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exhauster
post May 6 2018, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(arubin @ May 6 2018, 03:45 PM)
I am honestly hoping that gets implemented soon so we don't have all these fucking miners raising GPU prices through the roof.
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To be honest, they are already implemented, its just that different coin has different algorithm
E.g. cryptonite, sha256, so on and so on
Hence different use different things to mine likr asic gpu cpu
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post May 6 2018, 05:15 PM

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Actually this is a great idea...
then we can vote anywhere in the world
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post May 6 2018, 05:20 PM

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Ya, when you control the majority of the nodes.

Because data centres have to be MSC certified, the proper way to threaten is revoke their license unless they "harmonise" with the government servers icon_idea.gif

QUOTE(MarioKart @ May 6 2018, 02:54 PM)
Because you CANT CHEAT with blockchain.

Deswei.
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post May 6 2018, 05:25 PM

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buy buy buy.
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post May 6 2018, 05:25 PM

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if i can control more than half of the computing power, means i can alter the nodes, means i can cheat la
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post May 6 2018, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ May 6 2018, 02:51 PM)
Yes, blockchain can be used and is one of the most effective solution to ensure fair voting without manipulation.

The question should be, why no govt wants to implement it?
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Because it is decentralized and not under their control. sweat.gif
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post May 6 2018, 05:38 PM

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u expect 33 million people to understand blockchain and utilize it?...
yall delusional
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post May 6 2018, 05:43 PM

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Cannot lah, later it will be Bersih, jujur Dan amanah. Cannot have that.
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post May 6 2018, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(iSean @ May 6 2018, 05:30 PM)
Because it is decentralized and not under their control.  sweat.gif
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That my friend is exactly the answer.

So yes, blockchain is a real solution if governments really wanted free and fair elections but it will never get implemented because governments don’t want a truly free and fair election.
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post May 6 2018, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(crumpetss @ May 6 2018, 05:38 PM)
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u expect 33 million people to understand blockchain and utilize it?...
yall delusional
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You do not need to fully understand blockchain to use it as a means for voting. Are you saying all 33 million people currently fully understands our existing voting/polling system?

You just need to setup a blockchain, setup the client in a user friendly interface like a website and get people to vote on the site. Simple enough.

Heck, you think everyone in crypto understands blockchain 100% ? Most of us only know how to transfer coins between different addresses. That’s a fact.
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post May 6 2018, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(Subang Nuclear Reactor @ May 6 2018, 05:25 PM)
if i can control more than half of the computing power, means i can alter the nodes, means i can cheat la
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If it’s that simple btc blockchain would have been taken over by bch already.
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post May 6 2018, 06:02 PM

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Not really anonymous during distribution of coins to voters.
You'll need to show IC for verification before ballot papers begin given.
Same goes for vote coin. They'll need your wallet address (so that it won't go to someone else wallet) and match your IC (make sure you are citizen).

Then you'll need many hard forks for dun and palimentery seats. You surely don't want kl registered to send coins to Johor dun candidates.
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post May 6 2018, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(Rusty Nail @ May 6 2018, 06:02 PM)
Not really anonymous during distribution of coins to voters.
You'll need to show IC for verification before ballot papers begin given.
Same goes for vote coin. They'll need your wallet address (so that it won't go to someone else wallet) and match your IC (make sure you are citizen).

Then you'll need many hard forks for dun and palimentery seats. You surely don't want kl registered to send coins to Johor dun candidates.
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1 area 1 coin oh wai...

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post May 6 2018, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ May 6 2018, 05:58 PM)
You do not need to fully understand blockchain to use it as a means for voting. Are you saying all 33 million people currently fully understands our existing voting/polling system?

You just need to setup a blockchain, setup the client in a user friendly interface like a website and get people to vote on the site. Simple enough.

