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 Eco Grandeur (VERSION 3A), Norton Garden,the enchanting garden inEG

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post Dec 18 2018, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Dec 18 2018, 10:40 AM)
just like how u are almost sold to their Eco Sanctuary in TPG.... a luxury heaven on a secluded planet....  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Thats why dun bring credit card cheque book and wifey to es or ea. Need to go back home and take a cold shower and keep repeating it was a setup for failure. Slept over it and you should be good

And never ever take home set of brochure or take pixs of the show houses and etc

Imo eco sanc is their best efforts. Really like live in haven. Bcos they have the land n space to create a sanctuary. Seeiously dpc is nothing compared to eco sanc...project vs project

Next good one is eco ardence. Very beautiful as well

Both will create severe driving fatigue. I value myself more...therefore rather hole up in pigeon hole.
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post Dec 18 2018, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(ameer1988 @ Dec 18 2018, 02:11 PM)
what is DPC? what is TPG? noobmafaka
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Desa park city

Tanjung perlima garam (speeling likely wrong)
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post Dec 19 2018, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(MyRedz @ Dec 19 2018, 02:29 AM)
hello.! any available auction units/loan reject unit for  avenham type C
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Loan reject unit or unit returned to developer for watever reasons, you need to check w developer from time to time or register w them. But this wont be below developers spa price.

Bank auction units only available, if any 6 mths after vp...or thereabout.

Am sure askar perang is more than too happy to snnouce here...
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post Dec 23 2018, 09:13 AM

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exterior façade very plain actually. monotone somemore, and few hundred units of them.
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post Dec 23 2018, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(Leongdeikun @ Dec 23 2018, 12:31 PM)
gain what u pay lo...the price for graham compared with other ew scheme consider very cheap de..
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how can you compared like that...…

land cost n title of land n master plans all different.
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post Jan 10 2019, 04:19 PM

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so this graham was sold for just under 500k for bumi lots?????

20x65???????

the pseudo smd design has taken much of the valuable space for house this size.....
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post Jan 10 2019, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(kungpaochicken @ Jan 10 2019, 08:53 PM)
Taikor, it is bumiputra discount, not bumi lot if I remember correctly.. 1st phase below 500k skrg 600 lebih
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Hello are you alright taiko????

Tis is lishold project.....bumi lots with discount.

Bumi discount only applicable to freehold properties.

Sekarang 600 lebih is more like got price, market not tested yet . ....
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post Jan 11 2019, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jan 11 2019, 09:07 AM)
Meaning, it's converted or registered as Bumi Lot and can only be sold to Bumi buyer? Or if wants to see to non-bumi, then must seek permission from the authorities first? Is it this type of purchase? I ask cuz he was informed otherwise and docs doesn't show any such restrictions. As far as I could tell back then. Matter of fact, his input about the place and decision to buy also helped in our comparisons of other projects before settling.
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bumi discount is a given, doesn't matter if its freehold or leasehold, as long as bumi bought it and its still within quota. different developers classified or treated 'bumi' differently, this is another topic altogether,

for leasehold property, bumi buyers are buying bumi LOT, which is allocated to them 30 to 50% depends on development. Bumi lot already have discounted factor into price and its a restricted purchase as bumi lot can ONLY BE transferred to BUMI upon VPed and subsale. The later part is beyond the control of developer. its strictly with the discretion of state gov.

in general, once its sold to bumi as bumi lot, there is no chance to resell to non bumi, except the property is under lelong [conditions applied], or buyer made many appeals to state gov which generally take months or years for state gov to approve your appeal...…..IF they do allowed conversion to non bumi.

whereas for freehold properties, there is no such thing as bumi lot. all lots are free agent. when bumi buy, they will get bumi discount, that's all.. and its free for bumi to sell to anyone or any buyers can freely buy.

do note that some nasty state gov MAY convert the said lot to BUMI only if subsale BUYER is bumi (again) and if the state gov wishes to manage quota in such development......rare but it happens,

I stand corrected......maybe a bumi can explain better.
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post Jan 11 2019, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jan 11 2019, 09:07 AM)
Meaning, it's converted or registered as Bumi Lot and can only be sold to Bumi buyer? Or if wants to see to non-bumi, then must seek permission from the authorities first? Is it this type of purchase? I ask cuz he was informed otherwise and docs doesn't show any such restrictions. As far as I could tell back then. Matter of fact, his input about the place and decision to buy also helped in our comparisons of other projects before settling.
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bcos you haven't seen the land title after MOT, yet.

now title is under master.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jan 11 2019, 05:22 PM)
Oh I see, so have to wait until after MOT to find out.. That's weirdly strange and unfair. Cuz say there are more than the 30-50%, who gets to decide and what criteria is used to categorize which should be marked and which unmarked? I mean, if during the sale, it's clearly marked (as it should and as per bold part)..maybe for some added discounts or free stuff, then it's fair.. Else, just waiting till then to find is sounds to me like some switch and bait tactic. Thanks though..
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No....

