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Hansel
post Nov 25 2019, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Nov 24 2019, 06:18 PM)
There 2 separate performance or returns that one should be aware of - investor's returns and fund's returns.

The investor's returns/performance is your personal performance, which as you had noted is influenced by the timing of the purchase into the fund and also its withdrawal.

On the other hand, the fund's performance is not affected by your purchases or withdrawals. So whether you partially withdraw by taking out the dividends or not, the fund's performance/returns remain the same.

(Unless of course you are a giant big whale and your purchases or withdrawals can affect the normal operation of the fund!)

Yes, from the 4th qtr of last year till a few months ago, some bond funds' effective interest rate were easily above 10%.
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Appreciated your opinions, bro,... in this context, I owuld be more concerned with investor's returns then, ofr this affects me directly,... unless, let me think,... I intend to re-enter the fund,...

Well,... I sold that fund last year at,.. 3rd qtr or second qtr, I think, and after I sold, the fund's nav dived lower and lower,... guessed I was lucky. The name of the fund is : Fidelity HY Euro AMDIST Bond Fund. It's offered by FSM and Phillip-Capital in SG.
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post Nov 25 2019, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 24 2019, 03:38 PM)
Perhaps you have to find out..
In your carthasis to push and stamp your investment prowess ability to predict future over others,
better pause and think... true or not.
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I can sense that somehow,... YOU are SORE internally abt what I have been discussing with other forummers here, for reasons unknown,...

YOU go to the extreme of pulling out inputs that are seemed to be detrimental to me,... for which I did not reply to (except for the one by bronkos) and that I ignored due to non-productiveness. I am surprised you spent your time doing all this.

Well,... you can choose not to read this thread for the time being,... or you can choose not to participate in my discussions inside this thread. This is just an open, public forum,...

Let's be more productive,... but you are free to continue doing your stupid insinuations if you wished to.

However, I wouldn't want to waste useless time with you.
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post Nov 25 2019, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 24 2019, 02:38 AM)
Monthly interest has been there since time immemorial to me...
it goes to show even if unsure, you could still use the superlatives  to push your stand without  checking first.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 24 2019, 03:38 PM)
Perhaps you have to find out..
In your carthasis to push and stamp your investment prowess ability to predict future over others,
better pause and think... true or not.
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By the way, I appreciated your challenge and reminder that I was dead-wrong.

I accepted it gracefully, but you must also accept that I corrected my error early before you opened your mouth. So,...in answer to your unnecessary repeats abt checking, pausing and thinking, let me say I have done so BEFORE you opened your gap.

You have nothing else to say except to ask me to check, pause and think !

Let me see if you have other similar things to utter after this.
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post Nov 25 2019, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 25 2019, 04:32 PM)
Give  you a mirror to reflect.

You reply to someone with 30Million .......
you dont believe people can make passive income $40k a month
must doubt it-----say may be his active income? ,
ask what income type is that?regulated or not?.
Want to see his portfolio and blog..

For someone acting like investment expert i expect you to know the simple fact
if one has $30 Million, even with 0 investment knowledge, simply dump the money in bank
with a meagre 1.6% return already can make that $40k passive income a month!

As usual chest-thumping your investment prowess, lecture a specialist Dr with S$30Million and passive income 40k a month on how to live do not splurge , how to invest and said  he cant stop working........Hilarious to say the least!     

And when people do not want to learn from you, you get annoyed....
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If you have read my inputs earlier CAREFULLY, I did the following :-

1) I talked abt his Passive Income of SGD40K per mth.. Where did I mention anything abt 30Million ? Pls pull out the sentence and post it here !

2) I mentioned Active Income because SGD40K per mth Active Income which is equivalent to RM120K per mth Active Income is not a big deal. That was what I mentioned. Where did I say that I doubted his 40K is Passive Income and must be Active Income ? Pls pull out the sentence and post it here !

3) I talked abt the types of income, never did I comment specifically HIS income is regulated nor regulated. Did I comment on his income directly ? Again, pls pull out the sentence and post it here !

