Hello. I am going to start working soon. Recently, I went for a job interview in KL and

this company is willing to pay me a range of RM1800 to 2000 for a management trainee position. It is a management trainee program in communication

Now, the cost of me going there and back is only RM3 the most since the office is near the LRT.

I want to know, for a fresh grad, is it enough for me to buy any Next-GEN console with a 26 LCD within a 6 months period?

Console can buy first,

26"?? get installment and go for bigger!

I dun want so big. This is for my room. I found one Panasonic one with 2HDMI and got S-video some more.

This post has been edited by DDSFan8: May 17 2007, 08:55 PM

rm12k. i think it ok to bought the next gen and LCD

rm12k. i think it ok to bought the next gen and LCD

If u keep about 5-6months salary, i think should be enough 2buy 1 single console& a nice lcd tv..No need buy plasma will do the trick...At the same time, the spare cash u can use 2buy games& maintain ur other "expenses". Btw, the company still got offer job for fresh grad?

This post has been edited by alvintan84: May 17 2007, 10:51 PM

The position closed liao. Anyway, I am waiting for them to confirm me la. I like the location of the office.

My first console I am going to buy is PS3 with 2 controllers and 3 games.


This post has been edited by DDSFan8: May 17 2007, 11:03 PM

but u need to ikat perut la hehe.
good good...get ps3 first..no regret

i tot u father going to buy for u

Lemme guess, u haven't found a girlfriend yet?

father buy Wii

earning now is much better from my days + gadget now very high tech.

here is an instant advancement scheme.

hold for few mths, armed with pay in slip go to apply Credit cards from 2 different bank at the same day. virgin holder get instant approval.

now with a budget of RM10k is spending time:-
RM2.5k for console & games
RM4k for LCD
RM1.5k for sound 5.1 system
RM3k for anything else if not throw in for extra inches on LCD.

if just 1 credit card also can but tight budget:-
RM2.5k for console & games
RM1k for dell FWP 24 LCD
sound system as long got minimum optical

now the hurting part for RM10K mthly payment back about RM600 for next 24mths
& RM5k payment back about RM600 for 12 mths.

PS make sure yr new company got plenty of OT work.

I don't need any stereo sound system and I want to pay full in cash. I very kampung I know but credit card, I dun really trust lor

do you heard of 12-24mths interest free via creditcard?

if not got 2 save mthly basis till reach next summer 2008.

games now day - sound is a must especially in FPS where is put you in the scene like watching BD/DVD movie thru mono speaker - mati pun tak tahu.

I need to buy furniture la. Anyway, CIMB VISA card good ah for starters?

Huish, bro you're gonna be living with parents ah? Have you factored other costs of living besides transport (internet, phone, rental, food etc etc)?

Some of our friends here are right - go for a 0% instalment on your LCD purchase, you'll be able to afford a better one with a little less stress on your pocket.

Also remember gaming should never come before survival!

Word of advice. Dont spend more then you have in your account.

You can get credit card you can get 0% installment.

Question is, are you willing to be burdened by all this debts even before you earn much money?

Furthermore, what about food? While you sit home everyday to enjoy your ps3, your friend is out there getting a life.

That aside, are you willing to suffer bread or more everyday? Never put gaming in front of your life.

Do not get into debt for something like this. Buy if you have the capability but not if that means going into debt

My advice: take your time and save and then buy la, what's the rush? As if the console/LCD TV is gonna run away from you.

Thread starter, you are putting down your expenses rather simplistically, and as Lord_Ashe and reveur have pointed out, what about food, internet, phone, and even money to your parents/siblings?

To the rest of you who suggested, talk is cheap, but have you actually put your advice into practice?

aduh~!
haven't confirmed a job and it's already planning to spend all of the salary away.

TS, it's better to stop day dreaming in getting a console and LCD TV within 6 months period, after you start work.

Go land yourself a good solid work first, get your first pay cheque, only then you'll know the reality of working life. By then you might have a second thought of spending all of your hard earned money at one go.

here my piece of advise, dont go for CC dont loan, for ur salary is quite small for living.. calculate ur income - all the cuts, such epf and socso, then - living expenses( food, transportation, rental, bills, entertainment etc) than thats what left of u...

its pain full when u realise ur cash finish by the middle of the month and it even painfull to ralise u cant even pay ur loan since not much left already... so better if u start saving now and i think u can get ur first console after 6 month of saving.. go the hard way instead of the easy way...

this is what i believe, u taste the sweetness first and u will get the bitter part later, but if u taste the bitter part first u will get the sweetness later.. the choice is urs and its ur life .. if u sengsara no one here can help u.. so choose wisely.

