I've went to a shop to check some things out, and some brands he recommend are like kenwood,pioneer for head unit, rottweiler for speakers, amp shud be cyber scorpion....

something like that, so juz wanna check if these brands are dependable

anyway its for my friends' waja and my iswara.......so some advice would be advisable.

rottweiler is just some soso not branded brand, quite old school...while cyber scorpion confirm is chap ayam..

so not recommended to take??

tumpang abit ><

how bout pegasus and directed?

highly recomended for pegasus and directed.. (pegasus to some1 might b a chap ayam but blif me tat the price tat u pay will get more than it is worth.. )

and for the topic starter... juz don think of those brand larh... how much do u budget for ICE? if u haf tight budget, plz start wif something fundamental first such as a good head unit... n who knows if u r having a good 1 enuff..

ermm actually i'm not so tight but i dont wanna spend 3-4k on the 1st time, wat i planned is a good head unit and follow by the rest, because in my opinion, the headunit, i wont change for long long long time unless its spoilt, as for the rest, if its not satisfying, i'll change when the time comes, anyway my budget is around 1500

RM1.5k can get a damn good system already... a set of comp. set + 4 channel amp. + 1 12" sub...

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Added on May 30, 2007, 4:03 amPegasus is chap ayam??? its from whr?


This post has been edited by Levin92: May 30 2007, 04:03 AM

can get dam good ??? how is dam good?

12" woofer + component set + 4 channel amp is call dam good?

rm1.5k can good damn good system? then those who spend rm5k+, what do u call them? super damnx100 good?

pegasus is from the same company of prokick... i guess pegasus is the high end stuff from them using better parts...

as for HU, i do recommend a HU wif 3 pairs of pre-out wif high voltage.. eg. 4v preout n above bcz it will b a basic thing that u'll need for an ICE setup..

Sorry for being noob.. y a head unit is important as a normal cd radio player will do the same.. i feel that if the head unit is lack power then i can add amp to boost it as long as the head unit can play the role. does it makes any different if a amp is added in

Well... think of a head unit as our brain.... the source of the music you are listening to... the source tht start out the first "music chain" to the last... if your head unit couldnt give the best definition out from a song... how will the sound be good when it is coming out form the speakers... well you can say every head unit is the same... spinning the CD and and giving out the music... basically yes but what a good HU do is giving out the most accurate signal out for the amp while discarding the unwanted "noise"... this is one thing which a low quality HU lacks... dun trust me or dun feel a different between a good head unit and a cheap one... try listening them through a good headphone... i am sure you will hear the difference...

adding an amp will surely give out a better SQ as there is more power for each speaker... pushing the speakers to the max potential both SQ and SPL... but if your source is not giving out a good signal then how your system is going to improve... think about yor amp is amplifiying the "noise" and your speaker is playing the "noise" louder... would tht be good? and think how will it affect your music in the end?

so is your HU the most important thing in your setup? i think mine is...

-end-

wat i mean is RM1.5k can get a damn good system compare with stock system la... price doesn't a main point... good tuning is a must...

stock system sure kaput laaa, comes with nothing, like my iswara, not even a CD player, dont say 1500, 800 also dam good, compare to stock adi

anyway some brands i went suryeying today

pegasus/eclipse/ameron/agako

correct... head unit is juz a player that plays CD... for normal ppl, they'll check the xxW rating and thats it..

but for real, each brand's cd player has its own characteristic... for eg. alpine has a high trebel character, eclipse has a clean/natural character n so as other brands.. so, this reli depends on the taste of the listener..

then, follow by the DAC (digital analogue converter).. 1 bit DAC n 24bit DAC.. they surely make a large difference..

if the cd player is good, the amplifier in the HU itself is good as well... such as my alpine 9815.. it performs well in my bro's myvi wif stock speakers.. a good HU will last u more than 5 yrs cz my dad's Alpine HU juz had its b'day last month and its 7yrs old edi...

so... the more u pay, the more u get.. durability and satisfaction is there..

in lowyat must use computer terms ><

so head unit = sound card in a computer...simple

wahhh alpine 9815 i'll wachaaa ur windows, and ngekk ngekk ngekk ur alpine /gg

9815 larhh... not 9855... muahaha

Thanks a lot i get wat u r trying to tell.. THanks again buddy!

