So recently i got an offer to study dentistry at UiTM. At first i was so happy but after doing an extensive research, i got so depressed and sad because many people say UiTM graduates are incompetent. Although i think that is somewhat true, does that also apply to medical and dental students from UiTM? Does anyone know someone or have work with UiTM dental student? And since most companies nowadays value experience so much, do guys think i have a better chance to work in a private sector after a few years working under government?

Im also planning to continue my study at UM(oral&maxillofacial surgery) but i just dont know when. Do you guys think i should continue my study first or get job experience first?

Any advice is highly appreciated.

Keep UiTM as the absolute last resort. Ifnu have better option, avoid UiTM at all cost

idk

Some UiTM students are incompetent not because of the lecturers, but because of their tongkat mentality. The Dean’s list students are mostly as competent as other local uni grads.

If you think you are a lazyass student, then you might be part of the incompetent grad. Tepuk dada tanya diri sendiri.

This post has been edited by blanket84: Aug 7 2018, 10:23 PM

Certain faculties in UiTM are not bad and they admit good bumi students

I duno but with all those racist stuff..good also have limit.

uitm?

better learn from utube on how yo become dentist

this is /k.. uitm is not a choice

Come here ask about uitm, can only get one answer lah....lol

Perhaps more to the point....what is your qualification?....

The quality of an institution correlates best with the quality of students it admits....

If you got rubbish results and can still get admitted, it answers your question.....

UiTM is okay. Just go and score

But in /k/ all wil say shit to utim.

ts ask wrong thread.. hahahahahah

Funny thing. I've worked with UM grads and they're not as skilled as I've expected them to be.

If wanna ask about who's brighter, I'd rather give it to USM dental grads.

The local BDS syllabus are obsolete anyways.

To answer TS, doesn't matter which uni u go to. After your graduation straight sit for RCS examination. If you pass, you're probably just as good (in theory and patient management) as anyone else who says your uni suck. Keep doing continuous learning and you'll be good.

This post has been edited by citacitata: Aug 7 2018, 10:59 PM

i got 6 a's in spm, then proceed to foundation in science in uitm also, got 4.0 and muet band 3( yeah i know its bad)

i should have known that. as far as im concerned, there only 12 dental school and only 6 of them are pub uni. But since my muet is band 3, i only had 4 choices. i didnt remember why i didnt choose uia and usim. i put ukm on 2nd choice in my upu list because i thought im never going to get into ukm since its very limited (50-55)

other than being active in extracurricular and getting good result, what other thing should i do to be as competent as possible? im also thinking retaking muet test since i only got band 3

The way SPM is nowadays....don't get 8a, including at least half a+..... considered average result.....

But Malaysia boleh, so many will eventually get 4.0 in some foundation....

But still well above MMC/MDC minimum requirement.... people with the minimum 5b and CGPA 3.0 also get in ....you can imagine the standard of the unis admitting them....lol

No need....muet requirement in msia is a joke....just sit and get band 1 also can graduate....

Medical and such are exception.

really? i dont think students with bad results can get there. most of other students got interviewed there were mostly with cgpa 4.0 and there was even students from pasum. out of 400 students got called to interviewed, only 80 students will be enrolled( yeah i know the acceptance rate is a bit higher than other pub uni, but still)

hopefully

really? in what dental school i can graduate with just band 1 muet?

But still got offer with band 3? I thought professional courses like medic, pharmacist and such must at least band 4.

if you want cheap, go there

yeah, i dont like those stuff too and i also believe that uitm should be open for all malaysians. I dont understand why most people getting mad that uitm should have been for everyone, if youre incompetent enough, you shouldnt attending dental school in the first place or any uni in the first place.

Don't think it does matter which uni you grad from already, as long as you are accepted and grad due to merits

A lot of ppl probably will look down on uitm grads as there is impression that students there are accepted because of quota and privilege plus some of the bad apple grads giving bad name when they are in the workforce make it more worse and there goes uitm name down the drain happened to all other higher learning institution not just uitm

Even private also ppl have impression you are in and grad because ada $$$$

It all goes down how you sell yourself during interview for a job

ukm( and most uni except usm and um) only need band 3 muet for dentistry, but i didnt go to the iv.

what courses?

no one wants to be treated by self-employed dr.

Each uni has its own rule....for critical courses like medicine and dentistry, they normally require band 3....some higher....other courses, band 1 cukup....

MMC/MDC...lol

so you only go to hospitals is it? do you know those small shoplots clinics and dental clinics are owned by SELF-EMPLOYED doctors and dentists. Heck, even vets also self employed.

Self employed means open own business ok. Bukan learn from youtube. get your english check.

This post has been edited by tupai: Aug 8 2018, 12:35 AM

uitm is the best mang! congrats! very good school... study hard... wish you all the best!

