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6UE5T
post Apr 23 2018, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Apr 22 2018, 06:59 PM)
I’m giving my feedback here to those who are contemplating on getting either Yokohama Fleva V701 OR Hankook Ventus V12 evo 2. Hence, allow me to give my 2 pennies worth as I have used BOTH tyres!

Yokohama Fleva V701 (used for 1 year, below 7K kms)
- quietness 5/10
It’s quite quiet at first when you install (I do mean quite only) but the tyre noise gets louder as the tyre ages to the point where the tyres are no longer considered as QUIET tyres as most people proclaims.

- grip 5/10
Did some rounds to GENTING and the tyres just squeals as almost every corner. Not so confidence here.

- wet grip 7/10
Well, perhaps it shines here but not by much as I didn’t encounter any aquaplanning.

- comfort 6.5/10
Because of the stiffer side walls (at least to my point of view) the comfort is sacrificed a little here.

Overall 5.5/10
With the price below the premium tyres such as PS4 etc, it’s quite predictable that you don’t expect much from these tyres. What annoys me the most is the tyre noise. I used to use S drive last time and I had to change the tyres after 2K kms because of the unbearable road noise. I must say that these Fleva which is a replacement of S drive is not much better.
Hankook Ventus V12evo2 K120 (used for 6 months, below 4K kms)
- quietness 8/10
Now I know that some test shown that the Fleva and V12 dB is about the same but I feel that the V12s are much quieter tyres.

- grip 7/10
Good grip no drama here. Although I have not tried going up GENTING but I did a high speed test and it performs well.

- wet grip 7/10
Although some users commented that these tyres don’t perform well in wet, I believe it’s about the same as Fleva. So, am satisfied with it.

- comfort 7.5/10
The side walls are perhaps a tad less stiff than Fleva. Hence, comfort is better. It absorbs uneven roads better.

Overall 7.5/10
I’m comparing both Fleva and V12s here and I find that the V12s are a tad cheaper than Fleva but it performs much better than Fleva. Therefore, I would recommend buyers who are in a dilemma on choosing V12s or Fleva, just go for V12s.
Disclaimer : My comments above is based on my own personal usage and is not paid by any companies to promote or discuss on their tyres.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Nice reviews! thumbsup.gif I'm using the V12E2 now but not eager to try the Fleva as I already suspected it would not be as good, so finally somebody confirms what I thought so too. The Fleva also has not done well (or even bad) in the limited tests that was done on it in Europe (by Autobild). Considering the price though I'd score the V12E2 higher than yours, maybe somewhere around 8-8.5. smile.gif
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post Apr 23 2018, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(SZaid @ Apr 23 2018, 12:17 PM)
Thinking of replacing my Potenza RE003 with V12 Evo2. But you are saying that wet handling is great but its cons is aquaplaning. I thought aquaplaning happens when driving on wet road.
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Aquaplaning resistance is just 1 aspect of wet performance, which is how the tire behaves when going thru some water puddles. This is usually determined by the treads where those that have many cuts and big water grooves should perform better on this area but consequently sacrifices dry grip as there are less rubber blocks to contact the road and the blocks are also have more movement under load. Narrower tires also will give better aquaplaning resistance than wider ones.

Then there is also wet grip and behavior on wet roads when there's no water puddles. Most of the time when driving on wet roads, you don't often go thru water puddles right? So this handling behavior is also as important if not more. Usually this is achieved more by the compound and probably construction too that allow to grip on wet surfaces better. Higher performance tires usually excel in this area even though some are able to mix/combine both almost equally. Last time PS3 was well known to be excellent or the best at aquaplaning resistance BUT not necessarily the best also at wet handling when got not water puddles, and then certainly was not the best at ultimate dry performance (coz it has big water grooves making the contact patch lesser). Then PS4 now improves on that, trying to maintain the overall wet performance while improving the dry performance. I'm using the V12E2 and also PS3, and IMHO the V12E2 is superior in almost all areas to the PS3 except just the aquaplaning resistance. Your RE003 is more focused towards dry performance as you can see it has more bog tread blocks with even less water grooves. The V12E2 should be better than the RE003 in this area.

