Take what you will from it.

Well, the controversy here is - they are comparing 2080 to 1080. Shouldn't they be comparing price points at launch instead?

Also they came to a conclusion of 1x2080 = 2x1080 by enabling DLSS. Deep learning super sampling is only confirmed to be supported in like, 4 games now lol.

Can please remove the Jayz video? He's talking out of his ass. He says not to speculate anything then goes to speculate everything himself. Wtf?

Somewhat blind leading the blind. That's the sad state about "tech youtubers".

inb4 Nvidia nerfs Pascal cards to make Turing cards look better... it's not like they've never done it before.

More or less. When the 980 first came out, it was only ~10% faster than the 780Ti on stock. Sure the 980 OC'd like a beast and that gave it up to a ~20% lead.

You can always DSR from a higher resolution to eliminate jaggies... people worry about bottleneck all the time, but forget that there are so ways to actually make use of the headroom your GPUs have.

Those 1080ti sellers pricing their cards at 2.4k or below all don't seem like legit sellers. Check their accounts, never logged in after few days of posting and never bothered to reply PMs. AFAIC, those 2.4k 1080ti second hands are as good as blowing water.

Not surprising. I think it's going to come a point when all the end user can do is give the card the best cooling solution they can and hope that GPU boost does not throttle for the silliest of reasons.

I see overclocking being entirely limited to pressing "preset number 1 - 3" not too far off. Overclocking is very much poised to be a thing for even grandma can do.

There will be games this year itself that will use DLSS and RT.
Shadow of the Tomb Raider will have DLSS and RT next month or so. BF5 will also have it on launch (which is why they delay the launch in the first place).

Well the one good thing about Asus despite their high price mark up is the warranty. They don't ask that many questions in case of RMA, 8/10 times they will just 1 to 1 exchange on the spot.

It's not a leak since they didn't sign any NDA. But expected the 2070 to beat the 1080 anyways - but the price difference between a used 1080 and a new 2070 is still simply too big of a gap.

1080p absolutely if you play at high refresh rates. No CPU in the world now does not bottleneck a 2080Ti at 1080p if pushing for 144hz. If it's just for 60hz, then just why? A 1060 6GB will also provide you 60fps for 4x less money.

1440p, less so but there is still a bottleneck but not significant.

Also, people forget about frametime fluidity and just focus on average FPS. The bigger the bottleneck, the more erratic the frametime is - with lots of spikes, juddering and inconsistent input latency. I'm surprised that we're nearly in 2019 and people still haven't figured out that average FPS means jackshit to how well and smooth a game runs.

There are ways to deal with bottleneck if playing at a lower resolution - like brute forcing the game to run at a higher internal resolution (DSR basically). Unfortunately not all games works well with DSR, it's unbelievable that there are games in 2018 that STILL do not have UI scaling at high resolutions. Then drivers can also screw up DSR (driver 411.63 - 411.70) by introducing a black screen bug and the only way to fix it is a hard reset.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Oct 17 2018, 06:27 PM

The selling point for 2070 is DLSS not ray tracing. The difference between a 2070 using DLSS vs 1080 using TAA is pretty significant. You just need to be willing to bet on DLSS being a mainstream feature.

Let's be clear here, ray tracing isn't a gimmick. Aren't you a photographer? You should know how important lighting is.

Ray tracing is a future for 3D graphics the world is heading to. But it needs a stepping stone and yes, unfortunate as it sounds - people have to be suckers to adopt the first generation of consumer GPUs in order to push the industry forward. It's just a pill that the industry has to swallow, that's all.

Everyone can talk shit about the prices, about how self centered in what nvidia has to give you and all that bigot nonsense, but at the end of the day - ray tracing for the masses need to start somewhere.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Oct 18 2018, 07:37 PM

2080Ti premature deaths has been starting to pile over the last few days... oh boi nvidia.

Maybe.

Also saw a few reports of users saying that by underclocking the the memory about -50mhz and dropping core voltage to -25mv, the card becomes completely stable. This to me sounds like the GDDR6 modules are not manufactured to spec, at least on some batches.

Well on a whole, we're still looking at under 2% of the owner base for 2080 and 2080Ti combined that reported errors. That's still within margin of error that crops up in any products.

It only takes a few reports for an expensive item in regards to faultiness and the whole thing blows up like as if the whole world is having problems. Always, it's basic human nature to blow shit up.


They fixed DSR with 416.34 broke a few games with flickering, fixed the flickering (only with a few games) with 416.64 then broke DSR again. Lol. Yes I have the same problem.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Nov 5 2018, 02:29 PM

Btw, for RTX 2070 would-be buyers; take note that there ARE 2 SKUs of the TU106 die -

1) TU106-400A-A1 (PKWA64)
2) TU106-400-A1 (PKWB27)

The first one are the dies going into the flagship 2070s from all AIBs (MSI Gaming Z, EVGA XC Ultra, etc.). This is the TU106 to go for because, so far it seems almost every 400A die can hit over 2ghz on the core AND hold it at around ~1950mhz long term. The "reference" die are the ones that usually go into the cheapest SKUs and if you look around, many of them have issues even holding beyond 1800mhz long term.





This post has been edited by SSJBen: Nov 6 2018, 12:34 AM

There are some games that has issues with hyper threading (or simultaneous multithreading for AMD), turning it off and having a lower thread count actually improves performance and makes frametime more consistent.

It boils down to the specific game at the end of the day though.