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azriel
post Aug 11 2018, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(Peiyantiu @ Aug 11 2018, 12:02 AM)
These light/medium "tanks" can tahan 40mm cannon hit from let say CV90 ??
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I don't think so. The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is Stanag Level 5 can only tahan against 25mm cannon at 500 m. The Tulpar Light Tank is Stanag Level 2 but can be upgraded to Level 5.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_4569

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post Aug 11 2018, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Aug 11 2018, 12:27 AM)
i think 30tons and above with no ability to carry units is ok to call light/med tank...
but if it is able to carry units, might as well call it ifv...
below 30ton with light weaponry but can carry unit probably apc,
if cannot carry then technical... lelz

that doesnt mean by calling it ifv it is inferior in terms of armor, namer is called an apc or lightly armed ifv...
not so straight forward these days... tahan hit which part? what kind of shell? with or without modular armor package?

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The Namer is a Heavy APC/IFV.

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/na...eavyarmouredin/

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post Aug 11 2018, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 11 2018, 01:41 AM)
Well of course you may end up buying the armored fire support vehicle. How else are you going to get your money back after getting FNSSs technical assistance in coming up with can you call it, a national project. That is only logical and nothing to be embarrassed about.
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Lol. And why would i ever be embarrassed about? Did i wrote just Pindad Medium Tank? Nope i wrote Pindad/FNSS. Because it is afterall a joint development project by both companies. Always posted in this forum the Medium Tank Project as Pindad/FNSS.

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Indonesian PT Pindad and Turkish FNSS Medium Tank Project Team pose with the Medium Tank 1st prototype. The 2nd prototype currently being built by PT Pindad is in its final stages of construction. Credit to Windu Nurkemal Paramarta.

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post Aug 11 2018, 08:19 AM

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DEFTECH - Malaysia AV8 Gempita 8X8 Multi-Role Wheeled Armoured Vehicle.


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post Aug 11 2018, 09:03 AM

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Russia ready to provide Philippine Navy with submarines

Jaime Laude 3 hrs ago

MANILA, Philippines — Russia has expressed willingness to provide the Philippine Navy with two kilo-class diesel electric submarines.

According to Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana, Moscow is even offering a soft loan if the Philippine government is short of funds to bankroll the Navy’s submarine acquisition project.

Sources said Lorenzana is scheduled to visit Russia next week.

Soft loan refers to financing with no interest or below market rate of interest.

Once the deal is finalized, in 12 months the submarine acquisition project for the Navy will be completed, with construction of the sub surface warship to start immediately.

When construction starts, the Navy can already expect delivery of its first-ever submarine in four years or after the term of President Duterte, who is supporting the Navy’s submarine procurement project.

Several Southeast Asian states, including Vietnam, have procured kilo class submarines from Russia.

Other than Moscow, the Philippines, according to Lorenzana, is also scouting for other possible submarine suppliers from Europe, including France, South Korea and Germany.

But Lorenzana bared the President is heavily in favor of the Navy’s first ever submarine to be procured from Russia.

“That’s what the President wants,” he said. The Navy is also slated to do a port call on Russia in OOctober


Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/national/rus...ines/ar-BBLLiVt

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post Aug 11 2018, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 11 2018, 01:44 AM)
Which comes back to what i said. They are just run of the mill armored vehicles.Slap a few armour modules and change the name light, super light or medium.
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^^^ TLDR:

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The U.S. Army Wants a New Light Tank

Here's what it could look like.

By Kyle Mizokami  Aug 15, 2016

The U.S. Army wants a new vehicle that would be lightly protected, but capable of going places the M1 Abrams main battle tank can't go while packing enough firepower to kill armored vehicles much larger than itself. Now Army leaders are meeting with defense contractors to put a plan in motion.

Three Tiers
Generally speaking, there are three types of tanks: heavy, medium, and light. All evolved to fulfill a certain role. Heavy tanks were useful against bunkers and fortifications, as well as dominating smaller tanks on the battlefield. Medium tanks are the mainstay of any tank force, a middleweight compromise between firepower, protection, and mobility. Light tanks were meant for scouting and exploiting breakthroughs, and handling infantry and light armored vehicles.

Note two of these types are in the past tense. Heavy and light tanks have largely disappeared from armies—heavy tanks because they're too slow and expensive, and light tanks because they became too easy to kill on the battlefield. In a world where a single soldier armed with a guided missile can disable a 70-ton tank, there isn't much room for a 30-ton variety.

