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hybr1d3d
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 Apr 29 2019, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Apr 29 2019, 04:25 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
Rogers was going thru several period of timeline to lay/return those stones.
Agree there must be one of those period that the shield is taken & not missed
Herein lies the detective part to figure out.
I would say, one possibly is, when he went back to when the (endgame) Steve Rogers who impersonated the captain America of avengers where they fought in Stark towers (clearly that shield wasn’t taken back when when time traveled to 1970s to steal the tesaract in the US base)
There were 2 shields that on that bridge, endgame steve Rogers (going back the 2nd time) can pick shield that back & keep it with him when he went back to where he met Peggy Carter (this time for good)
Or he did take a shield from tony stark or Howard stark (which I too lazy to think of hand where a possible scenario atm)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I think there are more than 1 shield in MCU, remember in winter soldier, there is 1 stealth shield with sky blue stripes only? |
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orga_laut
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Apr 29 2019, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(e_mc_square @ Apr 29 2019, 11:04 AM) That is what I thought about. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « But why he didn't came out from time machine? Because MCU time theory is like multiverse. Like Rick And Morty.  » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
quantum realm machine is a portal.
you jump into it, you can choose whichever timeline "in the past" , and must return on that platform to stay in the same timeline.
if cap re-appear to that machine, he came back from any point of "the past" to the present time.
if he didnt, that means he never return.
but he can re-appear on another location of this timeline "only if" that time was his past. in this case:
eg-
2023 is young cap present (T1)
1940 is young cap past (T2)
2099 if he stays this long and grow old, he can merge with (T1) on any location before he jump into the machine, which became his past. he chose 'the bench' to make it dramatic.
proof: cap+tony NY jump to 1970 without the machine. , doesnt matter if he havent been there as long they know the coordinate (tony's tech GPS)
get it?
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SUSIdiuU
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Apr 29 2019, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Apr 29 2019, 04:25 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
Rogers was going thru several period of timeline to lay/return those stones.
Agree there must be one of those period that the shield is taken & not missed
Herein lies the detective part to figure out.
I would say, one possibly is, when he went back to when the (endgame) Steve Rogers who impersonated the captain America of avengers where they fought in Stark towers (clearly that shield wasn’t taken back when when time traveled to 1970s to steal the tesaract in the US base)
There were 2 shields that on that bridge, endgame steve Rogers (going back the 2nd time) can pick shield that back & keep it with him when he went back to where he met Peggy Carter (this time for good)
Or he did take a shield from tony stark or Howard stark (which I too lazy to think of hand where a possible scenario atm)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « capt. went to 1970s with his shield,didnt left it at 2012 new york |
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BeastX
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Apr 29 2019, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(IdiuU @ Apr 29 2019, 12:59 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « capt. went to 1970s with his shield,didnt left it at 2012 new york Actually... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
It's a different shield that was made in either the alternate time-line or present (main) time-line..…
The shield is different .... As it contains 5 notches in the mid-rings (noticed it in the first viewing)....
Old man Steve had to jump back to the main time-line to pass the shield off....he just took all the time he needed....he carries the GPS for a direct line back to the main time-line....
The shield's first appearance was when it was handed over to Sam...
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BeastX
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Apr 29 2019, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(hybr1d3d @ Apr 29 2019, 12:44 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I think there are more than 1 shield in MCU, remember in winter soldier, there is 1 stealth shield with sky blue stripes only? The blue shield was stickers or painted on for stealth missions.... It was peeling off in the fight sequence.....  This post has been edited by BeastX: Apr 29 2019, 03:00 PM |
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e_mc_square
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Apr 29 2019, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Apr 29 2019, 12:53 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
quantum realm machine is a portal.
you jump into it, you can choose whichever timeline "in the past" , and must return on that platform to stay in the same timeline.
if cap re-appear to that machine, he came back from any point of "the past" to the present time.
if he didnt, that means he never return.
but he can re-appear on another location of this timeline "only if" that time was his past. in this case:
eg-
2023 is young cap present (T1)
1940 is young cap past (T2)
2099 if he stays this long and grow old, he can merge with (T1) on any location before he jump into the machine, which became his past. he chose 'the bench' to make it dramatic.
proof: cap+tony NY jump to 1970 without the machine. , doesnt matter if he havent been there as long they know the coordinate (tony's tech GPS)
get it?