Let him comment on the last two sentences. You are in no position to comment on his behalf. In fact, like i posted in my earlier posts, I am hoping he will reply. I would indeed like to learn from him,... hence, I asked if he has a blog.

And again,... why are you talking abt 30Million and basing your calculations on 30Million ? Let me pull-out his input and my replies to him in the following posts for more clarity.

Why do you say I am annoyed if people do not want to learn from me ?
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post Nov 25 2019, 06:03 PM

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'Mr hksgmy's first post :-

QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 20 2019, 09:46 PM)

Scenario: Debt free since 40 years of age (about 10 years ago), all investment properties paid off, generating positive income, no bonds or stocks bought on leverage, regular dividend and coupon payouts. No major liabilities, no parents to support, no children to worry about. Health insurances bought to the hilt - should we fall ill, everything is covered.

Converted (using a simple assumption of S$ = AUD = RM x 3), the passive income ranges from RM90,000 to RM150,000 per month. The variation is due to certain months, more than 1 bond pays me the coupon due. There’ll also be an annuity that kicks in when I’m 65 years old, that will add an additional RM30,000 per month as retirement income.

We’re both working in Singapore. I’m a medical specialist, she’s an accountant. In Singapore, we are considered upper middle class (I do not presume to claim that we’re amongst the top earners, but we are comfortable with what we have). We’re both looking to retire in Sydney, as I have family there and Australia isn’t exactly too far away from our other relatives in Malaysia, Singapore and Hong Kong. We also like the outdoors and the idea of long drives to nowhere excites me.

Outgoings: land taxes, property taxes, council taxes, utilities, food/groceries/dining & the maintenance of 2 cars (we’ll both be driving in Australia), medical insurance premiums, holidays outside and within Australia. I can’t think of much more. We have always lived simply even in Singapore.

My concerns: is 50 too young to retire? Obviously, I won’t completely retire - but part time work on a “want to” basis is quite different. What if I hate working part time? What if there‘s no professional pride or a feeling of accomplishment? Once I walk out of my private practice in Singapore, there’s no looking back. I will need to hand over my patients portfolio to a colleague (obviously it’s the responsible thing to do), and should I hate working in Australia, I won’t have a back up plan to come back to Singapore to start all over again. Won’t be fair to my patients and won’t be fair to my colleague.

Will what we have be enough to retire? Am I worrying too much? As a part time physician, I reckon it’s reasonable to expect a pay cut from what I’m making now. Obviously, even a full time physician in the same specialty and with the same seniority in Australia would make a fraction of what Singapore can pay me. International patients (from Indonesia, Myanmar, Malaysia and Vietnam for example) are good paymasters - and those will definitely be missing from my roster in Sydney. What more a part time physician.

I reckon what we can make should be more than enough to cover our living expenses and all outgoings in Sydney, yet, there’s always that niggling fear (as irrational as my wife says it is - she should know, she’s the accountant) that “what if it isn’t enough”?

Although we live very modest lifestyles in Singapore, we love the fact that we don’t ever have to think twice (or blink twice, for that matter), should we ever need to put money down for a purchase, or any reason at all. When my uncle needed money to help my cousin pursue her Masters degree, I didn’t hesitate in fronting up the money.

When my Malay friend’s business fell on hard times and he needed help to pay for his 2 children’s education at Marlborough College, I made good my promise and supported them until his business turned around. He hasn’t paid me back yet, but it’s not an issue because I’m not in a hurry to chase.

When my aunt in Hong Kong had lung cancer, we flew up there multiple times over several weekends (up to Hong Kong on Saturday, back to Singapore on Sunday) to spend time with her. These are meaningful things that bring us (and the recipients) joy, and these are things that we are used to doing - all that might have to stop when we retire (we obviously have to start keeping track of our outgoings then), and I don’t know how I’ll react to it.