In addition, recent wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere have prioritized light infantry power above tank power. Yet as China and Russia—both of whom maintain large mechanized armies—act more and more aggressively on the global stage, the American Army has decided it needs an armored vehicle that can go where the action is. The Army would love to send the mainstay of the U.S. Armored Corps, the M1 Abrams, everywhere. Unfortunately, the Abrams has a couple of mobility problems: 12 feet wide and weighing 70 tons, the venerable vehilce has difficulty with restrictive terrain like jungles and mountains. Also, a C-17 transport plane can lift only two M1s at once, and the tank won't fit in the C-130 Hercules at all. So, according to Breaking Defense, the army is now meeting with leaders in the armored vehicle industry to create a next-generation vehicle.

Lighten Up
The Army disposed of its light tanks in the early 1990s, when the M551 Sheridan was retired from the 82nd Airborne Division. Subsequent attempts to build a light tank have stalled out (XM8 Armored Gun System) or provided an unsatisfactory product (the M1128 Mobile Gun System.) Now the Army wants to try again, what could the Army's future tank look like? There have been several technological innovations since the last attempt.

Firepower: Right now, the standard gun for light tanks is a 105-millimeter conventional tank gun. Conventional tank guns are versatile, capable of engaging tanks, armored vehicles, and infantry targets. Unfortunately the fixed barrel width makes it difficult to improve the gun's penetrating power as enemy tank armor improves over time.

Instead, the light tank of the future could easily punch above its weight by using a combination of light guns and anti-tank missiles. The vehicle could use a 30-millimeter chain gun to engage smaller targets and missiles such as Javelin or Hellfire to engage larger one. The Army could even bring back gigantic, blistering-fast LOSAT, or Line of Sight, Anti-Tank hypervelocity missile developed in the 1990s.

Protection: Here's where the light tank will benefit the most from technological innovation. Active protection systems such as the Israeli Trophy and Russian Arena, which use radar antennas to track enemy rockets and missiles and shoot them down with shotgun-like blasts, can protect a small tank just as well as a large one. That means that a modern U.S. light tank could dispense with much of its armor—perhaps keeping just enough to stop 12.7-millimeter heavy machine gun bullets. For larger projectiles, an active protection system would keep the tank crew safe.

Mobility: For decades, the U.S. Army resisted wheeled armored vehicles, preferring tracks over wheels. Tracks are better able to shrug off battlefield damage than wheels, and they are better in some types of ground—particularly crossing ditches or muddy, rough terrain. They're also much heavier.

Now that the Army has purchased the Stryker interim armored vehicle in large numbers, it's much less resistant to wheeled designs than it has been in the past. Wheeled armored vehicles are better at navigating bad terrain than ever, with the added advantage of creating a lighter vehicle with better mobility on roads.

The common conception of a light tank is a small, pudgy vehicle with a pipsqueak of a gun and a cramped, miserable with a short battlefield lifespan. The "light tank" of the future could be dropped out of airplanes, ringed with radars and other sensors, run on six or more wheels, and hurl tank-shattering missiles up to five miles away. Just don't call it a light tank.


https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/w...new-light-tank/

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post Aug 11 2018, 10:20 AM

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Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank Prototype currently undergoing several tests. Credit to Diyan.

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post Aug 11 2018, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 11 2018, 10:39 AM)
Thanks for the article. Just goes to show how vulnerable these 30 ton fire support vehicles are . Oh so they are now "light" tanks.
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Well the last word in the article said "Just don't call it a light tank."

Everyone have their own classification. One would see the SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF as a Light or Medium Tank and one would see it as an IFV 105mm as it is basically is an IFV with a 105mm turret.

Even the WW2 Panther Tank the German classified it as a Medium Tank whereas the Russian & the Allies classified it as a Heavy Tank.

Heck even Rheinmetall calling their Marder Medium Tank as the Marder Medium MBT. Lol.

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IMHO..there is no definite classification.

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post Aug 11 2018, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 11 2018, 10:39 AM)
Thanks for the article. Just goes to show how vulnerable these 30 ton fire support vehicles are . Oh so they are now "light" tanks.
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Nowadays any armored vehicles are vulnerable even Main Battle Tanks. Unless they are equipped with APS. Every weapons will always have a counter weapons.