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « That mean the machine not really helping them to do the jump then. Haha... |
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orga_laut
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Apr 29 2019, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(e_mc_square @ Apr 29 2019, 03:52 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « That mean the machine not really helping them to do the jump then. Haha... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
portal open
time jump anywhere
return
portal close
whoever doesnt return will stuck forever
thats why u see nebula hv to reopen the portal, so thanos can go in. without that portal opened, the GPS tool become useless. pym particle also cannot help.
THAT quantum realm machine in this movie that make the time travel possible.
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orga_laut
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Apr 30 2019, 03:37 AM
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hehe.. after watched it again.. that bench scene.. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
sam said something like "only it bothers me is the fact that we hv to live in a world without captain america"
old steve replied, "oh yes that reminds me of .. (open up briefcase with that untouched shield)"
i think, that timeline with the last dance "is" the life without captain america. maybe he let the frozed cap dies and get to keep the shield. hes the 'only' person at that time know the exact location of himself. so he stays low. no captain america.
he must hv been jump back to present timeline with the same quantum suit, take it off and wait on the bench. no other way.. definitely not the "stay in the same timeline" theory
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koolspyda
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Apr 30 2019, 07:45 AM
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QUOTE(orga_laut @ Apr 30 2019, 04:37 AM) hehe.. after watched it again.. that bench scene.. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
sam said something like "only it bothers me is the fact that we hv to live in a world without captain america"
old steve replied, "oh yes that reminds me of .. (open up briefcase with that untouched shield)"
i think, that timeline with the last dance "is" the life without captain america. maybe he let the frozed cap dies and get to keep the shield. hes the 'only' person at that time know the exact location of himself. so he stays low. no captain america.
he must hv been jump back to present timeline with the same quantum suit, take it off and wait on the bench. no other way.. definitely not the "stay in the same timeline" theory
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Steve returned all the stones, to the point where they were taken. (So thereafter) All events remained. New York happened, ultranationalist happened, Thanos snap happened, 5 years since all happened) and finally Thanos becoming dust too. All event had Captain America.
What falcons’s words the world without Captain America is the present (after events) and the future. The past (CA) remains
We already know there is more than one shield existed, though some of us refuse to note and it is impossible to have more than one (calling it a major plot hole).
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orga_laut
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Apr 30 2019, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Apr 30 2019, 07:45 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
Steve returned all the stones, to the point where they were taken. (So thereafter) All events remained. New York happened, ultranationalist happened, Thanos snap happened, 5 years since all happened) and finally Thanos becoming dust too. All event had Captain America.
What falcons’s words the world without Captain America is the present (after events) and the future. The past (CA) remains
We already know there is more than one shield existed, though some of us refuse to note and it is impossible to have more than one (calling it a major plot hole).
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you missed my point.
its bothers sam to live without cap "from that present onwards" . old cap is like "no worries, my timeline dont have cap too. see my shield. untouch"
its a fan theory "same timeline vs alternate timeline"
im more towards the alternate timeline theory "because" thats how MCU quantum realm machine works, u cannot be in the same timeline after u jump into it, once u jump, u have to return to the same portal, or else either trapped inside alternate time or have to jump back to the past timeline where the future never happen yet.
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dlct87
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Apr 30 2019, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(ReAcTiVo @ Apr 30 2019, 08:28 AM) so next Dr. Strange movie is useless because no time stone anymore?  Strange doesn't just rely on the time stone as his power source |
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fujkenasai
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Apr 30 2019, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Apr 30 2019, 09:32 AM) Strange doesn't just rely on the time stone as his power source » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « i wonder why is strange the strongest soccerer supreme |
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SUSAzurues
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Apr 30 2019, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Apr 30 2019, 02:03 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « i wonder why is strange the strongest soccerer supreme » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « probably cause he is the smartest of them all. Dr. Strange movie, he started as a super weakling but towards end of the show his skills improvement qualify him to be a master in such a short time.