Money matters aside, there’s also the worry about all this time on my hands and nothing to do. Will my wife and I end up bickering day in day out? As much as I love her and as much as she loves me, we’ve never spent every single minute of our lives together - and retirement might just force us to do that. And we might get into each other’s hair.

On the one hand, I can’t wait to hang up my stethoscope and do the things that I’ve always wanted to do but never had the time to do so - before I’m too old to do it. Like drive from Sydney to Perth, or take a train from Perth to Sydney. Like cycle from Sydney to Wollongong. Or go fishing. Our house is just a stone’s throw away from the water.

On the other hand, is 50 too young to retire from full time work? I’m not money minded in the sense I don’t need to make my next million and the million after that. I’m actually contented with what I have at present, and by all logical assumption, our wealth will probably outlast our lifetimes. It’s the fear of retirement that worries me. The fear of trying to find new things to do, because I’m bored of the old ones. The fear that my intellect will be blunted by its lack of use and the lack of challenge. The fear that I will fade into irrelevance earlier than I should.

Thank you for letting me put my thoughts on the forum. Thank you for taking time to read my concerns, and I welcome any opinions or thoughts you might have - especially from those in a similar age band (pushing 50) or older, and who might actually have entertained a similar consideration previously (or presently).
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post Nov 25 2019, 06:04 PM

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And my one and only reply to Mr hksgmy's first post :-

I think aspartame has a good point there,... the Passive Income portion truely made many people speechless.

If you are able to make "Converted (using a simple assumption of S$ = AUD = RM x 3), the passive income ranges from RM90,000 to RM150,000 per month.', this means we can count your average monthly passive income from dividends, coupons, rentals and interests to be SGD40K PER MONTH. AND THIS IS PASSIVE INCOME.

Everybody would be impressed. The important point here is the Income-type, let's just limit ourselves to regulated and known income to authorities. Shadow economy income may catch more,...

If yours is Active Income,... then err,... it's not really a big deal,.... but Passive Income ??

What is the size of your portfolio ? Do you have a blog that charts out your investment journey please ?

I'm sure even fund managers would like to learn from you !!!

SGD40K equates PER MONTH equates to SGD480K PER YEAR. THIS IS A VERY STRONG ACHIEVEMENT.

You record would better most, if not all of the SG financial bloggers whose articles that I have read, though I may not have read all,... Please share your blog.

On your plans,... well, I'm not really a guru on planning,.. never thought much abt my own plans too,...I just go on day by day. I have my own motivations,.. biggrin.gif

Maybe some comments from myself,...

1) I think.... money-wise, not too much for you to worry abt-lar,... unless you start thinking abt splurging to the likes of JLow,.. then maybe not enough to do it consistently. But with SGD40K per month and further income from your Active Income,... if consistent,... can still buy a nice yatch in SG to take your friends out to sea and to Bintan on weekends.

The side perks that come along with owning such a yacth (forgot how to spell,...) would be many,... especially if you have a liking for 'cordial relationships'. Life is short, bro,.. Don't worry too much abt what others say,,...

2) No 1) above can be expanded to Aust when you retire there one day. You really like Aust,.. huh ? Not for me though.

Err,... by the way, perhaps you already know this,... if you become a Tax Resident of Aus, their ATO will go after your Passive Income worldwide, especially Singapore assets. "Angmohs like to tax Passive Income",....please think abt this carefully.

3) I supposed you know a lot abt investments already, having been able to structure such a portfolio. So, I'll add the advice that you'll have to keep up your knowledge on investments so that you can continue to generate those Passive Income CONSISTENTLY FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIVES.

Otherwise, you'll have to entrust your portfolio to a private banking relationship mgr. Err,... best to know the things yourself,...

I heard my RM telling me over dinner that her counterparts in The US kena litigation for simply investing clients' money. This is not the first time I hear this,... many times. .. If the RM is not 'performing', you;ll have to keep pouring in funds to avoid margin calls events from coming.