Oh tumpang tanya. How to spot fake Pioneer HUs? I see some people selling in forums like very cheap... of course they have many reasons on why it's so cheap, but I'd like to know how to spot if they're fakes.

Thanks.

fake? cheap?

pioneer's HU considere aledi dam* cheap.. yet still haf imitation stuff? ha! ha!

pioneer has many series... which series do u refer to and the price u considere cheap as?

Cheap as compared to the market price, of course. Some things considered as dam* cheap to you may not be dam* cheap to others, all right? Let's say series 6 like DEH-6950, cheaper than market price by 20%+, what's the catch? Do you know or do you not know?

For imitation Pioneer HU, when you look on it quality of material, I think it can tell you the answer...!

well... most good HU doesnt has amp built in...

some ppl selling cheap coz of their selling 'water' set Pioneer HU...

errmm i was told a high series from alpine HU has amp build in, or is it pre amp, i forgot

Alpine headunit that u said high end ain't really high end at all if compared wid what craziechild. Those u saw is juz better than others at middle end.

Those high end stuffs r like alpine f1 unit will cost more than rm4k, mcintosh, pioneer p80, eclipse n etc...

Those shops selling so called high end is like 9855 n a model wid dvd player. They cost around rm2k at max....

That's call pure deck, HU without build in amp...
Need to buy a processor!

haha... use it wif flat settings onli... don need processor 1....

heheheheh

(but make sure u haf good ICE components.. )

p80 also 2K onli i think for pioneer hi end would be the ODR series

This post has been edited by ccc8910: Jun 5 2007, 02:36 PM

P80 not pure deck le...

ODR can say pure deck... need preamp le

lolz yeah p80 about 2k or so only.....of course they're others even more expensive, kekeke

so guys anyway i'm planning on the below settings, give some opinions pls

i'm getting ameron high end component set
eclipse 5100 HU
amp(brand undecided) but roughly aiming for 300-700

this is for initial cause low on budget but dont wanna regret getting anything yet.....so going slow and steady

HU: good choice... i like eclipse ever since i first auditted and comparing them to the other brands at similar price range...

as for component set... ameron... not familiar with it... but heard from word of mouth it was kinda bright... not so sure... anyway... whats your budget for your component set?

as for your amp... for tht budget, does it includes the wirings?... nothing comes into my mind other than second hand amps... if you are looking for good amps...

dun trust a second hand stuff? well you can power your component set through your HU first then adding amps when you have more budget...

hope this helps...

the head unit is OK edi.. but what is ur budget for the speakers? bcz u might able to get something better out of the budget for the speakers..

errr, so far i think not include wiring cause i'm getting amp from different place, HU from different place and component set frrom different place, hard to ask for include wiring right?? and for component set, the high range one is actually about 500+ but i could buy the same thing for 400+, and for amp, i'm really not sure which brand to take, sked later get amp which under power, kenot push then kelong! 2nd hand amp also i dont really mind, but have to be good la

you could get a decent amp with tht budget if your timing is right...

join mycarhifi.com, gr8tunes.net, or icehifi.com you will be suprised with the amount of choices there...

btw... there is a a/d/s component set on sell... a good option to consider if you are looking for decent SQ...

cheers...

Ameron >>> Local? cant get it from web...

errr those are malaysian websites?? i still not yet check but i will later when i feel better

ermm not sure if its local, but according to my fren, its quite good

the website i gave are local ICE forums...

yarhh.. there is some1 selling the a/d/s speakers in mycarhifi/gr8tunes... rm400 for that speakers... i think it darn worth... the person bought it from a trusted forummer (i guess @ rm800) when it was new and now he is selling for half of de price... it is a pair of good quality component speakers wif nice clean sound...

it is definately high recommended speakers if u don wanna spend much money on ICE for upgrading (unless u r poisoned wif ICE ) cz u r paying less but getting much more than it's worth..

