Tumpang Thread...
For hunter
1 Agi =AP?
how many AP = 1 dps?

1 Agi = 1 AP
Forgot how many RAP = 1 DPS though ><

After playing shaman for 2 years...all i can say is (I PVP MORE KEEP IN MIND)

Resto. can survive againest rogues - making rogues complaning. And can do decent healing.

Elemental keep your distance and you'll do fine, try to kill ur enemies as fast as you can. ( Seen some as engineers and made things to stun their enemies u might want to consider this to keep ur distance. )

Enchancement get good equipment and you'll do fine. Other then this play and learn.

Learn to play them....

My experince with other classes

Warriors can't heal themselves...... Only bandages can heal u while fighting if u can spare the time in a fight. No healer and we have a problem.

Rogues are cheap and easy to learn but PVE your not in demand. Learn to hide and run before u die. We can kill shamans without getting hurt sometimes (ele, enchance only)

I don't believe all classes should be balance to each other when it comes to pvp but i do believe one class should be the weakness of another.

OMG a shaman QQing , relax bro , i am a druid and we have the most right to QQ after being the least played class in the game. Now i can say our cat form rocks , but we are not as great and shamans are still good. Wait for the patch it should be ok. Take this from a druid , we got nerfed the most and we are the least played class in the game. If you done believe me play av , you would max see 5 druids , but overall i am the only one in the Eye of the storm , usually near top but honestly relax and see how things go.

Hybrids have lousy dps gear selection in SSC onwards. Hence the QQ mainly. True story.

The Shamatrix:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.h...6140344&sid=1#0

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Added on May 19, 2007, 8:30 pmI know how terrible Druids were... my second main was a Druid (70 now too). I remember the days of 31 point Balance is Hurricane and 31 point Restoration is Innervate; both of which now became standard trainable skills. I also remember the movies by Ferahgo and RubiX who demonstrated that Druids could be so much more during those old days.

Yeah I was waiting for a patch like that for Shamans. Druids got their trees overhauled and major changes in their class review. I am not "QQing" as you said (refer to my previous saying I only brought it up coz people said Shamans are fine l2p etc), I'm just outlining the fact that Shamans never gotten a full class review. We shared one with Mages. Actually it was Mages who QQed about being the last class to review, and both ended up getting half done

Most of us Shamans have relaxed for quite some time but the recent Stoneclawlol totem change and the upcoming Elemental Focus nerf and Windfury fix without giving us anything else in return seemed to be the last straw that blew up in Tseric's face o.O

This post has been edited by ray123: May 19 2007, 08:30 PM

BUSSSHOCCKKK!!!!

A bus hits you from behind and deals 99999 dmg.
You die.

Nerf Shaman.

Lol. Drink a mana pot more? U got windfury fixed not nerfed. Warriors got flurry nerfed to 25% hm? Not allowing enrage n deathwish to stack cos tool whine about getting 2-3 shotted in pvp. We take 20% more dmg(deathwish + berserker stance) from spells more than any other class (so called plate) and with that much incoming dmg, i wanna 2-3 shot ppl with my tier 2 blacksmith weapon which cost a bomb to make and way more time consuming(12 nethers hello) than any tailor noob. I would say every class over the time has gain something appealing or buffed like cloak of SKILL n wtf PVP GLOVES??, blessed resilience n lol shadow priests enuf said (ya i know u got a slight nerf), warlocks enuf said, invisibility iceblock, lol cyclone, haha paladins, bloodlust and i dun have a clue about hunter.
I'm no pro at any other class, its just off my head from pvp n pve experience. I've played my warrior for 2 yrs and practically every patch we get a nerf bat cos its alwaz "hey i got 2 shotted by this warrior", "hey fury warrior outdps me". Come late in TBC when T2 blacksmithing weapons were available same shit all over again.

We still have the same f***in skills available to us everytime but gotta nerf us. Dun even start with spell reflect cos firstly it needs 25 freaking rage and requires a shield. Y can't we just get tactical mastery as a trainable talent like freakin innervate. Warriors QQed for a yr and it was changed from a 5POINT talent to 3POINT talent moved to protection tree lol. And yeah weapon swap eats a GCD + changing stance. LOL.

I admit some of the nerfs are warranted. But in all honesty its mainly due to the itemisation especially weapons. But hey y not just nerf out talents right? lol. so sick of this bullshit. U see a blue gear warrior drained life by a lock but hey when the T2 blacksmith weapon comes out, they still win but cry "f*** ur ms hits me for 3k".

After playing a warrior for 2yrs n just see it get nerfed n nerfed, the initial overwhelming PVP experience has already worn out. I know i should just adapt to the surroundings n get used to it right (L2P right?) but its just not more "kick".
(I'm loved PVP and i have 80+k honor kills to my name and i've stop pvp close to half a year except for the occasional arenas )

Thats y i became a pve tank noob. Sucks on farming side, but hey privileges of being a MT, guild bank sponsors and more phat loot!

P.S - not intended to flame any1 but QQ on blizz. Viewing the quoted post sparked my "WoW" side to vent its frustration. Oh and i feel much better now hahaha.

wow pvp is balanced towards group pvp, and warriors paired with priest/shaman/paladin (maybe even druid) is retarded. even after the so called mass nerfings and still more nerfings, its still retarded.

Elemental mana efficiency. Meaning PVE. Meaning the Shaman who is specced in helping out the raid by maintaining DPS and giving the uber Totem of Wrath (lol) to the group. As said, if the standard Searing Totem can be better than Totem of Wrath, that leaves DPS, since Elemental has no synergies with other classes unlike Enhancement whose auto-attacks can proc buffs for melee classes. Now they are going to nerf Elemental Focus, which was a key to long-term DPS. But hey, if your raid doesn't use Elemental Shamans, that means it's all alright in your world.



Please see what I wrote: "upcoming Elemental Focus nerf and Windfury fix".

Shamans retained their 30% because we don't have instant melee attacks, except Stormstrike which is a 31 point talent and is normalized. Actually there are rumors already saying ours will be nerfed to 25% as well

You can blame Pat PvP Video 2 for this lol, wayyyy back at the 52 talent point bug.

I agree with everything you said. Now compare them to what I've said:

-Itemization sucks ass for everybody.
-Some classes got far more better "toys" in TBC.
-I played my Shaman for 2 years, like your Warrior.
-Like your Warrior, every patch Shamans got nerfed as well, because it's always "hey I got 3-shotted by a triple Windfury crit" and "omfg this Shaman just instant cast 2 spells in a row and crit killed me (Trinket+NS+EM+Chain Lightning and Earth Shock)".
-We still use the same damn spells from release: people still whine about Grounding Totem, Earthbind and Windfury.
-We gave our feedback to a CM who went missing during our class review (Eyonix: "Sorry guys I was sick for a month btw Dev says no changes for you sorry") and we still have crappy talents like Toughness and Shield Mastery in our melee dps tree (Tseric: "Wear a shield while meleeing for damage mitigation"). We still need 5/5 in improving Mana/Health Spring totems to get Mana Tide (lol 5/5 to improve Mana Spring from 14 mp5 to 17 mp5...)
-Goddamn totems are still ranged limited (20 yards, 30 yards talented compared to 30/40 for Paladin Auras). It was a shitty mechanic in AQ40 where most boss fights were mobile, and it is still shitty now.
-Frost Shock still the only snare on DR.

Thus I reiterate: I know other classes got problems, but don't dismiss ours so lightly. I only defended Shamans because someone said L2P.