Lol. What I see from here is they take advantage of low stock and ask people to buy full rig. It is just an another way to force people buy full rig and earn more. It's not fair to say like they are the victim from low stock.

To be honest, it's nothing wrong for them to sell full rig instead of single graphic card to maximize their profit. It is their freedom to do what they want with their stock and store. Yes. We haven't reach the level of scalper price in US but it's not because they are so noble and don't want to charge such a high price. It's just that will Malaysia ppl buy when they set the price as scalper price in US? I think majority will just skip it and at the end they harm their own reputation.

I think during this time, it is where consumer play a role. If consumer are not happy with bundle rig then just don't get bundle rig from those seller. Only when they cannot sell it that way, then only they will stop force people to buy the whole rig.

Wow see what nvidia doing. Don't understand why they so upset with honest feedback. Ray tracing was something nice to have but not essential for now as hardware still not powerful enough to get a significant ray tracing result.

They are threatening the reviewer for not saying what they like. Their card actually was not bad just this was a bad way of marketing. Luckily they are not the only graphic card provider in the market.

For me, it sound like an excuse to force people say what they like to hear. Anyway it's their card and they can do whatever they like.

It's up to consumer to decide who they want to support where to spend their money. I wish I can support radeon but unfortunately their price in Malaysia was unreasonable. I will grab rx6800xt if it's close to msrp.

But the current market was crazy regardless of green or red. I guess I will wait till the thing stabilize as I am not rush to get a card.

This post has been edited by wolf1991: Dec 11 2020, 02:02 PM

Lol. I don't think there are any story to be revealed. The conclusion is just nvidia not happy with the review and threaten them to do the way they like or else they won't support.

If there are more story then can just grab a popcorn and enjoy. Their review is quite good and detail, it's a bad marketing decision to simply ban them.

Probably nvidia now shifting the focus to social influencer who are not that technical and to be fair red also doing the same thing. Just that I haven't heard about red ban any technical reviewer just because don't like what they said.

This post has been edited by wolf1991: Dec 11 2020, 02:09 PM

Ya you are right a lot more titles will be coming out with rt but I don't see anything wrong with their comment. If you look at cyberpunk2077, even rtx3090 struggling to run well with ray tracing even with dlss.

The reviewer are just saying what they think and I am agree that the rt was sort of nice to have but not essential at least for now. They are not suppose to question the reviewer but yet they did it and threaten them.

anyway It's nvidia card and they have right to ban them. I just find it was bad marketing decision.

Yes you are right, cannot make a full judgement as we don't know the whole story.

I kind of like hwub review video as they are very detail and it's good that they didn't just do what the company asking them to do and be an independent reviewer.

Yes with rt the radeon perform very badly for cyberpunk 2077. It's a nvidia sponsored title anyway and I think some game are perform better for red and some for green.

Not trying to defend or fanboy to anyone, if look for ray tracing, nvidia is the way to go and amd Malaysia pricing kind of suck although I wish to spend my money on red.

True. With hwub, I don't think they don't have money to buy card for review but if they cannot get direct from green or red, the review gonna delay when every other reviewer already publish the video before the card was available.

So the view and everything will definitely be affected and not to mention they might be not able to order the card when it was release first like what everyone experiencing now. It happen to hwub and it might be happen to other reviewer if they are not a good boy and I think this is not a good thing.

Yup. It's just a pretty word to maximize their profit. First come first serve is the way to go and consumer should support reasonable seller and ban seller who force full rig or scalping the price.

Then only they will realize it's not the way for sustainable business and do the right thing.

Lol. No idea for most of the thing you mentioned but I agree that the amd price in Malaysia was really way too high from msrp, really no idea what amd Malaysia doing.

Not trying to be a fanboy or what, amd presence of amd in graphic card is good as a competition to control the pricing. If radeon 6000 is not around, then they won't release rtx3080ti with probably 1000msrp.

Now nvidia still hold majority of graphic card market. It will be good if the market share can be 50/50 as it is good for consumer in long run. Look at rtx2080ti, the price was so high at that time because they don't have any card in the market that can compete with them.

It's undeniable amd presence is good regardless of how suck amd Malaysia was for the pricing, not to mention didn't offer any reference card to Malaysia that is close to msrp. Anyhow it's good if red can gain more market share, then only green will offer much better product at better price.

No idea where you get the info of 5k for rtx3080ti if 6900xt was priced at 5299. As what I know 3080ti was cancelled initially and nvidia only decided to continue it back after rx6900xt was launch.

