Cuase many of you all saying that shaman is useless after the patch.
Then isit aliance shaman is useless?so as horde?

Expansion adding shaman for alliance and paladin for horde

Shaman useless
Paladin give benefit to horde haha~

man, no class in WoW or whatsoever game is useless...

Shamans are just crying because this patch is the first ever patch that Blizz seriously nerfs them. And it not even nerfing the entire class, just the enhancement tree.

Like williamlee said, no class in WoW is useless. Learn to play it right and adjust yourself to a suitable play style.

You seriously think this will be the first patch we're getting a serious nerf only?

Please do look back and see how many times Blizzard nerf us without letting us know in the patch notes as well as how badly our WF was nerfed compared to the earlier days.

We aren't crying. We're asking for a fix to our class as of right now we have no idea what Blizzard is trying to do to our class. They buff our ele talent only to nerf it in the next patch

warriors literally get nerfed every patch. qq on the forums also no use. get over it.

how did warriors come up in a post about shamans?

cos i felt like it. haha.

What. Are you playing WoW from several versions ago? Enhancement was changed months ago (Windfury 800 AP bonus reduced by half). The next patch is nerfing Elemental (Elemental Focus bonus from 100% to 60%).

In exchange we get fixed Trainer Animations. Whee.

Put it this way. The thing that made Shamans scary in the past: Burst Damage. It's been nerfed, because everyone else has more health and more ways to counter/survive.

It's the same thing for Warlocks. Pre-TBC Warlocks have as much hp as Warriors, but with TBC gear their hp now are about the same as mages. Not that I am saying Warlocks have much to complain about, but the stamina inflation in current gear meant burst damage and killing someone in a few seconds (something Shamans did very well previously) is no longer viable.

This post has been edited by ray123: May 15 2007, 12:02 PM

They shouldn't have nerfed the enhancement tree imo.

I'm so loving enhancement now and it's getting nerfed gg.

Shamans get nerfed every patch. It's the truth and it's not "literally". Heck we didn't even get a class review (hence the Bus Shock thingy).

Recently some 300 of us Shamans made level 1 alts and made a line of dead corpses from the Durotar starting zone all the way to the bonfire in Ogrimmar. Not as devastating as the Warriors QQ crashing servers, eh?

Imo, shamans are fine. People who QQ should just learn to play.

QFT, but imho shamans could definitely use some tweakings. especially in the enhancement part. and some improvement *a bit* in the resto part and they are good.

You guys don't get it. It's never about the damage or healing output we could do (which the nerfs nerfs are affecting). It's about not getting new skills to help us -survive-. In TBC we get... two new Elemental pets on 20 minute cooldowns and Bloodlust, on a 10 minute cooldown.

Combine the fact that we are given nerfs without being getting adjusted in other areas; thats the reason Shamans are asking for a change.

yay endless rage,rampage,devastate.

this guy wins, lol.

to ray: if you think ur class, or a particular class is screwed the most, you prolly need to broaden a bit on ur perspective. every class have their own problems.

What i would do just to get cloak of skill i mean shadows. /sigh.

Endless Rage (Arms), Rampage (Fury) and Devastate (Protection) are 41 point talents. Honestly I don't know much about Warriors (only played mine to 26 waaaaaaaay back when shields, misses and parries give no rage), but I believe new talent trees for each class were introduced before the TBC release.

Fire Elemental, Earth Elemental and Bloodlust were given at TBC. Also given were Water Shield (whee 120 mana x3) and Wrath of Air totem (finally something from us to boost caster DPS).

I am not sure of the Warrior equivalents. Intervene? Spell Reflection? Victory Rush? Commanding Shout?

you'll get it when you cut your own wrists enough

yes. Awesome aint it.

I did not deny the problems of other classes (none were brought up in this thread anyway), so you don't need to deny/underestimate the problems of the Shaman class. How is it we're not the most screwed; when we only got half a class review together with Mages pre-TBC, but Mages got more changes later on. Where's ours? Do I need to remind you of the Stoneclaw totem change?

I don't know man. There has to be a reason for the Shaman population to decrease (realm info, wowcensus, etc) after TBC despite Alliance access to the class in the expansion.

Personally I think all hybrid classes got screwed royally.

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Added on May 15, 2007, 2:42 pmAgain, I don't know exactly how "awesome" they are. All I'm saying are the Shaman equivalents really suck donkey balls. 20 minute cooldowns meant the Elementals can't even be used in the Arena.

This post has been edited by ray123: May 15 2007, 02:42 PM