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RTS Starcraft 2, New Units with Video and Explanation.

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post Aug 4 2007, 04:26 PM

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im dying to play this !! hope my newly bought pc/components can handle the requirements !
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post Aug 4 2007, 05:28 PM

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Pretty sweet looking tech tree but not much changes from the original.
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post Aug 4 2007, 06:29 PM

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Well thats what they say
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post Aug 4 2007, 07:20 PM

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Terran look really sweet now.Love the new Vikings.

There is one thing that i dont like about Terran,they are more hard counter based race now.

Also,the Drop Pods are Dawn of War rip off but what the hell.I still like it.
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post Aug 4 2007, 09:42 PM

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Why do terran need drop pods and ships???
Very strange DoW have no drop ship thus drop pods but SC2???
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post Aug 4 2007, 10:41 PM

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sorry for off topic..hehehe recently see on youtube about tat starcraft ghost thou..
it`s related to SC2 by any mean..hmm... hmm.gif

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post Aug 4 2007, 10:58 PM

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Gamespot has some videos. If anyone has a link to the single player demo please post here. smile.gif

I hope they didn't remove lock down from the ghost.


Added on August 4, 2007, 11:34 pmhttp://www.blizzforums.com/showthread.php?t=10886
Tons of info on that link. A taste of it. smile.gif
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Something I called earlier: Wraiths are back as an anti-air unit. I can't remember their name, but they can switch between a form that attacks air units and a form that intercepts incoming missiles and destroys them. When it transforms, the lasers switch positions. It is a three-pronged aircraft just like the Wraith, but cannot stealth.


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post Aug 5 2007, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(al_segundus @ Aug 4 2007, 10:41 PM)
sorry for off topic..hehehe recently see on youtube about tat starcraft ghost thou..
it`s related to SC2 by any mean..hmm... hmm.gif
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The game is supposed to happen in the aftermath of SC: Brood War. It was planned to be released for the consoles few years back but looks like its been currently on hold or canceled, unlike SC its a third person shooter not RTS.

Even so a novel was released for it: laugh.gif

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post Aug 5 2007, 06:46 PM

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man, im reli looking forward to try out that protoss mothership. waiting for the ultimate weapon of other races too
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post Aug 5 2007, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(Chanwsan @ Aug 5 2007, 06:46 PM)
man, im reli looking forward to try out that protoss mothership. waiting for the ultimate weapon of other races too
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Mothership is kinda lousy now.No more Black Hole,Time bomb and air-to-air attacks.It only have air-to-ground,1 beam planet cracker and a cloaking field.Also,you can build as much mothership as you want and it's cheaper.

I prefer the old Mothership.It more uber than the current one.
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post Aug 5 2007, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Aug 4 2007, 09:42 PM)
Why do terran need drop pods and ships???
Very strange DoW have no drop ship thus drop pods but SC2???
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I think it has the same concept with protoss shuttle and arbiter's recall ability.
Its not like you get both at the same time.They're in diff. position on tech tree. Maybe in some situation it's more effective to use pods than ships.
It gives more versatility and strategic option to the game.
In sc you dont recall Reaver to harass your opponents and you dont mass Shuttle to bring your army to the back of your opponent's base.

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post Aug 5 2007, 09:12 PM

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But then now you do not have a beacon(arbiter) now, so its a different strategy where the beacon can be destroyed.
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post Aug 6 2007, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 5 2007, 07:34 PM)
Mothership is kinda lousy now.No more Black Hole,Time bomb and air-to-air attacks.It only have air-to-ground,1 beam planet cracker and a cloaking field.Also,you can build as much mothership as you want and it's cheaper.

I prefer the old Mothership.It more uber than the current one.
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huh? so they modified it?? aww man, it makes me feel sad. the mothership i saw in the trailer reli rock hell, especially time bomb.

thinking of a lousy mothership, i'd rather get myself carriers
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QUOTE(Chanwsan @ Aug 5 2007, 06:46 PM)
man, im reli looking forward to try out that protoss mothership. waiting for the ultimate weapon of other races too
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I dont think ultimate unit exist in sc. Sc is one of the game where your unit does'nt get obsolete as you progress into the tech tree.
In starcraft you'll find out that every unit pose an importance in certain strategies.
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QUOTE(Chanwsan @ Aug 6 2007, 12:00 AM)
huh? so they modified it?? aww man, it makes me feel sad. the mothership i saw in the trailer reli rock hell, especially time bomb.

thinking of a lousy mothership, i'd rather get myself carriers
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Carriers are back,from what i heard and Tempest are gone now.

