Just found out today I got 10% warning, for posting in a Nintendo thread called "sending your US wii for modification ... ! "
Not only me gets a 10% warning, EVERYONE in there gets a warning from AsenDURE.

The thread basically is discussing about modded Wii, and some forumers did mention about the piracy stuffs, and they deserve to get warn.
But for some of us we didn't even mention anything about piracy at all and still gets warn!

Here's my posting which gets me a warning:


I only talking about multi-region capability, and is that wrong?? Is multi-region = piracy? I believe any of my and some other forumers posting in there mention nothing about piracy.

Is modding illegal in LYN? If it's illegal, then all those posting in threads related to selling or doing modding service should gets warning also!

Just because some mention about piracy in a thread and the whole thread gets a warning is UNFAIR!

Not all modding is illegal, nor all modding is legal.

For example, modding your mobile phone by changing IMEI is illegal, but modding your mobile phone to unlock some features is not.

Lets wait the Staff/Moderator come in and provide you information/evidence regarding legality of modding in Nintendo. Please be specific, do not generally point finger at modding alone.

you've got a point. i've gave that alot thought when i was starting out as a mod before and it's really a double-edged sword

anyhow, i decided earlier on that i'd rather be strict-and-fair rather and wrong-and-strict. i still reserve the right to last say, mind you (so don't get any ideas guys), with only the admin's decision over-ridding mine and it's not SO easy to get a warn revoked from me.

besides, the whole point of this section is also to be more transparent in despensing our moderating duties no?

I am not a Nintendo user. I have no say in what goes on in Consoles Couch. So therefore I am merely an impartial bystander.

From the way your post was worded it would seem that you are highly interested about modding your console. As Asendure has pointed out, Nintendo has made it clear that modding their product is illegal. Even I know that modding a Xbox and Playstation is illegal. If the company states that it is illegal, therefore it is illegal to speak about it in this forum. If you didn't know that before, you know now. 10% warn is better than 100% warn or a suspension. Consider it a mild lesson.

Ok, you claim that modding Xbox, PS, Nintendo is all illegal, so that's mean we CANNOT TALK about it at all?

Please have a look at the garage sales area, WHAO!! Tonnes of modded consoles, mod chips, flash cards and modding service for sale! Modded consoles bundle with pirated games some more! All those "illegal" activities are going on there under the broad daylight and no one is making a fuss? and I get a 10% warning because I'm just stating the facts about modding?

which part of my comments there tell you positively that I wanted to engaged in a "illegal activities of modding my console"? All I did is ask a question and stating a fact. (which was proven wrong later on, modded PAL Wii can't play all region game). I don't see any parts of my comments there stating I'm supporting either piracy or "illegal" modding.

For me modding feel into the grey area of legality. Modding doesn't necessary equals to piracy. Btw, which law in Malaysia did state modding is illegal? If the Malaysia law didn't state it's illegal, why can't we discuss here?

I think a verbal warning and closing of the thread should be sufficient rather than imposing a warn on everyone.

Not everyone knows the legitimacy of modding a console.

It's like getting warn for discussing about kereta potong because it's illegal in this country.

Nevertheless, I hope this will end well.

It has always been illegal. Come on, you expect Malaysia to support piracy?

Dude, I never expect Malaysia to support piracy, nor did I. Since when I mention anything about supporting piracy? and of cos I know piracy is illegal here in Malaysia, but modding your console is not illegal by Malaysia Law IMO.

If modding console is illegal in Malaysia, then why gomen only take action against those selling pirated games, but didn't take action against those selling modded consoles?

Modding doesn't equals to piracy!

This post has been edited by greyshadow: May 12 2007, 12:39 PM

i though the warning will go away after some time? anyway is not like you get ban for good by mere 10% warning...

treat it as a complement and move along

it's just a warn, it'll go away after six months if u dun break the rules again.
relax....

it's not about whether it's just a 10% or 50% warn or not, or whether it will go away or not. It's a matter of principles, I believe I did nothing wrong and still gets warn about it.

Lets say one day you did nothing wrong and police gives you a fine of RM10. Ya... RM10 only mar... no big deal, but will you pay the fine for some "offence" you didn't commit?

hm, now that u put money in the equation and my hate for police comes up.....

*KILL EM!*

Oh noes... it's the end of the world!

so rry for tumpng thread....just feel like dun want to open another thread to ask this...

i m currently got 2 warning...the 1st 1 issued on nov 22 2006 and 2nd 1 issued on jan 2007....

i know last time mod say the warning will fade out after 6 months...so my 1st warning on nov 2006 shd be faded edi..but how come i still got 20% warning?..

just curious how it work...?

thank u...

dun worry.it will delete after 6 months.i hav two warnings too coz i post crack thread

erm..i tot mine shd now reduce to 10% warning as my 1st one already past 6 months time..

oh that one u hav to pm mod

At present, we are reevaluating the way we view modchips in this forum. Since there was never any rules that were put in place for this, it has been sort of a grey area.

Therefore, we are now brainstorming the legality of modchips among the moderating team and until that is done, we will hold all action.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=faq&article=6

And please, 6 months from 22 nov 2006 is 22 may 2007. It hasn't run its course yet.

