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post Jul 13 2019, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Jul 13 2019, 10:53 AM)
To be reli fair..im all open for this enervive deal. Bagi chance lg laugh.gif
Penat asik kena game dgn company luar duk tabur moon and stars...enervive punya deal ni bare the details yg kita tahu so far...nmpk secara kasarnya MP silva 2.0. Just that kerja dia bukan lah kena jual lg sekali broadcast to tv stations. Yg mp silva masa before day 1 aku dah syak kerja bodoh (which at the end of the day proven)

The fact that people keeps mentioning astro means astro gave good deal to users and its simple as that. Benda berbayar dan quality ada. And teams still received the grants. Follow up shows ada..highlights..side news and so on. Maksudnya despite 30mils laid out to MFL /FAM back in 2011 onwards..astro reli set the bar high.

Bukan laid out 50mils..and byk sgt masalah. Mana ada users perlu kisah masalah2 ni in real world. Tapi tu lah the uniqueness of Malaysian football lol .

Few concern at this very initial stage: enervive ni nmpk mcm company kecik..x sure how they can manage this. Expectation is sky high now...manage padang..manage working space..green energy etc.

Camne nak lock in users. Ada study di epl..kerugian boleh mencapai 1juta pound utk per game due to illegal streaming.
https://semuanyabola.com/streaming-haram-bu...iap-perlawanan/
Dah 2 game liga super aku saja bukak youtube..dlm 16-19k viewers. Crazy. Tu baru 1 channel..x sure other channels..stream kat fb and so on.

MFL..enervive..boleh angkat telepon dan call youtube. How they can lock the stream channel. Xsilap aku afc pernah buat channel youtube based on region masa afc u16 lepas. Funny that the game was played in Malaysia..but we cant watch it due to regional lock. Mungkin youtube got many other mechanisms that iam not aware of yg MFL bleh explore.

Perlu igt ye..iflix yg FREE pon org end up pergi youtube. Just means something not right(channel stopped..apps crash etc). There is no OFFICIAL exposures to fans kalau illegal streaming still berterusan. Mcmana iflix nak buktikan kat sponsor aku ada 100k mata tgk each game kalau 20k lari tgk sumber illegal(ni pun 1 game je..imagine 5 games).  Org xpergi sumber illegal kalau it is accessible comfortably...and cheap.

Mcm ephunk ckp..even astro pun dah start letgo cerita2 ppv dia and letgo to youtube and astro on the go.
Berlambak gila cerita2 astro yg view sampai 1- 2 juta kat youtube. Ni official channel astro.

To be honest i disagree channel tersekat2 and non HD is acceptable.
As a heavy sports channel user aku pissed off kalau channel astro sangkut sbb hujan. And HD really matters. Kualiti penyiaran matters. Multiple angle matters.Org nak kualiti esp if u expect ppl to pay for it. Mana boleh pejam sebelah mata. Zaman nak dkt 2020 dah..tv pun makin canggih.
Masih aku igt lg masa astro duk start syiok introduce super slow mo scenes...fuhh best
Benda ni la added value utk liga kita. Camne nak jual kat sponsors kalau camera tang tu je.
Imagine game ganu vs perak final last year disediakan sebegini rupa..pergh..game sedap..accessories pun sedap..

Kualiti penyiaran iflix lari aku syak most likely due to budget je. Lack of angle..komentator pun byk amik "fresh grad" in commentatory...in fact kalau pergi games..lori astro jgk yg sediakan broadcast utk iflix. Just that budget tak sedap mcmana nak dpt banyak angle. (Ni suspicious aku lah)

Just take a look indon punya level. Macam main PES dan fifa oiii
https://youtu.be/Uea0XoxeW-Q
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Firstly, tahniah utk diri sendiri sbab baca sampai habis.

2ndly, good points bro, spot on..
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post Jul 13 2019, 05:26 PM

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I fully understands that exclusive right is not the perfect way to go.

Which is why aku harap enervive pny deal ni jadi lah. Cuma bila pergi website dia eh boleh handle ke ni..risau skit sbb nampak scale company agak kecik.

Also very premature to blast enervive. I reli hope NOT ANOTHER new platform yg kena user subscribe. Bahaya nye ialah org akan go back to illegal streaming spt aku ckp. Bkn masa astro xde masalah ni..ada je..thats why mungkin MFL can work something with youtube for streaming subscription? Ni aku x sure. Or maximize potential iflix la (entah apa jd dgn deal ni...still on ke x?)

