning to bring it to check the engine mountings and suspension bushings, and replace the cam cover gasket coz got some oil leaks there.

Btw where do you get the RRP 5th gear ratio replacement? How much does it cost? Where do you bring your car to service/repair? I'm thinking to bring mine to Stephen Loh at Fine Works Garage.

This post has been edited by 6UE5T: Sep 12 2018, 12:39 AM
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post Aug 12 2018, 11:45 AM

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Excellent write up! I came very close to buying this a few years back. Glad that you are enjoying this thoroughly smile.gif
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post Aug 12 2018, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 12 2018, 11:41 AM)
Nice write up!  thumbsup.gif  I also just bought a 2008 manual ZC31S a few weeks back for my son to learn driving.  biggrin.gif  We absolutely love it!  I got the car in almost stock condition with only lowered using Eibach springs and 17' black Lenso rims with super thin 205/40/17 tires. I hate the rims/tire size combo coz the ride is damn harsh so within a few weeks I changed them to white 5Zigen 15x7 using Hankook V12 Evo 2 tires size 195/55/15. Now way much better as the ride is much more comfortable without sacrificing the handling and it accelerates even faster now due to less weight. IMHO it looks better too coz more proportional (small car matched with small rims) and more racing look (white rims on white car).

I also have remapped mine using RRP v2, agree that it's highly recommended as the torque response especially from low-mid rpm is much more punchy. I have mod my exhaust using 4-2-1 headers and Suzuki Sport rear muffler. Now the response is even more meaty with more top end while sounding sweet all the way!  biggrin.gif

I also have tried ron 97 & 100 but currently I'm just filling it up with 95 and it still works fine, just a slightly less throttle response than 97 but not so noticeable and more importantly no knocking. Fuel consumption IMHO is excellent as I can still easily get 10-11km/ltr while driving aggressively most of the time. Last round I tried to drive smoother and more patient and able to get 12.4km/ltr, but for me it's hard to drive slowly with this car as I just feel I want to floor it all the time coz it's so fun!  laugh.gif 

What I love about this car:
1. Great, sharp handling with good steering feedback. The handling is surprisingly neutral for a FWD car that makes this car loves eating corners fast!
2. Good engine power for its' size, making it a true pocket rocket and can surprise those with bigger cars!
3. Nice manual gearbox with very short ratios and short throw action too, great for acceleration. Like you said the clutch pedal feel is also just nice.
4. Good fuel consumption.
5. Excellent front seats, hugging the body nicely almost as good as Recaros in Evos or WRXs but easier to live with.
6. Good pedal positioning/alignment.
7. Good brakes.
8. Rear folding seats to allow carrying larger stuff.
9. Last but not least 8 airbags for safety! No other cars in this class has as many airbags s this little baby.

What I think are not so good in this car (but nothing major):
1. Seating position just a bit high.
2. No auto down for driver's window.
3. It needs a 6th gear!  laugh.gif  That's why ZC32S has a 6th gear.
4. Even though the braking power is good enough but the brake pedal feel is on the soft side.
5. Also like your experience, it's slightly nervous at the rear but if this is the small price to pay for making it so neutral and well balanced during cornering then I'll gladly live with it!  smile.gif
6. The turning radius is surprisingly wide for such small car! It's even wider than my other much longer cars! Feels almost like doing a U-turn in an Evo.  laugh.gif
7. Rattling around the driver's side power window switches.
8. Seems to attract other small cars like Myvi and Ford Fiesta S to cucuk from behind to try test you!  laugh.gif

For further upgrades, later today I want to install coil on plug for every cylinder to make a bit more power/improve response, plus a drop-in after market air filter. Also considering to upgrade the brakes maybe with a 2 pot caliper and later better performance pads once the current pads finished. I'm not considering to install any chassis stiffening bars yet since I think the chassis is stiff and sweet handling enough for now.

As for repairs, I haven't done much yet since I just got the car and so far don't see much issues as the car is running beautifully. Planning to bring it to check the engine mountings and suspension bushings, and replace the cam cover gasket coz got some oil leaks there.

Btw where do you get the RRP 5th gear ratio replacement? How much does it cost? Where do you bring your car to service/repair? I'm thinking to bring mine to Stephen Loh at Fine Works Garage.
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First car for your son is a ZC31S?! I'm sure he's going to drive it fast and furious, might be headache for you later! Haha!

