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wolf1991
post Dec 1 2020, 10:19 PM

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Any idea what will be the price for Malaysia rtx3060ti price? The price performance ratio seem a lot better than rtx3070 based on those available review now.
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post Dec 1 2020, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Dec 1 2020, 10:37 PM)
My thoughts likely Ard RM1750 RRP ; but seeing how gfx card prices inflated. I assume it would cost Ard rm1850 - 1900
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With this price, there was little reason to go for rtx3070, unless nvidia come out with rtx3070ti with same msrp as 3070. The rtx3060ti is 20% cheaper with less than 10% performance than 3070 in average. I doubt the 10% difference is as noticeable as the price different https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owrk_OnaPJo&t=522s
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post Dec 1 2020, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(freakenstein @ Dec 1 2020, 10:45 PM)
Nvidia Malaysia website already put the pricing. Starting at rm1800
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wow not bad. although a little bit higher than the msrp by us dollar conversion to myr but it still a lot cheaper than the market price of rtx3070 with at least 2400 at the moment with no stock for that price. Most stock available are price at 2500 and above for now. Just can wait and see how close the price stick to the official nvidia prices. If yes then it's a good deal but quite of sad for those who grab the last gen graphic card recently
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post Dec 1 2020, 10:51 PM

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You are right Nvidia Malaysia MSRP is 1800 for rtx3060ti and 2399 for rtx3070. Wow, the card was so tempting. The price different with rtx 3070 was 33.33% with only roughly 10% performance different.

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post Dec 2 2020, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(acidrains2012 @ Dec 1 2020, 11:25 PM)
hi guys, please can help look at this , is it real deal or abit fishy? not familiar with shoppe,sry

https://shopee.com.my/Gigabyte-Technology-G...9131.3867205661
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for expensive stuff better don't buy with shopee. If anything happen it's very hard to resolve, need to get seller approve this and that. Trust me it was not a pleasant experience if anything happen. Lazada is your safer bet even if it is more expensive for certain item but it is worth it. All the while I have no issues with the platform.

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post Dec 2 2020, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(Melvin117 @ Dec 1 2020, 11:40 PM)
Yeah basically a 2080 Super

5-10% behind a 3070, only thing it really loses is RTX performance

GN's review: https://youtu.be/t9H2PfYDFok
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I think Ray tracing was still not yet ready even for rtx3070 at 1440p and above. Unless it's rtx3080 and above, otherwise hardly can get a good rt performance out of the box without dlss and stuff.
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post Dec 2 2020, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Dec 2 2020, 12:11 AM)
3060ti is such a steal, it's eating into 3070's sales haha
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True as what you mention. Seem like no point to get the rtx3070 once 3060ti is out if supply was not an issues. It is worth to grab the 3070 if Nvidia release a new RTX3070ti with higher vram to replace the current rtx3070.

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post Dec 2 2020, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(HOUGHTON @ Dec 1 2020, 11:30 PM)
The 3070 doesn't make as much sense now if comparing with MSRP between 3080 and 3060ti. 3060ti is basically a failed 3070 and Nvidia disabled a few components on it to come up with a 3060ti.

I ordered a 3070, honestly wouldn't mind if my order gets cancelled lol. Seems like either the 3060ti or 3080 would be the better value choice now.
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Definitely. The stock for rtx3070 seem like plenty as of now. Nvidia again f u their customer with such strategy like what happen with those super card series for 2000 series. Anyhow I think this was a good response from Nvidia toward rx6800, I don't mind if they compete with each other in term of market share and release a better cost per frame rate card. Lol, it's interesting to see how amd might react with the rumored rx6700.

To be fair the current rtx3060ti was a good value card for now according to the msrp. Quite sad that amd radeon pricing in Malaysia seem to be worst than international market so those thinking to get the rtx3060ti might be unlikely to regret it. I doubt they will come out with rtx3060ti super to replace the card.
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post Dec 2 2020, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Dec 2 2020, 12:28 AM)
another round of zotac bashing🤣
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Not sure how good is their service but they are offering a 5 year warranty n this was the only attractive point I find.
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post Dec 2 2020, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 2 2020, 09:00 AM)
I got 2070 and feels the burn when just after few months
later Nvidia release 2070S which give double digits increase in performance at the same price. 3070 owner sure feel more burn, less than 1 month now got card that much cheaper but almost same performance. laugh.gif

This time I'll wait till both finish show hand and stock readily available only decide which to get. Early adopters are like lab mice to them.
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Ya same here. Last time are getting 2060 but just few months later come out 2060 super with same msrp. That desktop are using on 4k tv so are looking for a good card to run at least 2k. That's y the rtx 3070 look less attractive for me as it got only 8gb. Initially I am looking for rx6000 series as it got 16gb so should be no problem to run 4k for few more years to come. Just that the msrp was rather high and Malaysia amd seem to price item more expensive. For eg 5700xt was suppose to be excellence at cost per frame but here it was priced as the same price as 2070 super.........