Perkara ni pon dh ada study jgk kt US bila terlalu byk streaming servis..last2 konsumer main torrent balik
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3q45v/b...streaming-sites

In the end...
Consumer MUST win. X kira la apa cara sekalipun.
Kalau fans duk kne sembah dgn servis yg x kompeten..maksudnya superficial je lah lock deal 50-70..100 juta ni..sbb nilai tu xleh ditranslate in the league itself.
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post Jul 13 2019, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Jul 13 2019, 05:26 PM)
I fully understands that exclusive right is not the perfect way to go.

Which is why aku harap enervive pny deal ni jadi lah. Cuma bila pergi website dia eh boleh handle ke ni..risau skit sbb nampak scale company agak kecik.

Also very premature to blast enervive. I reli hope NOT ANOTHER new platform yg kena user subscribe. Bahaya nye ialah org akan go back to illegal streaming spt aku ckp. Bkn masa astro xde masalah ni..ada je..thats why mungkin MFL can work something with youtube for streaming subscription? Ni aku x sure. Or maximize potential iflix la (entah apa jd dgn deal ni...still on ke x?)

Perkara ni pon dh ada study jgk kt US bila terlalu byk streaming servis..last2 konsumer main torrent balik
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3q45v/b...streaming-sites

In the end...
Consumer MUST win. X kira la apa cara sekalipun.
Kalau fans duk kne sembah dgn servis yg x kompeten..maksudnya superficial je lah lock deal 50-70..100 juta ni..sbb nilai tu xleh ditranslate in the league itself.
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Bg aku simple je.

Consumer/fans must win - every single match or at least 80% must be broadcasted live. Kalau astro got exclusive right, maximum die akan bagi based on history is 2 matches + ikhsan kat rtm . So roughly 33%. x ckup utk expose the undertable team utk fans dorg. Utk kita pnye football scene yg kenegerian kat malaysia ni mmg nonsense nak expect org muar nak gi JB every week, or besut or kemaman nak gi KT every week or org tanjung malim pegi ipoh.

Utk aku yg die hard fan ni boleh tgk live and ulangan kat iflix every single week is a huge luxury. Boleh kenal team and players, gameplay style week to week. Constant engagement. And bila ko kenal players semangat nak balik kampung gi stadium tu lg kuat. Nak beli merchandise jersey bagai lagi kuat. Mcm taun ni, aku quite surprise attendance utk ganu for example is quite good even though ddk midtable je.

For team to move forward and be sustainable - need sponsor. Most sponsor nak satu bnd je. Exposure..exposure tru airtime, stadium ads and merchandise ads. Tp yg plg valuable always airtime sbb itu maximum exposure at least utk org negeri tu plus opponent utk mlm tu . So team kecik2 or miskin nk tarik sponsor kena dpt airtime. Maximum airtime for the year. Itu je cara plg legit utk dpt duit.

Mslh dgn astro ni..diorg nak survive. So investment 50 juta utk dpt exclusivity ni make sense bg dorg. Itu yg aku takut. Sbb itu at the expense of small small team dlm liga.


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post Jul 13 2019, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Jul 13 2019, 06:22 PM)
Bg aku simple je.

Consumer/fans must win - every single match or at least 80% must be broadcasted live. Kalau astro got exclusive right, maximum die akan bagi based on history is 2 matches + ikhsan kat rtm . So roughly 33%. x ckup utk expose the undertable team utk fans dorg. Utk kita pnye football scene yg kenegerian kat malaysia ni mmg nonsense nak expect org muar nak gi JB every week, or besut or kemaman nak gi KT every week or org tanjung malim pegi ipoh.


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Yg ni aku stuju and sadly..the reality is small teams will never survive in M league. Terpaksa kena terima hakikat yg M league is a state based league . Buat la mcmana pun. Kelantan united M3 vs Kelantan FA m2. Pelik but this is another story all together..
And this has "force" our market to become even smaller.

Again i reli hope enervive and mfl didnt crush this plan either. Dah la liga makin x kompetitif due to J....the idea of not giving the rights to broadcaster sebenarnya dh ckup bagus tp aku still bg benefit of doubt that this is due to our inexperience to handle these things. Bagi can lg la bg aku laugh.gif

Aku x sure la epl brp game sebenarnya live even aku pnh baca malaysian lg byk dpt epl live broadcast berbanding org UK sndr but this is rely unfair klu nak compare market kita.
Dorg selang bbrp kilometre dh ada another team and big stadium dah pun.