TS, uitm engineering, medical and dentistry schools are good. These faculties their syllabus are controlled by BEM and MMC respectively. You can't enter with substandard results. Once graduated and done compulsory government service then you can take professional or specialist exam

Oh shoot, my mistake.

Well, i ive never heard someone with 5bs and 3.0 cgpa got into "MMC/MDC". Even if those are the requirements, you still need to compete with students to get a very limited place.

I should have said self-taught instead. Dont marah, im a newbie

what on earth... I know that for law courses, public uni requires at least band 4. How the heck is the requirement for law exceeds dentistry/meds??

Yours truly,
Somebody with muet band 5

Isnt uni a school anyway...

Yeah i idk, even UiTM min requirement is band 4 for law.

nah, for girls you need 4.0 cgpa. boys may get away wtith 3.8 or 3.85 plus active involvement in student bodies. (actively involve with other student's body is not counted )

not marah, just can't resist trolling

tbh uitm is not that bad. but the racism roots of the uni and favor bumiputera only is what makes it looks bad.

many petronas and shell engineers graduated from UITM and they earn very good money. im sure UITM medical field are good too.

you are interested in medical / dental field right?

ive heard and read somewhere the best country to venture into these fields are India and Indonesia. These 2 countries produce the best world class doctors / dentists.

Thanks for the recomendation, but too bad i already accepted the offer. The best thing i can do right now is to be as competent af.

Hi, UiTM dental graduate here. I found some of the replies highly undermined us UiTM & other Msian uni dental graduates and some not even answering the question at all. It is understandable that UiTM will always be under a national stigma but I'm not here to fight an endless war. Before going forth to answer your question, I'd like to clarify my position- I've had the experience of being a dental student in Indonesia & later transferred to UiTM, and graduated.

1. I take it that you're in our most recent batch, 2018? Congratulations for passing the interview. However I would like to express my disappointment to hear that you're depressed for getting in UiTM after you heard 'everyone' said UiTM graduates are incompetent. First, those 'everyone' that you speak of, have they had any dental background & maybe experience of a dental student/practitioner themselves? It is highly biased to you know, for example listen to a lawyer or a businessman to decide on the competency of a dental graduate. Second; you're losing sight of your objective here. You're very much concerned about whether you'll come out being incompetent in UiTM as 'everyone' else said. Don't think too highly of yourself. Are you competent enough to be in a dental faculty is the supposed question. I'll have you know that being in our faculty requires not little but persistent, constant drive to succeed. There's going to be a humongous amount of requirements for you to complete, competency tests in every semester to pass, annual Professional exams and a lot of tough supervisors/lecturers to handle. Think this is a walk in a park? Think again. Lots of students are held back every year for taking this course lightly. Dental faculties in any university is considered to be the hardest to graduate from. Even medicine doesn't have this much of requirement to pass. I have nothing to gain from praising the UiTM dental faculty- but being a dental student in two countries (Indo & Malaysia), the Msian dental faculty has lots more requirement & opportunities compared to Indo.

2. In UiTM you are trained to do various requirements. For example the root canal treatment in molars is known as specialty level in Indonesia & some other countries, but in UiTM it is compulsory to complete the case. For dentures, you'll need to complete 8 units (complete, partial acrylic & cobalt chrome) and most of the time, to pass the competency test you'll complete more than 8. Don't even get me started on fixed prosthodontic requirements. Oral surgery is definitely not easy- the department has very strict and no-nonsense supervisors who aren't afraid to call you out on your extractions & minor oral surgery (yes, there's going to be a time you'll perform a surgery yourself without a supervisor). You'll get less than 3 years to finish all requirements and pass all competencies. And I think its the more or less the same in other dental faculties in Malaysia. So far as I've been briefed by our external colleagues, the dental graduates in UiTM and other public universities (UM, UKM etc) are performing exemplary results in private or public sector. I guess all we can do is to continue keeping up the good work our predecessors have put forth and not be the first to blunder.

3. Regarding your plan to continue a specialty in OMFS in UM, finish your dental degree first. Build a network with oral surgeons. Can't say much if you haven't even finish the degree yet.

If you think being in UiTM will be such a problem for the sake to keep up appearances because its *UiTM*, I suggest you rethink your decision. Us dentists here aren't interested in fame & glory. We would care less what uni you're from if you've performed a great job. Any university you enter, be it Harvard or UiTM, if you're incompetent- you are at fault for being incompetent. That is what our UiTM supervisors/lecturers have cautioned us: We need to perform the best we can and serve the public, eventhough there will always be shallow-minded people who never even performed an endo molar or an extraction would talk like they know shit. I have no interest in holding up the national stigma of UiTM but us UiTM dental graduates will continue to serve the public the best we can- irregardless of what the public thinks of us.