I do hope they have that uber Mothership that you only can build one and a rebalanced Black Hole.The current Black Hole is too imba.

QUOTE(RtP|DEV @ Aug 6 2007, 02:10 AM)
I dont think ultimate unit exist in sc. Sc is one of the game where your unit does'nt get obsolete as you progress into the tech tree.
In starcraft you'll find out that every unit pose an importance in certain strategies.
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SC can have ultimate units but it must have a weakness.There shouldnt be any unit that doesnt have weakness in SC.

DC did implement the ultimate unit's idea pretty well and i dont see why Blizzard shouldnt do it for Protoss in SC2.It's a pretty good idea.
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post Aug 6 2007, 06:59 PM

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Hey talking bout weakness I wonder what happened to the EMP I hope 1 epm pulse can shut down the toss mothership.
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post Aug 6 2007, 08:02 PM

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how about upload 20th century computer virus to shut down entire protoss fleet? like the movie "Independence Day"
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post Aug 6 2007, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 6 2007, 06:10 PM)
QUOTE(RtP|DEV @ Aug 6 2007, 02:10 AM)

I dont think ultimate unit exist in sc. Sc is one of the game where your unit does'nt get obsolete as you progress into the tech tree.
In starcraft you'll find out that every unit pose an importance in certain strategies.
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DC did implement the ultimate unit's idea pretty well and i dont see why Blizzard shouldnt do it for Protoss in SC2.It's a pretty good idea.
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This is SC not DC. The real challenge for blizzard is to make a game that'll succeed SC as the greatest RTS ever created. The essence of SC must be there in SC2. So its not just about satisfying ppl whos gonna jump into SC2 bandwagon, they also must satisfy the current SC players/community. There's so much at stake. One mistake SC2 will become the next CS source.

SC is not just about micro, its one of the most macro intensive. You will be expanding a lot and make a horde of army. The army is on more large scale compare to small scale DC army. You cannot say, DC can implement it why not SC2 because the game design is different. One change will affect other area in game design. So imo, having an ultimate unit contradict the very idea of SC design.

QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Aug 6 2007, 06:10 PM)
SC can have ultimate units but it must have a weakness.There shouldnt be any unit that doesnt have weakness in SC.
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Imo the weakness is what made the ultimate unit not ultimate.
Imagine a 20 pop Ultimate which cost a ton and has long buildtime, get Lock'd by a single ghost which cost far less min and pop.
OMG..... ppl will think twice to build that unit. The so called ultimate does'nt seem so strong now. Hahahaha..............
(Ok, i dont follow SC2 dev much and i can be wrong here.)

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post Aug 6 2007, 09:34 PM

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I think my idea of ultimate unit and yours are kinda different.My perception of ultimate unit is it shouldnt be too uber or too unstoppable.Besides,it shouldn't be the unit that destroys everything in a blink of an eye or destroy a large fleet without other unit's support.It must have a weakness and it should be only used as support boost your existing army.Just like how the Mothership work in the Korea demo.

DC implement it properly and i dont see why SC2 cant do that.In DC,dont expect a uber unit like a single Land Raider or Avatar can destroy entire amry.I have killed uber units with T2 units when my opponent is in T4.

Again,it's up to how Blizzard balance it.There is thin line between too powerful and too weak.I have confidence that Blizzard can get this right.

I support the idea of a uber unit in Protoss since it makes Protoss more unique than Terran and Zerg.Zerg must not have any uber units since it spoils the swarm feeling while Terran gets the big Thor that is not too uber.
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post Aug 7 2007, 10:36 AM

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I still think they should change their graphics engine. Heck, i even think the old SC graphics are better looking than the current one.

It is just toooo colourful!

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