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post Jul 31 2007, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(kalakatu @ Jul 31 2007, 12:19 AM)
i kinda frustrated actually when i see the huge difference in prices between 22" and 24".. mad.gif
so any idea when will the 24" going down below RM1000?  tongue.gif
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Next year, buddy. smile.gif Even the 24 TNs are more than RM1500.
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post Jul 31 2007, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(kalakatu @ Jul 31 2007, 12:23 AM)
so if the price of 24" lowered that much, how much the 22" will be? RM500?  rolleyes.gif
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Possibly - some sellers on LYN are already seeing the Samsung 226BW for RM999.00. They might have put the price up since I checked but that's purely because of high demand.
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post Jul 31 2007, 07:20 AM

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Jul 31 2007, 12:33 AM)
those 24" u see is using different panel bro...
got 24" TN model?

anyway u may be rite, as 365 days ago, an 19" was cost about the same as entry 22" wide now sweat.gif
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Samsung's released their 24 TN. Pretty sure LG has one that's going to be released any time now.
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post Jul 31 2007, 07:24 AM

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QUOTE(clayclws @ Jul 31 2007, 03:22 AM)
Er...Acer spells "low class & quality" for me...
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Actually the Acer 24" is supposed to pretty decent, but it IS old tech. It was released in 2005 so that's why it's significantly cheaper than other PVA 24". Seriously the sweet spot right now in price performance is the Dell 2407-HC. Sub 2k and has a cutting edge PVA panel.
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post Jul 31 2007, 04:41 PM

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It's been resolved, firmware updates and all. Check out Monitor Source for more info.
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post Aug 3 2007, 08:03 AM

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No, but expect the invoice to come separately from the package. I got mine in the mail a few days after I got my monitor.
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post Aug 3 2007, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(Kerry1136 @ Aug 2 2007, 11:03 PM)
Thanks!

But the 24" is really tempting too bad there's a big price gap for 22" to 24".

I think I should stick to my 225BW for now.
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If you already have a 225BW don't bother with upgrading for another 2". Not worth the money, imo. Save up and get the 27" instead.
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post Aug 3 2007, 10:03 PM

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dattebayo, there's no input lag. Have you thought things through? First of all, he's running a comparatively ancient 9800. If he's playing at native res, his graphics card is choking. If he isn't, he's playing at non native res which the monitor needs to scale.

Additionally, you haven't taken into account the fact that it takes you longer to move from one point to the other due to larger screen estate. A lot of people blame input lag on the fact that they are not yet "conditioned" to much a much larger screen and the change of aspect ratio.

I been playing CS:S with no problems and have found no difference.
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post Aug 4 2007, 01:06 AM

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Some excerpts from this interesting article here from X-bit Labs.

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But when you come to think of it, many people are now transitioning to new large models from either 19" models with 1280x1024 resolution or from CRT monitors. Let's take a transition from a 19" LCD to the above-mentioned 215TW: the horizontal resolution has increased by a third (from 1280 to 1680 pixels), which means you have to shift your mouse farther to move its pointer from one edge of the screen to another - if the mouse settings have remained the same. That's where the feeling of "slow pointer" comes from. You can get the same feeling on your current monitor by lowering the pointer speed in three times in the mouse driver's settings.

It's the same with the failure to hit the buttons on the new monitor. Our nervous system is too slow to catch the pointer-above-the-button moment with the eyes and transfer a nervous impulse to the finger that presses on the mouse's left button before the pointer leaves the button. So, the accuracy of hitting the buttons is in fact reduced to a repetition of learned movements when the brain knows beforehand what movement of the hand corresponds to a specific movement of the pointer and with what delay the command to the finger should be sent so that the pointer was exactly above the necessary button when the finger presses the mouse. Of course, all these learned actions become useless when the resolution and the physical size of the screen change. The brain has to adjust itself to the new conditions and you'll be indeed missing the onscreen buttons for a while until this adjustment is accomplished. But this is in no way related to the monitor's input lag. Just like in the previous experiment, you can achieve the same effect by changing the sensitivity of your mouse. If you increase it, you'll be racing past the necessary button. And if you decrease it, you'll be stopping your pointer before reaching it. But the brain will adapt after a while, and you'll again be hitting the buttons with ease.


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The input lag problem is also aggravated by two things common of all people. First, many people are inclined to search for complex explanations of simple things. They prefer to think that a light dot in the sky is a "flying saucer" rather than an ordinary weather balloon or that the strange shadows in the NASA photographs of the Moon are proof that men have never landed there rather than are indicative of the unevenness of the moonscape. Any person who's ever taken an interest in the activities of UFO researchers and other folks of that kind will tell you that most of their alleged discoveries are the result of thinking out excessively complex theories instead just looking for simple, earthly explanations of phenomena.