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post Aug 11 2018, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 11 2018, 12:27 PM)
Haha. That was the gist of my argument friend. Calling it light or medium or whatever is misleading with regard to what is essentially a 30 ton plus armored platform.
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Doesn' matter thats the way it is. The manufacturer and the military can named it what ever they want.

For the MPF why the US Army named it Mobile Protected Firepower? Do the vehicle have enough firepower and protection? It is also misleading.

Some will named a 8x8 wheeled armored vehicle with a 105mm or a 120mm gun as a Mobile Gun System (MGS) and some will named it as a Tank Destroyer.

Whats important is what specific role the vehicle are given to by the user and what strategy for their deployment.
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post Aug 11 2018, 04:32 PM

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post Aug 11 2018, 05:08 PM

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Video of Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank (Kaplan MT) undergoing several tests.


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post Aug 12 2018, 11:53 AM

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Mobility test of the Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank (Kaplan MT).

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post Aug 12 2018, 12:31 PM

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Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank during mobility test at Setrojenar Beach in Central Java. Credit to suaramerdeka.

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post Aug 12 2018, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Aug 12 2018, 12:54 PM)
think i did ask before but forgot... does it allow for carrying of personnel?
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I think you were asking SAIC/ST Kinetics MPF and i said yes. The Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank is a dedicated tank design with a rear engine so it carries no infrantry troops. Pindad is also to begin developing next year an IFV variant based on the Medium Tank. Ofcourse with a front engine.

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Another pic of the Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank during mobility test. Credit to Kompas.

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post Aug 13 2018, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Aug 13 2018, 01:03 AM)
the 2 men crew + autuloader from CMI make a better deal than those of hitfact which still using manual loader. Denel turrent is also a 3 man crew

unless we want to go russian or china on the 105mm autoloader which is highly unlikely
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From the design aspect personally I really like the Hitfact Turret.

I think the CMI Defence 3105 Turret advantages it has a +42° gun elevation and can fire the Falarick 105 GLATGM. And ofcourse the 2 men + autoloader.

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I took this photo of the Rheinmetall Marder Medium Tank with the Hitfact Turret during my visit at Indo Defence 2016.

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PH Navy to acquire six Austal offshore patrol vessels

By: Frances Mangosing - Reporter
INQUIRER.net / 04:22 PM August 10, 2018

The Philippine Navy will acquire six offshore patrol vessels from Austal, Australia’s largest shipbuilder, Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana revealed on Thursday.

While details of the purchase are not immediately available, Lorenzana said the vessels would be built in Austal’s Philippine shipyard in Cebu.

“Dito na gagawin sa ating bansa sa Cebu..Sa Balamban lahat. Maganda ito kasi it will be made in the Philippines,” he told reporters in a press briefing.

Aside from the Philippines, Austal has shipyards in US and Australia and service centers around the world. It builds defense and commercial vessel platforms.

On Thursday, the Philippine Navy successfully tested its first missile system off Lamao Point in Bataan.

The weapons were fired from the three multi-purpose attack craft and hit the designated target.

Lorenzana said that the Philippines will purchase more missiles in the future. “We are getting more of those kasi nga we are acquiring more vessels eh.”


http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1019874/ph-na...-patrol-vessels

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post Aug 13 2018, 07:51 PM

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Local TV coverage of the Pindad/FNSS Medium Tank mobility test.


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Malaysia considers mix of manned, unmanned aircraft for maritime surveillance requirements

Ridzwan Rahmat, Singapore - Jane's Navy International
12 August 2018
 
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Leonardo’s ATR 72MP, seen here at LIMA 2017 in Langkawi. It is one of several aircraft types being considered for Malaysia’s maritime patrol requirements. Source: IHS Markit/Ridzwan Rahmat

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• The Malaysian government is studying further options for the country’s maritime surveillance requirements
• Country will likely operate a combination of manned and unmanned systems to fulfil the role

The Malaysian government is considering a mix of both manned, and unmanned aerial platforms to fulfil the country’s maritime patrol requirements.

In his response to a question from the member of parliament for Mersing, Defence Minister Mohamad Sabu assured that the new administration, which came to power in May 2018, will honour plans made under the previous government. These include a programme to equip the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) with new maritime patrol aircraft (MPA).

However, the government is now making cost comparisons between manned, and unmanned aircraft, and may eventually decide on a combination of both types to fulfil the country’s maritime surveillance requirements. The minister did not give details on the types of equipment being compared.
Read more: https://www.janes.com/article/82310/malaysi...ce-requirements



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