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the model is not in there anymore but u can check out some of the great items they r offerin...


btw, craziechild, ameron is from the same group of companies wif prokick they all 1 de... local speakers

This post has been edited by mattchin: Jun 8 2007, 02:54 PM

aiya,,, the item u mentioned not there anymore??? i juz thought i wanna check it out

i thought it was pegasus? but not sure the origins... some say USA, some say europe, some say local...

afaik, prokick is the same as agako... not sure if they hav a link with ameron...

hi expert out there

1.)Currently im working out SQ setup for my ride.
For HU unit, im keen on Alpine set(the image look is better) compare to eclipse.
But for component set, i had look into Focal, Eton & RS....which will be good?
I had a test on Focal 165k2p with Xetec Pro2 Evo amp...its awesome & the clear kick bass...
How abt others combination like Eton & RS...i would really like to have a test hear on that setup...

2.) Beside that any guidelines that i can get a reasonable price for those good high end stuff. This becos i went thought my survey & some shops realy mark up so high.

3.) How to ensure i dont get imitation stuff
Alphine : WKH sticker
Focal : audio active
Steg: ????

4.) After surveying for months, this my targeting setup.Pls comment

HU:Alpine 9855
Mid spk: Focal 165k2p
Amp : Steg Qmos 120.2x

5.) can help to enlighten me more how to we chooes an amp spec?
As i seen amps with spec like 2x200W rms at 2 ohms, at 4 ohms, stereo...etcc

6.) what realy 24bit DAC converter needs or so called processor setup

1. which line of RS? personally tried RS micro, base, competition and signature series... i could say they all worth the price you pay... tweeter plays high but not piercing... quick mid responce and sweet lily chen's vocals... no input on eton though... havent any of those... as for focal personally dun like the tweeter... kinda piercing to me... but overall good set to consider... warm amp needed though...

2. guidelines would be join local ice forums... from there you could know roughly how much your stuff gonna cost before being chop by the dealers...

3. no idea for steg... sorry...

4. well... an old saying: "A man's meat is another's poison" but where is your sub? got plans to run active? if you do why not get a 4ch instead? but its up to you la... some passive setup sounds superb also...

5. look at the rms rating rather than the max power rating... most high end amps has a "birth sheet"... normally will look at the 4ohm rating as most car speakers are 4ohm... sub amp you will need to check whether its 2ohm mono stable or not if you are getting a 4+4ohm sub...

6. not really essential... some people like 1bit sound more than 24bit... some the other way round... but some CD will need a 24bit player to play its full details but playable through normal cd player too...

hope this helps...

hi bro

So i also have log into Icehifi & gr8tunes for knowledge. Does it okay to purchase high end stuff there. I mean like if i bought used an high end amp for my system, will it not perform at its good, this becos when an amp have been use long it will weaken the amps performance.HOw abt speakers components?As i was told high end speakers need to blast then only give out the optimum performance?
Hope u dun mind if im asking nuts question here.Im newbie.

well... you will hav to know what the previous owner is playing with their gears... if SQ kaki i doubt it will damage so fast la... as for amps like most electronics... it has a life cycle... but i believe good amps has a longer life as they are made of good components inside... plus some manufacturer gives out life-time warranty for factory defects... performance wise... doubt it will hav a huge degrade... if you are afraid of it... then find something tht are "young" same goes to speakers...

the "blasting" is call run-in... not actually must blast it... you can listen to normal songs... run-in periods varies from brand to brand... DLS recommend 25Hours of dynamic music... RS signature 90hours(if i remember correctly)... as for me... i frequently use pink noise for 24hours continuously... whether it gives a better performance depends on whehter you can hear the difference or not... for me... only heard the difference once on my previous tweeter...

cheers...

RS audio has awesome speakers... my dad is using RS Pro in his car wif eton amp.. great mid and clean vocal..

eton (entry level).. audited it once in sound quest (when they were still in cheras) hmmm mid bass is a lil bit lack..

focal (access) (b4 upgrade to alpine) high in trebel.. moderate mid...

your planned setup
HU:Alpine 9855
Mid spk: Focal 165k2p
Amp : Steg Qmos 120.2x

i would say it's great..