Then during Infinity war, the way how he battle Thanos really blew my mind. The magic that he pulled out was amazing. I wish the fight was longer.
Then End game,did he just open portal from Titan to Earth?? He can't even do it previously but safe to assume during his 14 million tries in defeating Thanos, he has learn a lot of shit from TimeStone |
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fujkenasai
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Apr 30 2019, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Apr 30 2019, 02:29 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « probably cause he is the smartest of them all. Dr. Strange movie, he started as a super weakling but towards end of the show his skills improvement qualify him to be a master in such a short time.
Then during Infinity war, the way how he battle Thanos really blew my mind. The magic that he pulled out was amazing. I wish the fight was longer.
Then End game,did he just open portal from Titan to Earth?? He can't even do it previously but safe to assume during his 14 million tries in defeating Thanos, he has learn a lot of shit from TimeStone Where is titan? |
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6so
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Apr 30 2019, 03:43 PM
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Dr. Strange is another copycat character of DC, Dr. Fate. Two characters conjuring mystical abilities from ancient artefacts and being the gatekeeper of Earth to battle magical or mystical threats. Dr. Strange main source of mystical arts came from the Book of Vishanti that grants him access to powerful knowledge of white magic. Pendant, cloak, and god knows what else are MacGuffins that made him powerful.
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gaeria84
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Apr 30 2019, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(6so @ Apr 25 2019, 07:05 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Physicist theorized time travel came in 2 forms. Single loop that adhere to grandfather's paradox. Infinite loop that has endless parallel realities. Any changes in timeline will just branch off another reality. Comicbooks gave it a fancy name called Multiverse. Like what was demonstrated on Rick and Morty, Looper, Fringe, etc... To make it "idiot proof" you focus on the timeline that matters narratively otherwise it's a slippery slope to tell a story out of it.
The bigger issue I had is stealing gemstones from different timelines does not create nuclear butterfly effects. "Primer" demonstrated how difficult it is not to sets off butterfly effect. They oversimplified it by returning the stones to respective timelines. The million dollar question is the act of snapping, does it erase Thanos from an all encompassing existence or only in the Endgame instance or maybe I wasn't paying enough attention when Hulk mansplaining it to Ancient One. If they only wipe Thanos from Endgame timeline meaning events post GOTG1 will take a different path that has nothing to do with Thanos influence. That's an alternate reality already.
Moral of the story is there's no simple way to do a time travel storyline without butchering factual time displacement depiction.  The way time travel is represented in endgame left me with more questions than genuine intrigue. I think DC does time travel and multiverse stories 3000x better. This is just Marvel's attempt to one-up DC and do time travel/multiverse stories in their movies first I mean, announcing Civil War right after BvS was announced and eternals right after WB signed ava duvernay to do new gods is no coincidence  There's not many good stories left after this, honestly I have no idea how they're gonna do secret invasion next since they portrayed skrulls as the good guys in CM movie  |
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axoloke
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Apr 30 2019, 04:50 PM
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EW will be talking to the directors supposedly soon to flesh out more details... » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Spoilers in the article linked! |
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sicklad77
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Apr 30 2019, 07:18 PM
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How long do we need to keep posting with spoilers? Hahaha
Anyway for those who wants to rewatch the movie again. Please go to I-city new ONYX oled screen! It’s so HD and better way to watch. I prefer it so much than imax.
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Xiang_flutist
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Apr 30 2019, 11:29 PM
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Apr 30 2019, 02:29 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « probably cause he is the smartest of them all. Dr. Strange movie, he started as a super weakling but towards end of the show his skills improvement qualify him to be a master in such a short time.
Then during Infinity war, the way how he battle Thanos really blew my mind. The magic that he pulled out was amazing. I wish the fight was longer.
Then End game,did he just open portal from Titan to Earth?? He can't even do it previously but safe to assume during his 14 million tries in defeating Thanos, he has learn a lot of shit from TimeStone He was able to open the portal from Titan to Earth even during Infinity War. He just didnt wan't to. |
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