Rule is rule....lishold bumi lot will be bumi lot forever....

But if you still in denial, then you need to wait for title issue...thats what i was saying..
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QUOTE(skincladalien @ Jan 11 2019, 08:11 PM)
interesting. so my neighbor who bought the unit with bumi discount, that unit will be bumi lot?
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Yr neigbour bought the bumi lot, not discount....


Boy oh boy....no wonder EG can achieve high take up rate...apparently many dont know the different btw bumi lots and bumi discount and the consequences of it.....
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post Jan 11 2019, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jan 11 2019, 10:15 PM)
Relax dude... Don't know why some in this prop section are so easily riled about stuffs they shouldn't be. I'm not even local and trying to understand how such a system exists. Where I'm from.. Ain't nobody got time for such rulings. All free to buy and sell at will. Only extensive modifications to one's home or land, that requires government approval. Which makes sense, can't simply convert a home in a residential neighborhood into an industrial factory and inconvenience others. That sort of thing.

Another thing I was pointing out in which you sorta glossed over.. is that, say the Quota is 30% and 60% buyers are bumi.. So you telling me that all 60% MUST be registered as bumi lots? Just trying to get a clearer picture to advise my pal and others so they don't think otherwise. Nothing to do about being in denial..
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1st of all you should declare that you are not local

2nd if you are not local, how you managed to get a landed property below 1mil is beyond me, unless you are using a citizen name to buy.

3rd sometimes i dun understand if you are asking a question or just your sarcastic remark. For this i aplogise....bcos there are many sarcastic members here bcos they think they know everything
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post Jan 11 2019, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jan 11 2019, 10:15 PM)
Relax dude... Don't know why some in this prop section are so easily riled about stuffs they shouldn't be. I'm not even local and trying to understand how such a system exists. Where I'm from.. Ain't nobody got time for such rulings. All free to buy and sell at will. Only extensive modifications to one's home or land, that requires government approval. Which makes sense, can't simply convert a home in a residential neighborhood into an industrial factory and inconvenience others. That sort of thing.

Another thing I was pointing out in which you sorta glossed over.. is that, say the Quota is 30% and 60% buyers are bumi.. So you telling me that all 60% MUST be registered as bumi lots? Just trying to get a clearer picture to advise my pal and others so they don't think otherwise. Nothing to do about being in denial..
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Then my advice to you is that you got a lot to learn about this country.

Do you know that in university, a malay medical student just need 40% to pass a subject whereas non malay needs 70%?
Ok my % may be a bit out but you get the drill.

Yes they do have such system beside individual and strata title.
Yes they also have the same standard like what you mention above.

Its not that difficult to identify if you are bumi/malay or otherwise bcos yr identity card said it all.

If 60% buyers are bumi, then 60% of lots will be sold as bumi lots. But the discount factor may or may not extend to the rest of 31% to 60% buyers, depends on if the land originally is set for 30% or 50% bumi allocation.

There is no 40/60/90 buni allocation in klang valley except malay reserve land..

Yes there is also malay reserve land, muslim reserved land and etc.....
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I know the trick of selling 1mil n above property to foreigner very well.....

You dun need to elaborate.

Our discussion is still within the topic.
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post Jan 11 2019, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jan 11 2019, 10:52 PM)
Ah, i see... This clears things up even more. Being doing some light reading about this all and it's an eye-opener so far. I guess it's even worse for those who got it marked as bumi-lots but didn't get the discounts that comes with those. Hopefully, certain concrete changes can be done to rectify this.. At minimum, with the approval seeking process to sell later on. For own stay folks, won't be much of an issue as they'll hang around a fair bit before thinking to up/downsize. Flippers? Well, they should have known better..  laugh.gif
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One never knows if its for ownstay for life or shorter term.
Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow, so should one know what happens in 5 or 10 yrs later???

Having saying this, bumi are getting better to do each days....the old days of bumi will find it hard to find bumi buyers may be the thing in the past....imo.

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QUOTE(kungpaochicken @ Jan 12 2019, 11:22 AM)
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pls take your question up to management level or state gov.

interesting to see what they say.....