Heck, you think everyone in crypto understands blockchain 100% ? Most of us only know how to transfer coins between different addresses. That’s a fact.
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i mean that do u think that people could so easily adopt the tech, the fact that you have to access a computer to vote already eliminates half of the population from voting with blockchain (elders and paranoid people), not mentioning that our gov have to learn and implement the tech (which by a glance over our beloved MCC can tell might not be so easy). Speaking of implementing, the mechanism is gonna be horrendous, first how do you identify the voter? security is the major concern here, you cant just simply key in IC and be done. It doesn't mean that voting with blockchain is impossible but right now we are not prepared yet, maybe in the future.
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post May 6 2018, 06:26 PM

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whatever system you implement as long as manage by BN.
people won't believe.
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post May 6 2018, 07:45 PM

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If you can generate new coins, what makes you think they can't generate new votes.

Maybe don't even need banggalah anymore. laugh.gif
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post May 6 2018, 08:40 PM

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Short answer: You do not need blockchain to perform a cryptographic "End-to-end auditable" voting protocol. You probably meant that cryptographic protocol instead of blockchain, in that case, the big challenge is to convince all voters that the execution of the protocol results in fair election.
End of short answer.

The original meaning of blockchain is restricted to open, permissionless, censorship resistant blockchain. Later, "permissioned blockchain" came into the scene. In my opinion, permissioned blockchain is bullshit. I could be wrong here due to some unforeseen use cases, but in all cases I have seen, if you can replace "blockchain" with "database" you don't need blockchain. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMEOKDVXlUo

The essence of blockchain is permissionless without central authority. The vision that I have in 2009 is that peers can achieve consensus without trusting each other. Consensus is achieved through block reward mechanism among peers without central authority. The reward mechanism is in fact the core idea of blockchain leading to consensus achieved through game theory. The importance of openness cannot be understated - open blockchain is akin to internet, permissioned blockchain is just a closed walled garden intranet. If you think internet is cool technology, take away the openness and censorship resistant feature, let the government maintain all content, then you are left with useless thing that is not even an internet.

In the context of Malaysian voting, you need at least the JPN's (or SPR) database to have a list of eligible voters. Therefore JPN becomes the central authority. There is no need for blockchain to execute end-to-end auditable voting in this setting. Instead, SPR will just need to publish some data for the public to verify and each voter will see that his own vote is taken into account. Remember, blockchain is about openness and this is contradictory if you just want Malaysians to vote because the blockchain does not differentiate between Malaysians and non-Malaysians. You can do global scale voting on blockchain but it does not have the concept of "one person one vote." The blockchain is by design easy for one person to act as multiple person. The technical term for this is Sybil attack. This is not a problem on Bitcoin because it is perfectly okay for one participant to own multiple Bitcoin addresses. On the other hand, voting on blockchain will most likely result in votes weighted by the value of tokens owned by each individuals.

I can see a link between voting and blockchain, which is timestamping and permanent record. In case you didn't know, anyone can use a timestamping service for the Bitcoin blockchain free of charge, https://originstamp.org/
The weakest link in gaining trust is still people need to trust SPR/JPN central authority and this cannot be solved by blockchain.

Back to the basics, what the voters want is a cryptographic protocol that can satisfy the following properties:
1) An individual voter must be able to verify that his vote is taken into account accurately.
2) His vote is secret and cannot be deduced from the result.
3) Only eligible voters can vote and each of them can cast at most one vote.
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post May 6 2018, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(exhauster @ May 6 2018, 02:49 PM)
It can but phantom voter is nt going to work
So it can't be implemented
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this

seriously, we got a website to submit our income tax... not sure why cant use the same platform for online voting

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QUOTE(LamboSama @ May 6 2018, 06:26 PM)
whatever system you implement as long as manage by BN.
people won't believe.
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can be audited easily
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post May 7 2018, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(Boldnut @ May 6 2018, 06:20 PM)
1 area 1 coin oh wai...
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Yup, there'll be lots of coins types to be created.

I've just thought of one thing. With Blockchain voting, the results is near instant.

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