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post Apr 24 2018, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Apr 24 2018, 07:39 PM)
Wow.. 8-8.5 is quite high.  biggrin.gif

Have you compared the v12s vs other makes?
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Yes, so far I have used these: the old Michelin Pilot Preceda and PS3, Goodyear F1D5 & F1A2, Continental CSC3 & 5, and this V12E2. The best one I'd say still the CSC5 but this V12E2 along with the F1A2 follow very close already and I'd rate the V12E2 better than the rest overall, even PS3.
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post Apr 26 2018, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(ReVolVolution @ Apr 26 2018, 10:16 AM)
Good range of tyres bro. I've tried RE003, PS3, MC5, Primacy, Eagle F1Asym, etc.

I think this V12s are quieter than RE003 and PS3. Eagle F1 is nice but I don't trust their quality since it had sidewall cracks after 3 years or so. Whereas, PS3 is good but there are complaints (which I experienced) that the tyres just 'shredded" off. Hence, quality is questionable.
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Yes agree, that the V12E2 is quitter than PS3 and surprisingly silent for UHP tires. As for F1, well I used my F1D5 until really finished, no issues whatsoever and very reliable with only some chipping like PS3 when driven hard. For my current F1A2 also not yet any issues so far and the tires is already like 50%. PS3 as I said, also have chipping issues (or maybe what you called as 'shredded'), but nothing serious as the tires still perform well. Honestly for me, practically ALL my tires will have chipping! laugh.gif Just a matter of how severe only whereby the F1D5 & PS3 are a bit more while F1A2, V12E2, and CSC3/5 not as much.
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post Apr 26 2018, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(dickybird @ Apr 26 2018, 11:28 AM)
Just replaced the CSC 5s on my v40 with the K120. When roiling on fresh tarmac, the tyre noise is absent and even on highway, tyre roar is relatively lower compared to recording of the CSC 5 i made before i switched. And the crashiness of the CSC 5 when going over rough road conditions is gone, maybe due to the softer sidewall?
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Yeah V12E2 seems to have softer sidewall than CSC5. I feel it's similar with PS3 and F1.
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post Apr 27 2018, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(sg999 @ Apr 27 2018, 02:47 PM)
how about kumho ps31?cheap also.
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Not so good. Kumho claimed it as UHP level tires but actually more like just entry level performance. Tirerack USA commented in their review that the performance is not quite "Ultra High" category as claimed, meaning like UHP pretend tires?? laugh.gif

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDi...ay.jsp?ttid=217
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post Apr 27 2018, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(uexpress @ Apr 27 2018, 06:22 PM)
How about PS71?? the price range not so far from V12Evo2
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Still not convincing enough. For example in this test it ends up only 7th out of 8 with highlight weakness comment:
"Poor wet handling with slow steering and long wet braking distances."
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2018-...P-Tyre-Test.htm

In this review though it ends up middle ground but some assessment in this review is done by "subjective feel" so a bit questionable.
Highlight weakness commented: Poor balance during emergency maneuvers.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2018-...r-Tyre-Test.htm

And then there's this test where it came out 2nd! biggrin.gif But note that there's no explanation from the media reviewer of how they score the tires, so even more questionable! smile.gif
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2018-...r-Tyre-Test.htm

Generally I don't quite trust Kumho tires, coz besides never really reading any solid dependable reviews on them, I also often heard bulging reports on them. If price is close to V12E2, might as well get V12E2 coz more proven.