Its easy for most of us to suggest that you do this do that. Get this get that. Buy this buy that. Get CC only. EZ.

But as a few of us has mentioned. Life is not as simple. You would think that starting work then you can buy anything you want. In truth, Its not as simple as that.

I have worked for a year and a half and I haven't even dare to think of buying my first console yet. I live a relatively good life. With enough money to be kept every month and a car. But I know if I go into debt for gaming then I am pretty screwed.

If you dont trust what we say. Then at least do this. Work for 2 months. And see for yourself the truth.

Your need before and after you start work will be a different thing. I can't imagine my life without my car and with a console

This post has been edited by reveur: May 18 2007, 10:28 AM

agreed with reveur

with ur measle pay, i suggest u dun do anything stupid

if ur papa buy wii for u, then just stick with the wii 1st

there is more to life than the 26 incher and PS3

Try applying for HSBC, Maybank or Citibank. More outlets will give u benefits with these cards. But only Citibank gives you free for life annual fee waiver.

Live within your means and you will be happier...and remember that patience is virtue`

I know you might feel put off by the replies everyone is giving you but the truth usually hurts.

bro, not onli citibank la. maybank flex, ambank, cimb n eon bank also free for life ler..

I started with RM2300 for my first job, but I work OTs a lot and always have additional RM500 added onto my basic. With my food, lodging, pocket money for parents, car petrol and maintenance and after a 10% increment upon confirmation (6 months probation period), I could only afford to get my first console after 1 and a half years working. And that's only a PS2 with a normal 29" CRT (not even a flat screen). My advice, console is ok but the LCD is an overkill for you. Rather save up money for something else in the future.

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Added on May 18, 2007, 11:51 amBut you don't get as many benefits with other cards. I had EON bank and AMbank previously, but cancelled it already. Plus, Citibank's reward points never expire. Beat that......

This post has been edited by phat_newbie: May 18 2007, 11:51 AM

both also kill u, the lcd can get ard less than 2k now for a 32 incher, non branded

Be careful with CCs ya, I agree with our friends here who say just be careful about committing to a console AND LCD TV - that's a sizable investment.

One thing about CCs is they encourage you to spend money you don't have. Take it easy, if you want, save up for ONE console, get a regular TV, enjoy it and then upgrade. You'll appreciate it more when you have worked a bit and realised how hard it is to earn a living.

I just hope that by December, I can buy PS3 and LCD TV. I also hope for bonus la.

They never mention a full renumeration package since it is first interview but I did ask la the general ones

Bonus by December?

This company really must be making money, or there's something they're not telling you. IINM you won't be eligible for your bonus usually until the next financial year.

at least give me CNY ANG POW!

As per experience. New worker dont get bonus until you worked there at least 1 year. Furthermore. Angpau also tops a few hundred. Dont expect more then 300. Since ur new.

Key Word UR NEW!

I know its disheartening to hear this from us but seriously man. Unless ur up for selling ur PS3 and LCD within 3 months time. Follow their advice for a CC. Get it then u know the harsh harsh truth about reality.

hhaahahhaha, cum in work in jun, expect bonus?
if got pls let me know, i see whether they wanna hire me or not

anyway, just stick with ur wii, ps3 and lcd can come later

frankly, i guess my age is definitely older than u, and im still sticking with a 29 incher CRT

Just asked around.. Apparently. Bonus also after 1 year only MIGHT get.
and Angpau? 100 u also count lucky liao. LOL

So erm. Yeah. Not as pretty as it look eh?

First interview only? Wait 2nd interview and they chop ur salary. then u know. I kena before. SAy wan hire. Then 2nd interview. Chop my price kao kao. Take it or leave it.

For those that care, I leave it

*phat_newbie

reward point is one of the reason that encourage us to spend more using cc . btw i do agree that international bank cc ( citibank, hong kong bank etc) services is better than local banks.

*rx330

Bonus depends on d company. I joined my company in september 2004 and still get the bonus in January 2005. .They pro rate it. But even every year got bonus still not enough money to buy wii .


p/s : but alredi got 'best thing' in life

tabik saiga, pro rata of cos lar...

but the fella like hoping for 6 moons bonus lar

if you have a Gf... gotta replan all the sh*t....
GF expenses is something unexpected ....

This post has been edited by Kite: May 18 2007, 04:59 PM

i think GF expenses is EXPECTED

I am going hard knock on 2000 la. They dare say anything less than the range of 1800 to 2000 I decline lor.

Well my brother, it's not a question of they "dare" or not.