This post has been edited by mattchin: Jun 12 2007, 02:43 AM

how bout mine??

HU : Eclipse 3100/5100
Mid : Ameron high range de(they say only 2 range, high price and low price)
amp : Agako (thinking of 2/4 channel)

ermmm.. HU i think it's good enuff for a beginner.. and as for the ameron and agako.. it's good for guyz who juz stepped into ICE... (cz they r local made stuff as u don expect much out of it)

*different ppl different requirement... so can't say much..

Your ICE already installed liao?
Your budget?

Try not using Ameron + Agako !


PS : Agako was my nightmare...!

morally support you to get eclipse 5100... heheh,,,

not yet, still planning only, sure or not agako nightmare?? u get which 1 de??

budget for which? both?? i was planning somewhere around 400+ for mid and 400-600 for amp

lolz not financially?? hope my wallet able to support me by that time lo kekeke


meaning the agako/ameron things are not so recommended???

Since you plan to install Eclipse 5100, so you have to buy a same level stuft to match it..If not waste your 5100 le...take Agako / Ameron may waste ur 5100 performance

Agako can't go for SQ, not clean & clear, not warm + not dynamic... it just janji ada sound (JAS) only! I only use few months then sold liao

totally agree... some people call it level matching i guess... me think... at least an alpine 545+alpine type-x... hehe... dunno bout the others though... hehe....

hmm if thats so, maybe i shud downgrade my HU (lol) or maybe like u said, get a better amp/component set,

anyway any recommendation/price to match the HU? wat if i get 3100 instead?

Budget for all stuft please....

load it heavy in ur HU then it is ready for anything better in the future... if u haf better spks o amps, then it will not match...

put down ur budget and the sifuz here will help u to design... muahaha

Ya..
Matt Chin ko ko will right here for help...

eh...

i thought u will..

hahaha

apparently that was my 1st plan, but ppl say it will waste the HU, so i thought of downgrading lo... kekeke

anyway below would be my budget 1st

HU = RM400-600+-
Component = RM400 + -
Amp = RM500 + -

u can put the most into ur HU... those no PRO, don listen tat much larh cz those accessory shopz onli wanna earn ur money..

as for component spks, i saw some1 in the garage sales; automotive section there is some1 selling pegasus... i recommend pegasus bcz u can get the most from the amount u r paying..

as for amp, i hope u can budget more.. if can't, then use ur HU to run it 1st.. n i hope u can budget at least rm1k for a 4-channel amp.. then u can use 2 channels for ur front component and the other 2 for ur woofer (if u plan to haf 1)

this sort of setup will do u very good rather than further change this n tat later.. i hope u guyz don think that i'm a silly guy n blow water here n there...

i juz don 1 u guyz 2 waste all ur hard earn money 2 those accessory fellars.. ending up u drive a rm50k car and they r driving few hundred thousand car... i've paid more than rm10k for all the ICE lessons...

For ur tight budget.. I cant introduce u good stuft....

Maybe

HU = 1K
Component = 1K
Amp = 1.5k (or 2nd hand)

hmm, no prob, thanks for ur advice, i'll see wat i can do......

wahhh, okay give me ur suggestion for ur kind of budget

Sorry for asking a noob question... Coz im new to ice...
What's the difference between component speakers, mid-bass and 6x9?

component haf
2 x tweeters
2 x mids
2 x crossovers
(focuses on both high n mid sound)

midbass
available in sizes of 5.25"/6"/7"
(focuses on mid sound)

6x9
normally put at rear

This post has been edited by mattchin: Jul 4 2007, 12:19 AM

Means that if i get a component speaker then i don't have to get separate tweeters? Why does it come in pairs? One for left and another for right?
And in some of my frends' cars i see they installed tweeters on the A-pillar. Does this mean that they have midbass speakers, then installed tweeters separately?
Am i right in saying that midbass + tweeters = component?

Sorry again for asking such basic questions.