I believe whoever you wassup only SA? not some manager in charged?????

would be also interesting to see some bumi buyers responsed to this.

leasehold can get bumi discount but lot wont converted to bumi lot...........then it makes no different btw leasehold and freehold except tenure.

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QUOTE(aaron1717 @ Jan 12 2019, 12:04 PM)
this would rely on how strong and how united your community are also... although strata titled properties have rulings to ensure MF must be promptly paid and there are legal actions can be taken but the whole process of taking legal actions may be inefficient hence prevention is better than cure, make sure all the owners are in sync enough to preserve the best of the township... 

in the end, just enjoy the home that's coming to you soon will do....  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  CNY mood is already in Grandeur Lab~!  thumbup.gif
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strata title act already give power to JMB or MC to take appropriate action without going thru court.

the only thing they cant do is cut water supply. TNB hal ini terpulang kepada TNB whether they potong or not.... devil.gif

bypass ardence lab one afternoon around 1pm.....deader than salted fish.......except the supermarket.

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post Jan 13 2019, 12:11 AM

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Hisham

Wat say you regarding the advice given by EG on leasehold bumi lot vs bumi quota????

Is there any possibility that buyer opted to receive bumi discount but the lot wont be converted to bumi lot for leasehold development?
Tqvm
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post Jan 13 2019, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(Hisham8686 @ Jan 12 2019, 11:51 PM)
Hypothetically, should the owner of a specific parcel (read: house) refused to contribute to the maintenance fee  and sinking fund of the strata titled development, the JMB and MC still has to go the Strata Management Tribunal to enforce a claim against the errant owner/purchaser of the strata development. Whilst it is easier to initiate a claim and to be awarded by a Tribunal vis a vis a Court of Law (going against the ruling of the tribunal is tantamount to contempt of court, which is punishable by imprisonment of up to three years and/or a fine of up to MYR 250k), however, if by the negligence of the solicitor overseeing the execution of the DMC, certain clauses relating to the contribution of maintenance fund are accidentally left out, or the DMC just happen to be badly drafted where there are two or more conflicting clauses within the DMC, mainly because the incompetent solicitor in question uses a boilerplate DMC without proofreading the DMC (there are plenty of them in Malaysia as enunciated by the current and previous Bar Council Presidents),  a question of law would arise, which inevitably means the case would still need to be referred to the High Court. It happened to one of SP Setia's flagship development when Mr Liew and the current team at EW were at its helm. Let's just hope history does not repeat itself.
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The erected owner that refused to pay maintenance fee has to hope for badly drafted dmc; highly unqualified lawyer on jmb panel and a bit of luck to bring the case to highcourt.
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post Jan 13 2019, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(Hisham8686 @ Jan 13 2019, 09:39 AM)
In theory, the EG salesperson is NOT wrong, both are theoretically mutually exclusive, i.e. one could buy a non-bumi lease from the State and get the bumi discount from the developer but still sell to a non-bumi buyer later on at non-bumi price. In practice, state consent is required whenever a lease were to be transferred from one to another, the Land Office (PTG) is very unlikely to approve of such a transfer due to "quotas" that is imposed by the state, either imaginary or absolute. PTG is more likely to err on the side of caution, and reject the application of transfer of the leasehold land on ground of "quotas". Either way, the land doesn't belong anyone (developer or purchaser of the house) it belongs to the state, the buyer of a leasehold house acquired only the lease from the state. However, it's not impossible to transfer/sell a leasehold bumi lot to a non-bumi buyer, but there's plenty of complications that one has to deal with. It is still best to buy a freehold house without restriction on land.

P.S. although I am a bumi, but I have never purchased a leasehold property personally for obvious reasons. As far as I know, there's no such thing as bumi lot for leasehold, as this condition would be listed in the sekatan-sekatan khas of the "land title", usually the "land title" of the lease would be identical to the non bumi ones. I stand to be corrected.
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I mean in a good way...... devil.gif

you memang pandai pusing pusing macam good lawyer...…. biggrin.gif

how can a bumi bought a non bumi lease from developer? is there such a thing?????? the piece of land is new lease released by state gov, and developer just got it and started developed it to sell to public. the land is said to have 50% bumi quota.

so the question is 'is developer need to predetermine which part of it is allocated to bumi 1st' or

'as long as a bumi bought, then it will be considered as part of bumi quota"?

the land is still under master. you will get the sekatan khas after individual title is issued, no?

can someone still claimed that this corner lot is a non bumi lease when I bought it (don't even know how its possible), even thought I got bumi discount, the state should never considered my purchase as bumi unit and should remain as non bumi lot.

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