Yup I agreed with those drawback. Especially tall seating position and wide turning circle!! There is a lowered stock seat mount from RRP too, but I think they no longer have any stock left.

I got the RRP 5th gear from Kegani Racing, they are the official dealer of RRP stuffs in MY. Got it plus installation for about RM16XX. But I think there are cheaper used unit from some garage specialized in Swift, look them up on FB or Mudah.

I did my major repair at Genuine Auto Service in Kajang, the mechanic used to work at Suzuki MY service center. Experienced and friendly, look him up in FB by "CWTan Wing".

By the way, how much you paid for the 5Zigen 15x7 ?


RRP goodies!! RRP Website

This post has been edited by Kosumaledoko: Aug 12 2018, 02:10 PM
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post Aug 12 2018, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(Kosumaledoko @ Aug 12 2018, 01:11 PM)
First car for your son is a ZC31S?! I'm sure he's going to drive it fast and furious, might be headache for you later! Haha!

Yup I agreed with those drawback. Especially tall seating position and wide turning circle!! There is a lowered stock seat mount from RRP too, but I think they no longer have any stock left.

I got the RRP 5th gear from Kegani Racing, they are the official dealer of RRP stuffs in MY. Got it plus installation for about RM16XX. But I think there are cheaper used unit from some garage specialized in Swift, look them up on FB or Mudah.

I did my major repair at Genuine Auto Service in Kajang, the mechanic used to work at Suzuki MY service center. Experienced and friendly, look him up in FB by "CWTan Wing".

By the way, how much you paid for the 5Zigen 15x7 ?
RRP goodies!! RRP Website
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Yeah I have not much choice, because I want a small but cool, fun manual Japanese car with the most airbags which is within my budget of rm30k which he will also like so that's the only option. I also don't feel like buying just any junk of a car (even though that might be easier) for him coz I also want him to like the car so he'll take care of it. So yeah, that's how we ended up buying this car.

Oh that guy, yeah I saw his posts a lot in FB. Hmm Kajang a bit too far for me.

I paid rm900 for the rims. Not cheap but quite desperate since it's difficult to find original rims for 15x7 or 15x6.5 with 5x114.3 PCD. Was considering to just put back the stock 16' rims but the 195/50/16 tire size is not much choice for good UHP tires and much more expensive too.

Thx for the info on Kegani Racing & RRP, will try to check out.
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Sweet ride. Makes me want to buy one as well. Good car to play around with.
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 12 2018, 10:53 PM)
Yeah I have not much choice, because I want a small but cool, fun manual Japanese car with the most airbags which is within my budget of rm30k which he will also like so that's the only option. I also don't feel like buying just any junk of a car (even though that might be easier) for him coz I also want him to like the car so he'll take care of it. So yeah, that's how we ended up buying this car.

Oh that guy, yeah I saw his posts a lot in FB. Hmm Kajang a bit too far for me.

I paid rm900 for the rims. Not cheap but quite desperate since it's difficult to find original rims for 15x7 or 15x6.5 with 5x114.3 PCD. Was considering to just put back the stock 16' rims but the 195/50/16 tire size is not much choice for good UHP tires and much more expensive too.

Thx for the info on Kegani Racing & RRP, will try to check out.
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I've been thinking of getting an 15 inch too. Better tire choice and while the original 16 inch looks cool, it's a pain to clean it as it has so many spoke.

Looking for something like TE37, but the price is 2 to 3K. . . Too expensive.

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post Aug 13 2018, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(killerpigglet @ Aug 12 2018, 11:52 PM)
Sweet ride. Makes me want to buy one as well. Good car to play around with.
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Definitely can consider one. It's fun to drive and still practical to boot. Personally, I think it's better looking than the latter ZC32S too. It has better proportioned design.
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How is ZC31S if compared to Iriz 1.6 manual?
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post Aug 13 2018, 11:31 AM

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I've only briefly tested the Iriz 1.3 manual, don't like the shifter feel and long shift throw.