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post Apr 29 2018, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(sg999 @ Apr 29 2018, 12:27 PM)
V12 consider very good
has been driving up to fraser hill, cornering so grippy!  rclxm9.gif
turn left and turn right, can feel the sharp response. drool.gif
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Hahaha very good then. biggrin.gif
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post May 9 2018, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(Imagination *-* @ May 9 2018, 07:42 AM)
I'm sold. My next tyres is the hankook v12. I'm currently on Falken ziex 914 ecorun. Quite good for grip in dry and wet but noisy
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No contest, the 914 is lower level than V12E2. For Falken the comparable model is the new FK510, you can try to check that out also coz it's newer and might be even better than the V12E2 but maybe at a slightly higher price. Until this FK510 comes, the V12E2 is still the best value for money now.
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post May 11 2018, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(ze2 @ May 11 2018, 03:14 PM)
Bro, would you be able to let me know how lasting the V12E2?

I am on Primacy 3ST and it had 50k+ KM with 30% thread life. Now it is harden and it is about time to change.  tongue.gif
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Should not be too much difference, maybe just a bit faster wear. I'd say it should last at least 40-45k km minimum.
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post May 11 2018, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(ze2 @ May 11 2018, 06:52 PM)
Thanks bro. For the price and it’s performace...really value for money.
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Yup, it's the best value for money now until later when the new Falken FK510 arrives, then we'll see how the pricing for that one will be.

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post May 14 2018, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(g9000z @ May 14 2018, 04:46 PM)
seems like many ppl praising V12E2,
I have a question, checking in their website, why all the R16 size dont have 'UHP' label?? means that size not UHP?
http://www.hankooktire.com/my/passenger-ca...-evo2-k120.html

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By right should still be UHP coz still the same tire compound, same construction and design, same speed rating and UTQG rating, similar load index too. Not sure why the website puts it like that.
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post Jul 24 2018, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(jason4883 @ Jul 23 2018, 08:51 AM)
Need to change my car tyres soon.  Want to try this Hankook Ventus V12evo2.  Looking for size 245/40/18.
@6UE5T, any recommended shop in Klang?
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S One Tyres & Sport Rims in Setia Alam. I just changed there last week. They give very competitive prices, maybe one of the cheapest.
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QUOTE(jason4883 @ Jul 24 2018, 11:43 AM)
Hope u don't mind to PM me the quoted price for the tyres you bought last week.
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I only bought small size 195/55/15 for just rm170/pc. Your size should probably be around rm300-325/pc.

Another option is try call E.D. Tayar. Their prices usually are also very competitive.

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post Aug 9 2018, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(leehernandez @ Aug 9 2018, 10:53 AM)
rm 425 pretty cheap.sure u will satisfy with it.haha..good grip..comfort level good.the only cons is a little soft.
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That's why the comfort level is still good. Next time can try the new Falken FK510 as that one should have stiffer sidewall but probably would not be as comfortable too, somethings got to give I suppose. smile.gif

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post Sep 3 2018, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Volt @ Sep 3 2018, 01:15 AM)
I dont know guyz, I dont like the V12E2. I felt like the side wall is abit too soft for my liking. I fitted 4 new V12E2 on my suprima s early this year and i cant confidently corner like i did with my previous RE003 or PS3 set. Cornering doesnt feel grippy as before. Anyway this is just my honest opinion.
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Yeah V12E2 sidewall is on the softer side, RE003 has stiffer sidewall but PS3 is also rather soft too. Actually the V12E2 grip is still pretty good, maybe just the soft feel you're not used to. Have you tried increasing the tire pressure a bit? Anyway, people may have different preferences so yeah fair enough.
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QUOTE(Volt @ Sep 4 2018, 03:01 PM)
Yes i did pump the tyres to 35psi and it felt the same to me. Well... im not saying its a bad purchase, at least it doesn't squeals or slip on wet road. I would say its perform the same as goodyear F1 D5. That tyre also have soft side wall.
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Agree it's pretty similar to F1D5 but I think the V12E2 has higher grip overall and definitely more silent.


QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Sep 4 2018, 03:18 PM)
Not sure if my impression is wrong, but this is what I think about it:

Yeah, indeed the sidewall did feel a tad soft.