Mcm ko ckp mcmana org besut nk g KT every week.
Heck even aku pon from shah alam only spent on 1 match for selangor last year kt cheras....dek memikirkan kerja gila nak rush federal hway oiii x payah lah


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post Jul 16 2019, 09:08 AM

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kalau semangat kenegerian kuat sgt guna je sistem yg sama dgn MLS atau A-League.. tak ada promotion & relegation... tapi ketatkan syarat perlesenan team2 yg berpangkalan kat setiap negeri ni dan wajibkan setiap pasukan ada proper akademi... kalau ada 14 pasukan utk liga utama pun dah ok aku rasa...

pastu wujudkan liga amatur bawah sistem ni untuk kelab2 yang bukan state base dan dibawahnya wujudkan proper under age league...
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post Jul 17 2019, 10:14 AM

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Undi world cup qualifying today....

Best case :

Japan
Krgyz
Taiwan
MALAYSIA
Guam.
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I think commercial value of the league dah drop significantly selepas boom SEA GAME 09, SUZUKI CUP 10, ASTRO ARENA, IMPORT BAN, RED WORRIO, LIONS12...

Aku rasa masa ni value liga yg ASTRO bayar juta2 tu memang worth it untuk derang rating mencanak2..sosial media engagement... boleh compete EPL

Semua down to hell selepas MP Silva..

Liga dah jadi boring gila..jdt pon struggle nak tarik penonton...

Even page ni pon dah slow...

Sebab walaupun kualiti bertambah, competetiveness liga dah berkurang.... one team je menang setiap tahun ..siap boleh target unbeaten gi..(yeay PJ CITY)..

I think we should invite lions 12 back...

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post Jul 17 2019, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Jul 17 2019, 10:14 AM)
Undi world cup qualifying today....

Best case :

Japan
Krgyz
Taiwan
MALAYSIA
Guam.
..................

I think commercial value of the league dah drop significantly selepas boom SEA GAME 09, SUZUKI CUP 10, ASTRO ARENA, IMPORT BAN, RED WORRIO, LIONS12...

Aku rasa masa ni value liga yg ASTRO bayar juta2 tu memang worth it untuk derang rating mencanak2..sosial media engagement... boleh compete EPL 

Semua down to hell selepas MP Silva..

Liga dah jadi boring gila..jdt pon struggle nak tarik penonton...

Even page ni pon dah slow...

Sebab walaupun kualiti bertambah, competetiveness liga dah berkurang.... one team je menang setiap tahun ..siap boleh target unbeaten gi..(yeay PJ CITY)..

I think we should invite lions 12 back...
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betul... aku tengok throw back bola malaysia kat astro masa liga kita takde import meriah jugak stadium walaupun perlawanan liga yg biasa je...

aku rasa tak salah kalau invite team dari singapore utk memeriahkan liga... tapi biar invite kelab genuine.. bukan kelab yg diwujudkan semata2 utk compete dalam mleague... contohnya kita invite home united ke, tampines rovers ke... dan kelab2 ni kalau nak bertanding dlm liga perlu mengikut sistem... kena mula dari liga m3/liga FAM... bukan terus ke liga super...
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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Jul 17 2019, 10:14 AM)
Undi world cup qualifying today....

Best case :

Japan
Krgyz
Taiwan
MALAYSIA
Guam.
..................

I think commercial value of the league dah drop significantly selepas boom SEA GAME 09, SUZUKI CUP 10, ASTRO ARENA, IMPORT BAN, RED WORRIO, LIONS12...

Aku rasa masa ni value liga yg ASTRO bayar juta2 tu memang worth it untuk derang rating mencanak2..sosial media engagement... boleh compete EPL 

Semua down to hell selepas MP Silva..

Liga dah jadi boring gila..jdt pon struggle nak tarik penonton...

Even page ni pon dah slow...

Sebab walaupun kualiti bertambah, competetiveness liga dah berkurang.... one team je menang setiap tahun ..siap boleh target unbeaten gi..(yeay PJ CITY)..

I think we should invite lions 12 back...
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problem dia... dari 3 import naik 4 import... lepas tu naik 5 import... dengan natrulisasi lagi + 5 import... akhirnya dalam team ada 2-3 org je local... lepas tu lawan team ada 5 import (tu pun kalau import tak injurd)... lepas tu salahkan kelab lain tak nak buat lebih baik... mmg la kelab lain tu problem... dengan undang2 yang bagi given advantage kat satu-satu team... liga jadi takde fight...
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post Jul 17 2019, 12:13 PM

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Draw pukul 5pm. Tak sabar ni tgk team mana dlm group. Harap pot 5 & 3 team yg blh makan.