If you can continue to keep pouring in funds then okay-lar,... BUT err,... I'm not JLow. biggrin.gif

4) Ohh yeah,... I almost forgot this VERY IMPORTANT PART : I THINK YOU CAN'T STOP WORKING. BECAUSE YOU NEED THE IMAGE. JUST HAVING MONEY IS NOT ENOUGH. Better not retire at 50 !

Hmm,... I don't know how to explain this in detail,...

I guessed a lot that I said in the above are related to myself,... I'll be here.

This post has been edited by Hansel: Nov 25 2019, 06:04 PM
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post Nov 25 2019, 06:13 PM

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So,... where is the mention of 30Million ? YOU made it up yourself to facilitate convenience in YOUR CALCULATIONS, right ?

Or,... another theory is you know the person 'in-person',... that's good,.. but pls don't say I replied to someone with 30Million back then.

How would I know that he has 30Million at that time when I replied to him ?

If I knew he had 30Milion at that time when replying to him, I would not have asked for his Passive Income workings.

I'll just recommend the lifestyles to him.

YOU are right abt this : if one has $30 Million, even with 0 investment knowledge, simply dump the money in bank with a meagre 1.6% return already can make that $40k passive income a month!

This is obvious ! But how would I know he had 30Million at that time ?

Please do not argue nonsensically !


See the details in my immediate two inputs.
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post Nov 25 2019, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(Dd2318 @ Nov 25 2019, 05:18 PM)
Assuming husband n wife annual income sgd600k, at their current peak earnings.

The wealth generated approx sgd30million, if likely from inheritance, Strike Toto, etc. Then, if made clear as such....Then no quarrels. His good karma. Enjoy!

Otherwise, it takes 50 years to accumulate such amount...or 33 years, if based on sgd20million. I will accept.

For me personally, not about hubris, nemesis, etc.. But I'm a sucker for hard facts.

Docs in Sgp median pay is region sgd7-15k. If specialist, which hospital lah... TTS, Mt E, etc?

VPs is Singtel n Dbs  [Glassdoor] annual earning sgd250k-350k depending on performance bonus, etc.

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Hmm,... quite some logic there,... if basing solely from calculations onto working life, bro,... yeah, you have a point there,... thumbsup.gif

Anyway, guy3288 just mentioned I was talking to the forummer with SGD30Mil,... perhaps he knows hksgmy personally,...

Frankly,... what is the net worth of a person is normally unknown, bro,... for myself,.. I rather focus on how to make passive income with whatever available 'bullets' in hand. Of course, the more 'bullets' one has, the easier it is.

Like guy3288 claimed, with SGD30Mil 'bullets in the warchest', just dumping that warchest into FD can earn 40K per mth. Then no need to talk much already,.. brute force this is, to bro aspartame's term,...
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[quote=Dd2318,Nov 25 2019, 09:16 PM]
Like guy3288 claimed, with SGD30Mil 'bullets in the warchest', just dumping that warchest into FD can earn 40K per mth. Then no need to talk much already,.. brute force this is, to bro aspartame's term,...
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Master Sifu,

Hahaha, yes, lastly agree... I just had a bone to pick.

If the author just started with a sgd30mil networth.... No quarrels.

But, he started story of being a specialist etc, alluding to the build up of current wealth. I felt its was pure misinformation. Part of my stubborn attitude, limiting my career advancement.

Peace! Here to learn about wealth creation not pick bones. Thank you Master Sifu for the patience.
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Your grammar is eloquent, bro,... truly exceptional,... smile.gif
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post Nov 27 2019, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 27 2019, 12:21 AM)
give you another mirror to reflect yourself
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Guy3288,... Thank you for these inputs,...

Well,... my first input was to iceman and this was because he hinted first abt people being wannabes, hence I defended against that hint. I was not exhibiting annoyance. It's okay if you or anybody else interpreted it as annoyance,...

If I'm not a wannabe, I would owe it to my conscience not to feel bad.

Then to your second and third inputs of mine in boxes, I was replying to Bora-bora's comments abt 15-20mil. I said 30mil to round it up.