If you decline, there are 10 other people who will say yes. That's just the law of the workplace.

Just don't let the number rule your life. Money isn't everything - quality of life is.

I know what you mean but in life, must not be desperate mah.

"Good things come to those who wait"

Not if you are too arrogant. LAter you will turn out to be desperate. But that depends on what job are you looking for. mind if I ask what are you majoring in and what job are you looking at?

I studied Communications, majored in PR and PCommunication. It's not arrogance. Why be desperate?

Ahh! Communication. Good good. Same line with me then

Sorry i didnt mean to imply ur arrogant. What I meant to say was that, some would interpert it as arrogance.

But as for being desperate. I partly agree lar. Good things come to those that wait. Which is applicable to the PS3 and TV too. no?

I was just about to say that, bro reveur.

I am a K person and also single. I hardly spend money unless I buy the things I want lor.

Ehehe it seems you already made your decision. Well. Good luck man. Tell us how the PS3 with your selected choice of tv fare. Good or not.

One of the reasons for a PS3

don't be afraid, cari makan in KL will be always never enough as we r paying premium prices with tax.

as start, you should get yrself a console as you need not to own a car for work instead of paying car loans + petrol now u r saving the amount for paying entertainment fees.

PS3 on crt tv would be waste, better off with PS2.

yeah that's why I am saving. A lot of people say must save when you get your first job within the first year cause no need to pay tax

Salary below 2.5k no need to pay tax lah. Anyway, assuming your pay is 2k, minus RM220 on your EPF + minus RM60 on your transport, that leaves you with RM1720. Ok lah tu...after 2 months u can get a PS3...2 months later u can get a reasonable branded 32 incher...that is if you drink tap water during lunch and decline breakfast or lunch invites from you colleagues

HAHAHA...I am not that extreme lor. How long does it take for me to receive a credit card after application?

From 2 weeks to 1 month if all goes well. For those who are new in the job market, it will take them a couple of tries and going to different banks before they can get a CC. I'd say the highest credit limit you can get from your kind of salary would be 4k or 5k if the bank is kind enough

Have u ever thought what will happened..if suddenly your employer decided not to confirm your position after several months???? Trust me, gaming is not everything in life....I believe that u r still young...get used fisrt with your spending structure for the first six months..U will never know if one day u will bump into your dream galS(maybe more than one)....

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Added on May 19, 2007, 7:19 amlerrr...racunnnnn.....with all of the details somemore..how many cc do u have then?..lollll

This post has been edited by silencer: May 19 2007, 07:19 AM

I asked them already, they said in 1 to 2 weeks they will contact me. If pass that duration, I find for others la.

Naaa bro...ni bukan racun....just stating the facts heh heh heh . Anyway DDSFan8, you should take Silencer's and others' advice, build your career first lah. Don't get trapped by credit card debts. By the way, don't mind me asking, this company that you're seeking employment, issit a reputable one? I'm a bit skeptical with the term "management trainee". A lot of companies advertise for the mentioned post. End up you do direct selling of cheap China goods for them heh heh heh

it is a global media agency la. Their accounts all deal in millions

Uh huh. So its a reputable company. Well Good luck in your future endeavour with them!

Actually, I dun really care about the salary. More of job progression.

I tot u mentioned on playing hardball on the salary u demanded? So which issit now, salary or job progression?

I think he meant, He dont't really care how much money he have as long as its enough for ps3 and lcd and also he can progress within his job.

Or am I wrong again ar?

I mean, 1800 to 2000 is standard mah. As long as their renumeration package is on the industrial standard, I won't complain.

This post has been edited by DDSFan8: May 19 2007, 08:26 AM

playing ps3 with the indo-chinese? that's so sweet
6 months of salary will do, but i suggest u pay it in installment. All the best.

yeah lor, play with my Bandung boi boi. See him smile will light up my heart

he's working with you or what? sowi, just being kepo kepo

no la. He 2 years younger than me. Still studying lor.

Standard? If there a dozen or more people looking at the same job as you are, and are willing to work for cheaper, you think the prospective employer wants to stick to that "standard rate?"

Don't count your chickens before they're hatched man.

Dude is everyone thing like u work for cheaper price right. The market price for that job will fall man. Then the market dies lor. Demand and supply(economics)...

There are desperate ppl in this world my friend. Mind if I ask Urban, have you joined the corporate working world already?