Team 1 & 2 tak kisah team mana.
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post Jul 17 2019, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(stillriver80 @ Jul 17 2019, 12:48 PM)
betul... aku tengok throw back bola malaysia kat astro masa liga kita takde import meriah jugak stadium walaupun perlawanan liga yg biasa je...

aku rasa tak salah kalau invite team dari singapore utk memeriahkan liga... tapi biar invite kelab genuine.. bukan kelab yg diwujudkan semata2 utk compete dalam mleague... contohnya kita invite home united ke, tampines rovers ke... dan kelab2 ni kalau nak bertanding dlm liga perlu mengikut sistem... kena mula dari liga m3/liga FAM... bukan terus ke liga super...
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Ada baiknya juga tu. Nak lg sedap invite team dpmm jugak.

Kira ada 3 awaydays yg menarik. Seberang tambak, sabah & brunei.

Liga ni bagi aku bosan sbb kompetitif antara teams untuk no 1 tu takde. Awal musim siap blh agak dah jdt akan konker. Kalau teams lain maintain gitu je mmg 40 musim la jdt saja menang liga. Tak cukup bintang dah nak letak pada logo kelab

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post Jul 17 2019, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(juragan_19 @ Jul 17 2019, 12:28 PM)
Ada baiknya juga tu. Nak lg sedap invite team dpmm jugak.

Kira ada 3 awaydays yg menarik. Seberang tambak, sabah & brunei.

Liga ni bagi aku bosan sbb kompetitif antara teams untuk no 1 tu takde. Awal musim siap blh agak dah jdt akan konker. Kalau teams lain maintain gitu je mmg 40 musim la jdt saja menang liga. Tak cukup bintang dah nak letak pada logo kelab
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betul... mcm kelab2 dari wales yg bertanding dalam liga inggeris...
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post Jul 17 2019, 03:10 PM

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https://semuanyabola.com/subkhiddin-anggap-...sepak-tempatan/

subkhidin ada point juga di situ... kalau pengadil tempatan kita tak cukup kualiti tanggungjawab kita utk tingkatkan kualiti pengadil tempatan... tapi nak tgk juga mcmana pengadil luar ni adili final piala FA nnt...
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post Jul 17 2019, 05:21 PM

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belum apa2 hal dah kena jumpa indon kahkahkah cantikk

Edited : Singapore Thai Malaysia Vietnam

kahkahkah sial ASEAN bersatu
kemon we can do this

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post Jul 17 2019, 05:32 PM

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F&%$ ,

Benda yang aku taknak dah jadi nyata, Malaysia satu grouping dgn negara Asean lain. Dah la sampai empat negara sekali dalam satu group adoi la.
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post Jul 17 2019, 06:02 PM

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Damn..anti climatik....basically AFF Semifinal + UAE...

Group A and B nampak sedap..untung btol pinoy...naik lagi la ranking derang..

Konpius la match aff tahun depan...jumpa team samaa jer...

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post Jul 17 2019, 06:19 PM

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Harom betul gruping. Ade bookie letak bola panas bola sejuk ke.

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post Jul 17 2019, 06:21 PM

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Basically group kita paling balance dari yg lain. Top 2 dalam tangan kalau menang smua game Home.

Bagus juga awayday ke Indon first match. kalau menang, konfem players bersemangat utk ganyang UAE di SNBJ
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post Jul 17 2019, 06:43 PM

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As a fan this is not a favourable group ..aku nak jgk merasa lwn korea ke..japan ke ozzie ke..uzbek ke

Dpt pak arab pun uae lak

Tp pretty sure TCH is fine w this drawing.
Takde team yg dia xleh read taktikal...no unknown territories..unknown weather problems that they have to deal with

On paper fav is UAE and THAI.
Very very important to steal atleast 4 pts from THAI..

Also this is a make or break for TCH. No room to hide. MUST QUALIFY asian cup
Aff cup tu postpone je lah

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Fark la...bangang betui tgk grouping
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post Jul 17 2019, 06:58 PM

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dengan yakin sebagai pemerhati bolasepak nasional
Thailand & Malaysia akan ke peringkat seterusnya rclxms.gif

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