I just build a new desktop recently and settle down with gt1030 as temporary card. Planning to wait and see how it goes as well. If nvidia come out with 3070ti with higher vram then it seem to be a good choice. It will be good if amd can come out with lower mrsp or other sku to compete then it will be beneficial for consumer.

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post Dec 2 2020, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(hirota @ Dec 2 2020, 12:44 PM)
Shopee eitstore
Updated the gigabyte 3060ti
Eagle 2299
Eagle oc 2499
Gaming oc 2699
aorus 2999

Not sure is msrp or marked up price
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lol this was funny. I guess have to wait longer. Probably the seller want to finish all the stock for rtx3070 first. It was ridiculous to buy 3060ti at this price.

Maybe some of them are looking at the forum periodically and found that they will have hard time to clear 3070 if sell 3060ti at price point where it suppose to sell.
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post Dec 2 2020, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 2 2020, 01:08 PM)
This is like last time RAM fiasco. Demand overwhelmed supply so all crazily marked up. I think mainly more on new consoles taking up manufacturing slots than because of Covid.

Now is wrong time to buy GPU.
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Not so sure on that but console are using 7nm chip from tsmc just like radeon card. Radeon stock low highly seem like related to console as priority of chip is going there.

But for Nvidia wise they are using 8nm from Samsung. There have been information like the 8nm yield from Samsung is low and on top of that covid affect manpower so nvidia card was low in supply.

Yes you are right. Now is wrong time to buy card.

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post Dec 3 2020, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(amirhadzeem341 @ Dec 3 2020, 03:48 PM)
i just read on the website, apparently only the twin edge oc model got idle fan stop feature, non-oc one dont have it, so if u got non-oc model then fans will run all the time.

still tempting to get any 3060ti below 2K (preferably 1.8K something) since anything above that is just too much for me. maybe i will wait for one more month for non-ti 3060 or RX 6700/XT (i know stocks will or may be terrible then).
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Now was such a bad time to buy a card. The price was higher than ever due to high demand and low supply. If can wait then better wait till January next year to see how it goes.

The stock situation might get better at that time and more choices is available. The rx6700xt rumoured to have 12gb but not sure how is the price. If end up like 6800 where it's too far away from msrp then it's not really worth to grab it. Rtx3070ti is also rumoured to coming out by that time. Normally for nvidia, they will just set as msrp for those non ti/super variant like what happen to the 20 series.

If you need a card urgently, seem like rtx3060ti is a safer bet at this point of time but don't get the rtx3070 or u might end up regretting in a month later.

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post Dec 3 2020, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(sos_tiram @ Dec 3 2020, 06:08 PM)
Fuh.. the racun is very strong is this thread about 3xxx series.
Normally I upgraded my GPU on every nvidia gen but this time will skip (I will try)
GTX 980 (MSI Gaming ) > GTX 1080Ti (MSI Gaming X) > RTX 2080Ti (MSI Gaming X Trio) > Skip Skip > RTX 4xxx  tongue.gif
Yeah, I'm more to MSI but that RTX 3080 MSI Suprim X looks sexy  bangwall.gif
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Lol. Unless u r getting a rtx3080 or rx6800xt and above, otherwise no point to upgrade. The 2080ti is still a good card for now.

Like what u mentioned, waiting for rtx4000 or rdna 3 seem like a better choice.
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post Dec 3 2020, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 3 2020, 06:14 PM)
Now AIB themselves become scalpers
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They are just doing business. Ordinary business man style, when demand is high they will maximize the profit and cannot blame them also. Consumer is the 1 that caused this situation. If no consumer buying it at this price then they will lower it down.

But what happen now is they set a high price point and yet everything sold out in very short time. So for them, no reason to sell cheaper when they can earn more with higher price tag.

What consumer should do is encouraging more competition and go to those with better price performance ratio then the price will become more reasonable. No point to become a fan for a certain colour when what they want is your money n it's nothing wrong as they are not doing charity.