Edit: Urban, Something for you to chew on. Its the market price . Click Here

This post has been edited by reveur: May 19 2007, 12:51 PM

Did you see the example that I gave, a dozen or more applicants, which is normally the case for FRESH/ENTRY LEVEL positions. You won't find yourself lacking in company when you apply for these sort of positions. Now, you were saying about supply and demand?

you dun need a panasonic lcd for console. just go to carrefore and get the GC or 32in LCD. PS3 expensive and no games to play summore

Nop but in college. Did some research for assigment. When desperate ppl keep want to work for a cheaper pay this will cause the company want to hire cheaper pay ppl to raise their company revenue. So this will cause a lot of frash to get low pay.Then more desperate ppl want to get job some more pay low liao.Then it keep going on and on till pay very less. This is what happening to the Accounting Line. The link u gave is a guide line right?

(p.s: I am not trying to flame here =.=" dont la like scolding me like that)

no one scolding u....everyone expressing their opinions...but I believe if all Malaysian, especially fresh graduates keep demanding on their salaries..we will c tonnes of expatriates from the third world..why not learn to accept that ..there is a ladder they all of us can climb...as an employer...i feel so pissed off..when seeing those fresh graduates resume requesting higher salaries...without thinking that there r abundance supply of unemployed graduates...and retrenched employees...just giving my opinions....

This post has been edited by silencer: May 19 2007, 01:50 PM

Here's my 2 cents......You may think you have it all planned out but life doesn't always turn out the way......You will know when you start working....

@DDSFan8 - I would suggest you save at least 3 months WITHOUT getting any single item for yourself and see how much you actually saves...If you have saved at least 50% of what you intend to save in the 1st place, I doubt you will have the urge to splurge it in 1 go after saving so hard for it.....

@g5sim - No offence but it is very obvious from the way you post your reply to zorocaster that you r not working....What you study is 90% useless in the working world. There will be a time when after searching for a job for a few months that you decide to just lower your expectation and decided to go for any job....A degree doesnt gurantees you a job...It just makes it easier for you to find one....

I actually agree with what you say but there are difference between idealism and reality. It is IDEAL to request for a salary that is high. But the reality is that if you put a high salary, we as employer would have no reason to hire you unless you are REALLY good.

Heck, everyone have a degree. What makes you think yours are more expensive? Quoted from my boss.

That is depandent on individual right? Ppl have their goods and bad. It depants how that guy/girl sell their self to show how expensive are they. Yes everyone who go and find that type of job sure got degree. this is where another facter come to play EQ/Language and experince come to place right?

Define other factors..but kind of agree with u here..if that female candidate is fall under "look can kill" type....i guess..she has that advantage..lol...

What's the point if you do something you hate and for less pay? It will indeed affect you and also the organization right?

Hahaha..I believe this thread has been transformed into an HR discussion..lol

How about if u rephrase your statement... What's the point if you do something u hate and for higher pay??? I guess most of us doing it...lol.....

For me, I do what is relevant to my capabilities and knowledge lor. Think about it, you spend 4 years learning the discipline and suddenly waste it by doing a job that you not only dislike but is completely new to you.

better rename title to "Console or Saving?"

Do what you like la that for sure.... Dont go take something u dont like and go do it. But some case is like u dont like fish but u force yourself to eat fish but some parents want them to eat fish so the children have to eat fish? Correct a not?




OT: LOOKS CAN KILL = Drop death gergeous.... The top 5 accounting firm, 1 of the requiement is handsome/ beautiful... Haha

Edit: Top 4 hahaha 1 Down already

This post has been edited by Urban: May 19 2007, 06:00 PM

what if she leng lui but is lesbian?

^lesbians are like rinkled shirts.. they can be straighten up by using the correct tool like an iron..

u go interview they wont ask u that r u gay or lesbian right?

use a plastic dong dong to st8en them?

Hmm.. I have a theory to try out. This is not a flame or anything but.. Hear me out

Its easy to study in college and gain 4.0. I only need to study hard and take test. How hard can it be? I dare the lecturer to give me less then 4.0 for my work. I am confident my work is worth 4.0.
When meet the lecturer, only need to wear nice nice. Sure can get one
Or if the student is very pretty confirm will get good result one.

Does that sound logical? The reasoning that was given above.

For your info, it's not desperation, its called COMPETITION, or at least it is a much better word.

This post has been edited by zorocaster: May 19 2007, 11:47 PM

That y market value of workers go down.For ppl who is doing is call competition and 4 those who not doing is call desperation.


@reveur

Yes u can get 4.0 and yada yada and no need to wear nice to get 4.0... But would u get a promoter that have a whole face is burn. Reality fizikal is important. Now a days a job is the full package. Language, fizikal looks, EQ , IQ and sports(e.g golf) is a full package.... If u think u can go high wiht just IQ than u are wrong...