If compare spec to spec for 1.6. The Iriz engine is tune for good torque (150Nm at 4000rpm vs ZC31S 148Nm at 4800rpm), rather than top power like the 1.6 in ZC31S. So the Iriz 1.6 should be good to drive in stop go. But high rev ZC31S more power (125HP vs 107HP in Iriz 1.6)

But the Iriz 1.6 is about 100kg heavier than ZC31S (about 1080kg), surely will affect its handling. But I think that's because it is bigger than ZC31S, hence should be more comfortable too.

Lastly, Iriz 1.6 manual is a rare beast, Proton only produce it in small number and no longer build them. Can find a few of them pop up for sell on Mudah.
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QUOTE(Kosumaledoko @ Aug 13 2018, 09:03 AM)
I've been thinking of getting an 15 inch too. Better tire choice and while the original 16 inch looks cool, it's a pain to clean it as it has so many spoke.

Looking for something like TE37, but the price is 2 to 3K. . . Too expensive.
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Yup the 16' tire size is very difficult/limited choices and much more expensive, plus the stock rims is a bit narrow at 6.5j with only 50 offset.

My 5Zigen is also a 6 spoke design similar to TE37 but normal cast rims so the weight is also normal only, not lightweight.
There's a 5 spoke black Lenso on sale now in King Of Rims, size 15x7 offset 35 which is perfect, asking rm1280 brand new.
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QUOTE(Kosumaledoko @ Aug 13 2018, 11:31 AM)
I've only briefly tested the Iriz 1.3 manual, don't like the shifter feel and long shift throw.

If compare spec to spec for 1.6. The Iriz engine is tune for good torque (150Nm at 4000rpm vs ZC31S 148Nm at 4800rpm), rather than top power like the 1.6 in ZC31S. So the Iriz 1.6 should be good to drive in stop go. But high rev ZC31S more power (125HP vs 107HP in Iriz 1.6)

But the Iriz 1.6 is about 100kg heavier than ZC31S (about 1080kg), surely will affect its handling. But I think that's because it is bigger than ZC31S, hence should be more comfortable too.

Lastly, Iriz 1.6 manual is a rare beast, Proton only produce it in small number and no longer build them. Can find a few of them pop up for sell on Mudah.
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If more torque but car heavier then it would be about similar pick up but again need to see the gear ratios. Our ZC31S has very short ratios that compensate for lower torque at the low-mid rpm, hence the pick up is also still pretty good. If Iriz has better engine torque but longer ratios and heavier then it may actually ends up not as responsive too.
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I think Iriz gearbox ratio usually are for leisure and economical driving, definitely not as aggressive as Swift Sport. I skip 4th gear sometime because the rpm diff is so little.

But car review did praise Iriz for its handling, so there goes.

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QUOTE(Kosumaledoko @ Aug 11 2018, 04:02 PM)

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Sounds so much fun, felt like kena poisoned....
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 14 2018, 01:08 AM)
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Just sharing from an owner's perspective. As not many people own this model, hard to get a real owner review.

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Aug 14 2018, 03:18 PM)
Sounds so much fun, felt like kena poisoned....
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It is that much fun! laugh.gif What surprised me the most after buying this car is the handling, didn't expect it to be as sharp and neutral. Then the response/acceleration is quick enough to surprise bigger cars. It basically lives up the term pocket rocket.

I've been driving it every day now while on certain days I teach my son to drive it. After driving my other AT car for so long, driving this manual SSS is really enjoyable for me and at least fulfills my craving to drive a manual car again. Now my other car is just sleeping for a over a month now! laugh.gif

QUOTE(Kosumaledoko @ Aug 14 2018, 11:10 PM)
Just sharing from an owner's perspective. As not many people own this model, hard to get a real owner review.
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It's becoming a very rare car also nowadays. So few manual cars available on sale. If you check in Mudah now, only 3 manual ZC31S on sale for the whole Malaysia! biggrin.gif Most people just prefer the normal ZC21 auto version. I'm glad that I have bought mine, especially at a price below rm30k.

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QUOTE(Kosumaledoko @ Aug 14 2018, 11:10 PM)
Just sharing from an owner's perspective. As not many people own this model, hard to get a real owner review.
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Agreed.

As a matter of fact SSS was once under my consideration.
But it just felt like the car was just too small for someone like me being a bit on the plus size.

Ultimately it was entirely excluded because I set my focus on RWD

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