Regardless of stock situation, this time the graphic card lineup was good as both green & red have something that can compete each other unlike the past 2000 series where red have nothing to compete with the 2080ti and hence the price was high.

Now because of red, rtx 3070ti and 3080ti is coming so encourage more competition, it is good to consumer.

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post Dec 3 2020, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(gigigigi99 @ Dec 3 2020, 06:33 PM)
supplier PM is the accomplice, they provide stocks to certain seller only, indulge the seller mark up price up
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Lol like what happen with lotac official store. They list their price very low but they only sell like few card in their own official store and give most of the card to their dealer and let them set their own price. It's another way of encouraging them to mark up higher and tell everyone that their card are more cost effective by referring to the price set by their own store.

In reality their official store was always out of stock and the selling price of their dealer is around rm100 higher than their msrp.

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post Dec 3 2020, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(gigigigi99 @ Dec 3 2020, 06:36 PM)
if seller offer RPP, i dont see any issue, still acceptable, problem is the allocation system set by supplier , they given chance to seller to mark up price high and also force bundle
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Ya force bundle is nonsense. They are just using it to push other item that is not really moving well. What consumer can do is don't ever buy bundle rig from those seller then only they will stop doing it. Otherwise they will just continue doing it.
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post Dec 3 2020, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 3 2020, 06:41 PM)
The brand holder themselves are partly to be blamed, in this case is Nvidia and AMD. Imagine Apple or Samsung allowing their just launched flagship model being scalped by their own distributor.

And yeah I agree those consumer that willing to pay for brand instead of performance are the special kind of smart people.
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Ya those smart people are special in their own way. They are helping the brand holder to set a high price yet they are happy with it.

If another player come in to graphic card market then is better. Now is basically nvidia and amd two man show but undeniable now situation getting better. Last time when only green monopoly the market, the price was more unreasonable.

Now red come out with a competitive product is a good scenario. It's harder to chop the consumer as compare to last time as there are more choices. The only problem now is supply, if the supply level is normal then this generation card is awesome in term of pricing and performance.
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post Dec 3 2020, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Dec 3 2020, 08:41 PM)
I haven't try DLSS and Ray Tracing, for those who have done so, can you share your feedback? I am contemplating on getting either nVidia or AMD cards now. Seeing review videos from LTT, Jayz and Gamers Nexus, most of them saying getting the AMD ones are much more better. That's without RT and DLSS in the picture.
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If wanna rt seem like nvidia is better option as this is their second gen rt and they do have dlss to improve the frame rate although it's only available to limited game.

If don't care for rt, radeon 6000 is better choice. The upcoming new game need more and more ram if you plan to run the game at 4k ultra setting.

Rt as of now is not that workable at hardware level as most of the card cannot run at high resolution with high rt setting. The 1 who might be able to do well now is at least 3080 & the best is 3090.

Dlss wise is very subjective. Some say the performance good and some saying it make the game blur and affect the gaming experience. Maybe you have to ask someone who already try here for feedback or look for forum like Reddit for an input

Another aspect is the pricing of radeon in Malaysia. I am quite tempted to get 1 actually just that the pricing is a bit ridiculous at least for now. In short if wanna rt then nvidia, raw performance than radeon provided both are selling at their msrp. If money was not a problem, then just get a rtx3090. It is the best card for now.
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post Dec 4 2020, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(diehard1979 @ Dec 4 2020, 08:56 PM)
Actually if not wrong, last time I remember nvidia release pattern is release top end first then later direct go mid tier and low tier which for now should be RTX 3050 and RTX 3060. Then after a few month only come out RTX 3050 ti and RTX 3060 ti (or super) to compete with AMD in that product range but now nvidia direct come out RTX 3060 ti before RTX 3050 and RTX 3060? I though those ti model and super are special weapon that come later after their competitor release that range of product?
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Lol cos this round their competitors come out with a good competitive product. If they still out the non ti version first, they lost the chance to grab the graphic card market.

Most people after buying a card will settle down for quite some time so they wanna grab as much market share as they can in shortest time. Like how they release the rtx3070 before the rx6800 n 6800xt released.

Next month rx6700xt are gonna release soon. Maybe they already got some insight on how good the product will perform so coming out the rtx3060ti first to grab market share. Anyway, given the price, it is a good card with excellent price performance ratio. At least for now.

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