AND IF YOU READ CLOSELY, I NEVER DOUBTED HE HAD THIRTY MIL. I JUST WANTED TO LEARN MORE FROM HIM !!!!!!!!!!

Okay - you are right. I mentioned 30mil. But I mentioned 30mil because of a hypothesis given by another respected forummer. Is this wrong to assume others COULD BE right ?




Now, we are dragging more and more people into this,....
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post Nov 27 2019, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(mrbigggyyy @ Nov 27 2019, 01:54 AM)
this thread is so entertaining hehehehehe
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QUOTE(LoTek @ Nov 27 2019, 09:06 AM)
the testosterone level is strong with this thread
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QUOTE(Dd2318 @ Nov 27 2019, 10:00 AM)
Yup.. Get ready, and be forewarned.

Next, we're gonna compare length of chest hair, and correlate that to accumulated wealth n intelligence levels.

As a reader n learner, I wud appreciate that. Thank you.
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Okay bros,...

I'll go talk to akib_mullen abt buying AUDJPY then,...
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 26 2019, 09:30 PM)
Chill Bros, hansel and guy3288.

Don’t argue over a new forummer (who just happened to be tagged here by my son icy, my apologies).

I can see hksgmy likes to “contribute” in kopitiam and serious kopitiam. He also talked casually about his investment there. Got mention about fund investment, australia investment........one leh don’t play play. If he can also “contribute” more in this FBIH section, with numbers, specific investment vehicle, taxation matters for investment, etc (like both of you do so often here), then we know the story lor......got “liao” one....in this forum, cold hard number talks....cannot simply blow water like in those /k forum

Let’s hope to learn from sifu hksgmy here  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 26 2019, 10:33 PM)
Haha, apologies if I sounded like asking to you "prove", but that is not my intention. My intention is asking you to "contribute" as I can see in /k and serious /k you "seemed" to be knowledgable in investment too. I am sure we here, especially readers of this thread can learn immensely from you, hopefully with more numbers than words  thumbup.gif

Do visit this forum more !
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Bro,...

I never doubted hksgmy's position.

I had to defend myself since guy3288 said otherwise, and more abt my forumming etiquette.
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[quote=Dd2318,Nov 27 2019, 11:31 AM]
I'll go talk to akib_mullen abt buying AUDJPY then,...
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Master Sifu,

For those forumers really concerned abt recession n run for safety asset like USD$. How do we go about it.. If a person wants to buy US$100 vs US$100K.

Major consideration is minimize exchange loss, high integrity n quick processing time.

Is it thru mamak currency exchange, banks or other instruments.

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Bro,.. I'll try to comment,...

You intend to chg USD100 or USD100K ?

Different tactic,... Another thing is,... if you look closely, the USD strength is also not really that stable. There are times that it will weaken too vs a 'normally strong' currency.

But one advantage of the USD is you can carry it anywhere in the world and it will be accepted. Very reputable currency.
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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Nov 27 2019, 06:24 PM)
I apologize if feathers were ruffled (for reasons best known to those who got their knickers in a knot) by the thread I started in another section, and I appreciate the mature way in which the primary purpose of this discussion was brought back into focus.

Anyway, to put a simple perspective into some of the finer aspects of what I said:

I'm nearly 50 years old. I've been working in Singapore for more than 25 years, the last 15 years in private practice. The first 10 years as a doctor in the government service, and I rose to the rank of a consultant.

Let's just focus on the last 15 years. As I've previously alluded, a consultant with the same seniority and experience in the same specialty (I'd rather keep that private & confidential) is expected to make about S$3,000,000 to S$4,000,000 gross per annum. Suffice to say, consultation fees make up only a modest portion of our earnings. Sure, we charge $150 to $200 for a standard consultation, but it's still only a small part of the overall income. Theatre fees/procedural fees/special medications make up a far larger bulk.