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Here's my conclusion to this section:

A)  There is indeed an input lag on some monitors. The maximum value of the lag that I've seen in my tests is 47 milliseconds

B)  A lag of this value cannot be noticed at ordinary work or in movies. It may make a difference in games for well-trained gamers, but wouldn't matter for most other people even in games.

C)  You may feel discomfort after changing your monitor with a model that has a larger diagonal and resolution due to low speed or sensitivity of your mouse, low speed of your graphics card or due to the different size of the screen. However, many people read too much of forums and are inclined to blame the input lag as the cause of any discomfort they may feel with their new monitor.

Cutting it short, the problem does exist theoretically, but its practical effect is greatly overstated. An absolute majority of people won't ever notice a lag of 47 milliseconds, let alone smaller lags, anywhere.

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post Aug 4 2007, 08:19 AM

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Mmm you're one of the pros at CS if I recall correctly.

The thing is tyss, there IS input lag if you don't play at native resolution. I have a 6800gt which is also quite old, about three years now. So I tried to play at 1680 so I could preserve some of the graphics settings, but there was a definitely non responsiveness. So I tried switching to native resolution and it was gone. Basically if you're not using native res, the monitor's scaler has to kick in and work out how to approximate it's pixels to match. This will be true for ALL monitors except the high end ones with more powerful scalers. And we're not talking just a few hundred ringgit more, more like a couple of grand.

Conclusion is - play at native resolution, and get a new graphics card to sustain that.

Addendum: I assure you the screen res is a factor - you should read the article I linked. This is like if you live in a room that's a square box, and know exactly how the furniture is arranged. You can navigate that without even trying. Or maybe a road that you are familiar with. You can drive on it faster as you can anticipate the bends, having prior knowledge and muscle memory. If the room dimensions and furniture layout changes, or the if you're forced to go on a different road, your reactions will much slower. It's "muscle memory."

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tyss, I was also planning to save up for a new system and get it all at one go, but my CRT was getting so blurry that it was giving me vision problems EVEN when I wasn't looking at the monitor. So to save my eyesight I got the new monitor. Just give it a while and you'll be back to your pro self wink.gif
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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Aug 4 2007, 10:43 PM)
those watching xvid on a 22" and feeling pixelated, should enable both of the deblocking methods in xvid decoder config, under k-lite codec pack, and it makes big difference with the cost of additional cpu resource.
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Where is that? I could only find "Xvid Encoder" and "Divx Decoder" in my program group.
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post Aug 5 2007, 08:30 AM

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Snap a picture for us to see, S panels are almost mythical now! laugh.gif
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post Aug 6 2007, 05:36 PM

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That 80 ringgit thing never turned up for me, wondering what the factor is? Maybe it's where you live? Where do you live, mfa?

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post Aug 7 2007, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(Irishcoffee @ Aug 7 2007, 01:07 AM)
2232BW/2232GW got wht diff with 226bw ??exp design la
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Never heard of those model numbers - Link us?
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post Aug 7 2007, 08:35 AM

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the 2232BW is exactly the same as the 226bw except that it's bezel is patterned after their LCD TV bezels. Which I quite like. The GW uses their new "swan" stand technology.

Mmm seems both are using their "swan" stand.

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Samsung have recently showcased their new "Swan Monitor" range in Korea, offering a design supposedly inspired by....well, a swan! The ergonomics feature a tilt function using elastomer materials, and there will be a 20" (the CX2032GW / BW) and 22" (CX2232GW / BW) model available. More details as they become available.


Link here

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post Aug 9 2007, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(dattebayo @ Aug 9 2007, 02:22 AM)
SAMSUNG 226BW 22" 2MS DVI - 1129
SAMSUNG 2232BW 22" 5MS DVI - 1099

wat re differences between these 2?
designwise, are they the same?
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At the end of the month, they will first release a clone of the current 226BW, the 223BW, for less expensive but it won't be as reactive. It will have a 5 ms panel, and theoretically no possibility of activating the overdrive to go to 2 ms. Its expected price is around 300 euros, compared to the recommended 370 of the 226BW. While we know that the latter is found for as low as 335 euros, this could mean some good things for those who might opt for this younger sibling. Samsung specifies that all production of the 223BW will be with Samsung panels.


From BeHardware
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post Aug 18 2007, 05:06 PM

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Actually if you look at the pricing in the States, the monitor is over 2000. Something like 2200? That's why I decided in the end to jump onto the good deal and buy it at 1899. Didn't get the PC fair price but at least I got it for below 2000.
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post Aug 18 2007, 05:13 PM

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Nope - I figured if anything was going to happen it'd happen in three years.

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