After a high-speed turn in, it does take a moment for the car to 'settle in', but when it does, it grips without complaining much, if at all.

I'm not sure, but I THINK that a softer side-wall compliments most passenger car's soft suspension set up, so to not 'load' the suspension too suddenly which can cause the tires to skip.

Driving very predictably albeit quickly, I think this tire ultimately has very high dry and wet grip.

The downside is that incredibly quick lane changes feel unsettling, and a somewhat slow response, like when you are zipping between lanes in very heavy traffic at high speeds.

But we shouldn't be driving like that anyway!  tongue.gif

I think the tire is suitable for all SUVs and sedans, even sports sedans.

Probably not so good for our sporty JDM friends (MX-5, S15, R34, MR-S etc) and their MY counterparts (modded Wira, Satria etc) who drive on average 50 km/h faster than us even during traffic jam.
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Well it might give the impression of slow response in quick directional changes due to the softer sidewall. But to me I don't feel hampered when I need to drive fast/more aggressively. I think it's still fine for sporty cars too, it all depends on driver's feel and preference of how they like their cars to behave. IMHO tires that have very stiff sidewall also not really suitable in Malaysia as the road sometimes not smooth and like you said will instead make the tires easier to skip and loose traction while the softer ones may still grip better.

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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Sep 4 2018, 04:58 PM)
Yup. In fact, I would say it doesn't actually have a soft side-wall per se, just soft in comparison to its category, i.e. UHP.

Could probably remedy that easily: just go ultra low profile!

When I wanted to go for lower profile, the tire shop guy gave me a funny look and pretty much ignored me and just changed the stock setup anyway.

For reference, its a D segment with 215/50/17, I wanted to go 45 or even 40  tongue.gif
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You need to upsize rims to 18x8.5 then use 245/40/18. My d-segment now is already using 245/40/18 and for me personally that is the thinnest profile I'd go and would not go even lower than 9.8-10cm sidewall height coz it will be too harsh! Actually IMHO 10-11cm sidewall height (195/55, 205/50, 215/50, 225/45, 235/45, 245/45, 255/40) offer the best compromise between look, performance/stiffness, and comfort. When going around 9.6-9.8cm sidewall height (195/50, 215/45, 245/40) then start to feel a bit harsh and that's the borderline, then going even further below that is a big no already for me.
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QUOTE(ViktorJ @ Sep 4 2018, 05:44 PM)
IIRC, Kia Forte comes with 215/45/17

Its crazy harsh to me, but I always thought it was more due to the suspension setup rather than its tire profile
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Yes, Kia Forte and the old Civic FD2 are some example of cars that come std with that tire size. It's a bit of both but I think there's only so much you can cheat with suspension trickery to try compensate for the physics of low cushioning from the thin tires. Tires is the first contact patch to the road so their behavior gives the first most pronounced reaction/feel to the car. That's why no matter what car I will own and drive as daily/street car, I will not want to drop below that 9.8-10cm sidewall height limit as general guide.
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QUOTE(a.h.wan @ Sep 25 2018, 02:52 AM)
i’m using advan fleva right now and i fully agree except that it deserves higher score on wet grip. i’ll probably give it an 8.5-9. it’s a freaking revelation especially when my last set was the re003. but that’s about it. noise is terrible. dry grip is sad. comfort i don’t care coz i’m on a stiff suspension setup anyway. never tried v12e2 though. always no stock for my size.
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QUOTE(Keisuke Honda @ Sep 25 2018, 10:02 AM)
Agree on the noise factor. That day I sent my car to do alignment at a tyre workshop that mainly sells Michelin tyres. The boss after test driving my car suspected that my bearings kong-ed...then checked no problem.

"Why your tyres noisy like lori tyres???" laugh.gif doh.gif
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Hahaha so Yokohama must have been bluffing when they claim this Fleva only as 67db noise rating! doh.gif The V12E2 on the other hand only rated at around 70db by Hankook but during Car & Driver magazine test only produced 67db noise level.

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