These are obviously not medications you'd rock up to your local pharmacy to buy. Biologics, Immunotherapy drugs - these are highly specialized, extremely expensive medications that can and must only be dispensed by qualified professionals. As an example, just by adhering to a mark-up of 20% on the cost price as per guidelines, it’s a fair profit of at least $1,000 - $2,000 per injection (check out Xolair, Humira, Enbrel, Dupixent, Stelara just to quote you a few examples). Those are the kind of figures I'm referring to. Like I said, 一山比一山高. I’m not talking about a script for Panadol or Piriton here. The best paymasters are not the local Singaporeans, but my patients from Indonesia, Vietnam, Myanmar and even Malaysia (ironic).

Multiply that with the last 10 (not even 15) years of private practice, and you'll figure out why a post-tax "war chest" of about S$30,000,000 is not actually that far off the mark (kudos to the person who worked it out backwards).

Bear in mind also that my wife works as a chartered accountant, we have no children & we are both used to (as Malaysian Chinese) the culture of working twice as hard to receive half as much. We delay our need for gratification, and we don't feel the need to flaunt our income by way of expensive, branded items. I wear an Apple Series 4 watch (after my Apple Series 1's battery finally died), and she still wears the Tag Heuer I bought for her at her graduation in Australia. Our daily living expenses are already more than fully covered by her salary alone (she was previously with one of the big 4 in a senior role, she's now an in-house accountant for better hours), with change to spare.

Also consider our attitude towards housing: despite owning private properties in Singapore (and Australia), we continued to live in our humble little HDB flat that we bought the minute we qualified as PRs back when we first came down to Singapore. The savings alone, in living a humble existence, is not something to scoff at. This arrangement continued until our neighbours whom we've gotten to know very well moved away & new ones came in. One of the new neighbours got into some trouble with loan sharks and his house was spray-painted & his shoe rack was set on fire. That was our cue to make like a bat out of hell, right out of the neighbourhood.

We also don't drive flashy cars. She made do with our first car until the wheels fell off (a Honda City, then upgraded to a C-class which she's still driving), and I drive an S-class after the wheels fell off my old E-class (the W211 version). I know some of my colleagues or her friends of similar status would be zipping about town in their Ferraris and Porsches, and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with their automotive choice, but that's simply just not our style.

My medical studies were also fully funded by the Colombo Commonwealth Plan scholarship, and included a very generous stipend. So, upon graduation, I had no debt and I’ve worked very hard all my life to avoid debt. My wife’s 1st year in her accountancy degree was initially paid for by my parents, but she applied herself diligently and obtained a University scholarship that covered tuition fees and since we both studied in Australia, my stipend was more than enough for both our living expenses. In this sense, we already had an advantage compared to many of our peers – being debt free from right off the bat.

So that’s a little bit on our background.

In the spirit of this thread, I'll share with you my portfolio (obviously, no need for hard numbers, just %)

50% liquid investments - in SGD & AUD (10:5 ratio)
50% properties - in Singapore & Australia. We've consolidated our property portfolio. We used to have units in Auckland & KL, but sold those as there were too many tax jurisdictions to worry about, and I couldn't do this full time.

Of the liquid assets, I have them split up as follows:

50% bonds (Senior subordinated, Tier 1 or Tier 2, rated - never junk grade) – bond issues from UOB, DBS, OCBC, Sembcorp Industries (not Marine), Credit Suisse, SIA, Wing Tai, Guocoland, SCB, HSBC, and in Australia, I favour Westpac, NAB, ANZ. As you can see, I'm heavily into banks. If they collapse, I'll probably jump from the proverbial 14th floor so beloved in /k. The average return ranges from 3.5% - 5%. If I were to sell off all of the bonds right now, the only 2 bonds that I would lose money on would be Sembcorp Industries & SIA. All the others are in positive territory. A lot of the bonds are also perpetual issues, with a call date some 10 years down the road. This does help with financial planning & stability somewhat.

10% in SGX blue chip stocks - the dividend yields are decent, if not overly exciting. I'd say they pay on average 5-6% returns.