Hi OP, I'm among one of the graduates from UiTM Faculty of Dentistry, here is my experience;

When I was learning in UiTM I am not the cream of the class, i am not the brightest guy through out my batch and truth be told never achieve anything throught out my 5 years of learning there. And I thought I will end up as a flop when I enter my FYDO programme 4 years ago. But somehow during my FYDO-ship I learned that graduates from BDS/DDS overseas are performing a lot worse than me (In theory yes they are good, but what they lack is hands on skills and exposure in treating patients). And I learned that how you benefit, use, and utilise what you learn regardless of the universities will actually determine how will you succeed in your future endeavors.

Once you enter UiTM FoD, you will be shaped and molded according to what the Malaysian Hospitals and Dental Clinic requires you. To make you feel better, most of the lecturers there are graduated from what people called as "Malaysian Ivy League Universities" UM, UKM, USM not to mention that a bunch of them further their studies overseas like in UK, Australia and NZ which considered as the best Dental Faculties in whole wide world.

Adding what aainaaqila had told you, apart from the requirement and scary OS lecturers... you will also need to do tonnes of presentation, endure boring session of discussion in Problem Based Learning, do Community Dental Work, learning how to converse in Mandarin, Entrepreneurship and tonnes of stuff

If you still not convinced enough, just try..You can always quit midway and try other public/private universities.

Owh another thing to add; You mentioned that you are interested to further your studies in OMFS, Its a good choice and a tough one too, you need to finish your BDS, I strongly suggest you to show your interest in OMFS during your FYDO, gain experience a year or two, take your Basic Medical Science examination or MJDF Part 1 paper and apply

Anyway.... You can pm me and I am more than happy to share you my experience there

"Cheers"

This post has been edited by nukeblitz: Aug 9 2018, 11:00 PM

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This post has been edited by MHWorld: Aug 10 2018, 01:09 AM

owowowowowowow, i never expected this and i thought this thread is already dead. Give me some times and i will surely reply later, cheers!!

I pls u la TS. Don't. Got too many dentists. Go PJ one row of shop easily got 3/4 dental clinic.

This post has been edited by mooney: Aug 11 2018, 06:35 PM

Wow, thanks for the reply. You've have made feel much better, i cant stop thinking about this "problem" since the last time i posted this thread. I also found that dental school of UiTM is at tier 4 rated by D-SETARA. Sorry for the late reply.

wowow what is TS and PJ. Sorry i iz stupid

or just dont compare...

Tbh, i never had a problem becoming a UiTM students( I came from UiTM dengkil lol). It is just im afraid that some employers will avoid us, something that we can't control.

I heard many people say Indonesia produces many good dental students. But whatever, i hope UiTM will continue to improve their education system. Btw, dental school of UiTM is rated at tier 4 by D-SETARA, just like USM AND UKM( except UM, they are at tier 5). Dental school of UiTM is quite new anyway (12 years old) compared to top public universities in Malaysia ( atleat 20 years old), so give UiTM some times.

If you worry that much... then don't work with such employers... I have lots of friends from UiTM working... heard non being jobless... some of them working in big companies.

If the employers don't choose you because of that criteria... I don't think that is a criteria of a good employer...

If you afraid much... build your experience although with small company... big shots will hire you when you have enuf experience and you know how to sell yourself.

When you have experience, ppl don't see your highest education anymore.

This post has been edited by exkaizen: Aug 11 2018, 07:16 PM

Just relax, why bother listen to people in kopitiam? I used to think that way as well when i was a student but it just stupid bs bcos currently i have no problem getting jobs in big companies and my salary is pretty high. Heck i was even called for interview from phillip morris, so dont worry about employer throwing away resume with uitm names on it.

People are dumb to think all uitm student are useless and people from oversea grad/private college are the best bcos they’re not.

YESS, thats what im planning to do. I want to work under government for atleast 3 years, then move to private sector.

why bother listen to kopitiam? Because i just wanted to know their opinion and im actually new here. Lol, I dint know what i was getting myself into.

Btw, what do you do right now?

Did u know the founding dean is from UM? U should be grateful to be accepted into this young and progressive faculty.
If u dont have the ‘jatidiri’ then just go elsewhere, i suggest MSU in shah alam, hahahahahahahhahahaha

yes i know he is from UM, but i never said i wasnt grateful though. IPTS? now way.

Then what’s the problem u asking about whether uitm is any good in the first place?? To be competent is not solely dependent on the university, its ur effort as a student to be competent. The university can trained u to be competent, but if u r not competent, its not the university’s fault. It is solely because of urself.. so the important is not to blamed others for your own fault.. lastly, all the best in becoming a dental student..

Because i heard from other people said that UiTM students are not competent and i just want to know what other people will say about it( i already knew from the start that wasnt necessarily true).
I know where I study does not determine my competency, it all depends on myself. However, the stereotype still exists and probably still gonna be around for a long time, i just hope that the stereotype is not going to hurt my job application. TY