Anyway I might be wrong but generally competition is good for consumer. The GPU market is crazy for now, anything was possible. It's consumer call to accept it o not. If price not reasonable then just don't buy it and the market adjust itself.

Yes the malaysia radeon pricing now was suck. Around 3.8k for rx6800xt, way too far from msrp.

Game performance wise I think it's because cyberpunk 2077 was nvidia sponsored title so it is not surprising that it was optimize to run better in nvidia. Just like some game amd run better and some nvidia run better.

For ray tracing yes nvidia is much better than amd for now. Like I mentioned earlier if wanna ray tracing now, better get a nvidia if don't mind to run a game at lower resolution.

I still think the current hardware level not capable to fully run ray tracing. If ray tracing is something u want, better skip current gen instead provided not in rush to get a graphic card.

It's very subjective on the issues itself. Being a reviewer, they have right to decide what is the content of their channel and it's not right for anyone to interrupt with their content. To be fair, it is also nvidia right to decide where they want to send their card. Btw it's just that I feel it's not the right thing to do for nvidia to threaten people to change the content but if u guys think otherwise then is OK for me.

Ohh. I didn't aware about this. Hard to comment as we don't know is there anything happen behind the scene. It might be possible also that nvidia just too confident with themselves and feel the reviewer will just follow their way of doing thing by threatening them.

Regardless of what is the reason, it is not right to force people to say the thing they would like to hear. It's understandable why some reviewer are upset about this, it happen to hwub now and might happen to others when they didn't do the content suit to the taste of nvidia.

Actually, Rtx3060ti is not bad in term of value and performance. Iit is better than 3070. Anyway, it's your money so you can choose to buy whatever you want.

If your current card can do whatever you want, might as well skip this generation where the market was crazy now and 8gb of vram didn't really a good fit for 2020.

Wait till next year January and longer seem like a better option. Nvidia gonna follow their old style of introduce something inferior first then come out with super or ti variant that come with more vram like what always happen.

Anyway, I notice something odd here. I understand this is nvidia subforum but I think some of the comment here are biased.

If this thing happen to amd sure a lot of ppl here saying amd evil this and that but when it happen to nvidia just a lot of people come out to defend them.

I don't understand why some people here not happy with the competition. If no competition and monopoly market by nvidia, then the price will go even worst.

To be fair, this is not applicable to nvidia only. If amd monopoly the market they will also charge more and this is the reality of business. So as consumer competition is good and there are no good or bad company. They just want your money at the end of the day. Like what I said previously 50/50 market share is the best and most balanced for consumer and I am more than happy if more player coming to graphic card market.

Anyway this is just my opinion. I am no amd or nvidia fanboy. I am just a normal consumer. To be fair, I think Amd Malaysia are suck as well as their price was set to ridiculous level of much higher than the msrp.

Yes you are right that they have revenue and income and they might have their own agenda and they are not the consumer friend.

But it's undeniable that sometime those independent review is a good reference for consumer to decide where to spend their money. They might have their own agenda but it's not right for a company to interrupt with their content. What they said is not totally wrong where ray tracing as of now is a bit less significant due to small amount of game using it and the big performance hit is not worth it. The current hardware level was still not capable to run high resolution ray tracing.

Not to mention nvidia was such a big company and their way of handling this was a bit immature and there have a better way to do this. Seem like a wrong move to me. Anyway, it's just my opinion and I might be wrong and please don't take me in a wrong way. I just comment the thing objectively with no biased to any company.

This post has been edited by wolf1991: Dec 12 2020, 04:18 PM

Lol. Ya productivity still nvidia forte and that's the best choice for now. Unfortunately there are no one can compete for that area.

Ya productivity still nvidia advantages and amd cannot compete in that area. I also think that's their reason to focus on gaming.

Hopefully more competitor will join the ground. No need to create a new standard, just something that is similar and can compete on productivity will do.

Consumer are fucked up if some company are monopolized the market.

https://youtu.be/3GyaSfOi6fs

Lol. An update regarding the nvidia email for hwub ban. For me, it's just a political email with pretty word to hide the true intention.

No doubt the product was good but the way how the company handling the issues are not good. Anyway since this is a nvidia “thread”, i think it is hardly to get unbiased feedback here. I am just sharing my opinion.

The way nvidia quote everyone and assume what they think is the fact was annoying.

This post has been edited by wolf1991: Dec 13 2020, 12:37 AM