20% in index-tracked stocks, with memory knock-out feature. Mainly in FMCG and consumer/entertainment stocks - like Starbucks, McD, VISA, Mastercard, Pepsi, Disney (by far my best investment so far) and Yum foods. These are slightly riskier assets, but they have paid 8-10% on average. I also have these in Pharma stocks, obviously, as I’m a little more attuned to potential sensitivities brewing in this industry. The key thing here is that I have no issues getting knocked in, should the share prices fall below the threshold, as these counters are also blue chips. I’ll just switch over from collecting the 8% to receiving the dividend payments instead.

20% in cold, hard cash (SGD & AUD). I'm lucky that I managed to lock in the bulk of my AUD savings in 60 - 80 month time deposits, so those are still paying nearly 8% in interest (non-compounded), but I'll have a major headache when those good deals run out in a couple of years' time. As for my SGD, because of my relationship with the bank, I get a special 2.25% return to keep my money with them. The rate is reviewed/renewed every quarter, but they've kept it more or less the same for a while now. Some may say that we’re quite silly to keep this portion in low returns of cash, but it does give us a bit of flexibility and there’s always emergencies that having a bit of money at hand would be helpful.

We also have an annuity plan that will pay us a comfortable income upon official retirement ($10,000 per month in total). We bought ours from AIA.

Of the 50% in properties, we have a mix of residential and commercial units. We are receiving at least 3 – 4% in rental returns. The relatively higher yield is from the fact that we own a couple of commercial shop houses, which are in quite good locations with good traffic footfall. In additional to residential properties in Australia, we also have a couple of medical suites bought in Australia, rented out to my classmates from University (oh, what a small world!) Those are paying quite good returns too – about 5% per annum.

In my opinion, the crucial factors that some detractors might have missed in their initial scepticism are:

1. Us being totally debt free upon graduation
2. Singapore’s meritocratic system being a haven for talent – they do recognize & reward performance
3. Singapore’s position as a regional medical hub (for me) & a regional headquarters for many MNCs (my wife)
4. The Singapore dollar being stable & relatively strong against major currencies
5. The Australia dollar peaking at 1.31 against the SGD some years ago – I liquidated ALL of my AUD and converted them into SGD at nearly the highest point (having accumulated AUD at an average buy in price of 1.02 – 1.03 over the preceding years leading to that spike)
6. My wife and I being debt free, and without obligations to our elders (my parents passed away many years ago, as has her dad, and she’s estranged from her gambler of a mother)
7. We have no children – so no need to plan for their education costs

So, if you do your sums and add all of that up, you’ll realise that what I quoted, in terms of passive returns of $40,000 to $50,000 a month is easily achievable – and that’s honestly, me being on the conservative side. I will still be working full time in Singapore for the next 2 or 3 years, so I do expect to increase the portfolio significantly, before we make the move over to Sydney to retire.

Thank you for the opportunity to clarify myself.
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Tq for sharing your portfolio and the background information too,...
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post Jun 9 2020, 12:48 PM

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Good discussions in the above, bros,.... tqvm,... relationships and chidren an important aspects of our lives. Having loads of money, having powers over others in life,... and being popular can NEVER override the experiences I attained with my wife(s) and children.

Would like to offer an opinion here though : you guys shld have been able to spot the type of person she is when you were dating,...or well,... when both of you started living together (before marriage),... It works both ways - she evaluates you and you evaluate her,...

So,.... if things don't 'match', why further the relationship into matrimony and 'tie-in into legal and binding statures' ? Sorry fro using technical terms here.
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post Jun 14 2020, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(hksgmy @ Jun 14 2020, 09:23 AM)
I didn’t mean to dig up an old discussion, but in the interests of FairPlay and to show that there was no malicious intent in my initial declaration, I’ve included a snapshot of my latest (painful) tax returns for your perusal.
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Hopefully this further clarifies and removes any co fusion or misunderstanding on my original post.
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No need to prove anything, bro,... smile.gif

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