/end threadjack

thx for the explaination..seem like i need to retake math

Just like youngkies said...Then if u say modding deserves a warn then my thread should be gone early lolz....Maybe u try to ask the moderator?

im using R4 with more than a K of ROMS, downloaded from torrent and ROM sites.. naw pls warn me. thanks. thaixs's thread still exist till now, and not a single mod give a shart. sry thaixs not to throw sands to yr topic, im just stating an example.

but still who give a shart about the warn?

Here we go again...

Flame retarded suits...ON

I'd agree that the threadstarter didn't deserve the warn, but this needs a suspension if u ask me

Accidentally came by this thread and couldn't resist giving some input here.

It is not right that when I purchase a console, I cannot open up the case and change whatever I want to it. Do I not own the device or do I own only the license to use the device? Does this fall into IP? I think we need to differentiate between software and hardware. This definitely falls under hardware. Even if I mod, the most the manufacturer can do is to void the warranty.

So, I hope LYN will show some character in supporting small users like me.

/endrant

Well, go and read the EULA and tell us what it says in regards to the modding. Why am I not doing it? 'cause I don't own one.

ditto, flamebaiting.

Obviously he didn't read H@H@'s post above.

Imho, modding your game console with the intention to play pirated games is considered illegal even though you're the owner. In simpler words, modding something that leads to consecutive illegal actions should not be practiced in this forum.

As for this case, i think it will be wise if the mods temporarily close the thread and discuss about this "gray area" before awarding everyone a warning. None of them knows that it is illegal to discuss modchips in this forum (let alone allowing forumers selling modchips in garage sales?).

Well since he doesn't give a shit about warns, thought I'd try and show him what else they can do.

Ah, but you have to remember... You are doing this on your own in the privacy of your own home... You're not offering a service or selling a product whose sole purpose is to undermine another product's functionality.

The issue at hand is not on modding per se (Which is one of the draws of the Xbox 360 marketting campaign) but rather commercially available modchips.

I also get 10 warning!!!!

guys (and girls if there are any), we are currently looking into this and will update you on our policy with regards to console modding in the next couple of days.

I dunno what's the BIG hoohaa over 10% warning (or more, not until you gets banned for a period). those "Warning" won't be visible to other members view , so it wont lower their morality for being "tagged" wiv a warning that others won't know about.

I will only worry about being warned if I HAVE intention to cause myself to be warned again (only worry how much further I can stretch it till I'm banned!). Otherwise, I just live with it. Waiting for 6 months for the warning to be cleared won't be a hard thing to do.



patience, everyone!

it's like being warned privately by a teacher in school. Your other classmates won't know it, NOT UNLESS you decided to bring it up in class (hence causing others to finally knows about it, which I'm sure you never wanted that to happen).

This post has been edited by alanyuppie: May 13 2007, 02:15 PM

i get 20% warning.my one alreadi 5 months.when can it be deleted?

and do you even read the few post above your post by H@H@, or do you even know how to click on FAQ?

This post has been edited by stevanistelrooy: May 13 2007, 02:55 PM

I've been following this thread since it's started..it's not about 10%, 6 months waiting period whatsoever..it's the fact you're given a warning over something you've done nothing wrong...

Although the topic the threadstarter started regarding moddings are on a fine line between legal and illegal..given a 10% warning without any appropriate reason is unacceptable..

If you think getting 10% warning is nothing over no proper reason is fine..Just imagine you're being accused of doing something wrong when you actually didn't...you'd definitely fight for it

ya i hav read it be4 .is 6 months right?i am waiting for next month to delete.so do u know wat date can be deleted

Q:

A:

click on the link and read.
Clearly stated and the english used are understandable by all.
Don't keep hoping to spoonfeed.

punkyswat: Your warnings were given in early-Feb. It's mid-May now. That's alreadi 3++ months, not 5 months as you mentioned. Better ask dokidoki if you can join him for kelas tambahan!

alanyuppie: The warning is more than just a numerical value. For it to be given, a moderating staff has to be convinced that you've done something that goes against the spirit of our R&R. And I suppose that's what people here are arguing for - to convince them otherwise. If and when that happens, the warning % gets decremented as a side-effect

Warning won't be deleted.
Only warning percentage / level will be reduced, but the "notes" why you were warned won't be deleted.

Well, most people do get carried away when they're talking about modded consoles, you can't blame the admins for taking swift action on this matter as this is a public forum, discussion of pirated games is definitely a no no, we wouldn't want LYN to be on the watchlist of KPDN for piracy.

Here's what we've decided on this issue:-

We'll allow discussion about moddings etc.

We'll allow the trading of consoles which have already been modded.

We do not allow trading pirated/modded games

We do not allow discussion about how to pirate or crack a game, and for policy reasons, where to purchase pirated games.

So the conclusion is discussion of modding scenes are allowed lor?
So I'm not guilty as charged lor?
Can some mod please remove my warn?

This post has been edited by greyshadow: May 21 2007, 09:54 AM

done. will do so/review the rest of the posters on the thread as well.

for you guys' info, modding is NOT only circulating about piracy. its also pushing your console to the limit. eg, sony never created ps2 to play divx, but with modding, we can play divx on ps2. and they also benchmarked the capacity of hdd for ps2, modders bypassed it.

anyways nice light on the grey area. bookmarked it.

good point and thread greyshadow.