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 Help, Warrior who refuses to tank, Need help to understand the warrior/tank

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Grimwrath
post May 10 2007, 12:53 PM

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Well,

First off i'd like to say please throw away that mindset that Warriors are ONLY for tanking. Players have their own preference, some people prefer to be a DPS thats not so squishy. Not directed at the poster, just the general WoW community.

I didnt bother to read everything, but i gather that your guild is runnin 5 mans and needs a tank but he doesnt want to eh?

He doesnt really need to respec, i have tanked with, Heavy arms/Fury, Heavy Fury/Arms and my favourite Offtank build 34/10/17 all without problems with people that know how to manage their DPS/Agro and knows how to play. He might just need to start collecting more Tanking gear.

As for him losing agro. It's normal, Even a prot spec tank will lose agro if the group spams their skills like crazy getting crit after crit after crit. Let him get initial agro, Nobody pulls other than the tank or a Misdirect hunter as the initial aggro from pulling will help him hold aggro longer. If another class decides to pull, The tank will have to build agro to surpass that of the puller, And usualy for people, once they see the mob beating on the tank they will start spamming their skills including the guy that decided to pull making it very crazy for the tank to maintain agro.

Prolly the group needs to DPS a little bit slower, pace your casts...., Not only will this allow DPS casters to be more mana efficient it also lets the tank hold the mob better. It's Cool to see frostbolt crits 5 times in a row and your name on top of the DPS meter but just dont QQ if the mob comes a runnin after you. Identify who pulls too much aggro in your group. Perhaps the tank is taunting too much from a rogue lets say, Ask the rogue to tone it down so that he can save the taunts to save the first person on the taunt list: The Healer.

If the group does all that Any spec warrior can hold aggro by just spamming sunders, revenge, MS, heroic strike and sheild bash. Ask the tank *if he doesnt do this* to also to spam Sheild Block whenever it is up it will light up Revenge and also helps mitigate damage.

Marks, hmm ....just explain what all the marks are example:
Skull is first kill, X is second kill, Square is trap etc. Explain how the pull will go. If something is marked as kill first ask him to keep building agro while ocasionaly switching to another mob that he is tanking to sunder or perhaps taunt if it runs of to the healer. Letting him know what he will need to do step by step may help avoid confusion and wipes. In this situation all other marks Except those CC-ed and marked as Kill must not be touched. This is so that the tank doesnt have to worry about anything else other than the kill target and second kill target in a big pull. I've had pugs that keeps bangin on X while skull is clearly marked as first kill....what i do in this situation? let him tank it if he wants it so bad. And taunt it off the healer once he is dead.

Healer OOM. Maybe healer is OOM-ing too fast coz he is healing everybody and not just the tank. Again, Aggro management, following marks not only does these ease the job of the tank it also eases the job of the healer and damage mitigation helps too.

Other than that it's all back to basics, Put stam enchants on your tanking gear, buy stam gems etc. A defense rating of 490+ should be good enough for most 70 instances.

Lastly, ask him nicely Say that you guyz Really need a tank to progress. Ask him to read up about tanking and bear with it even he doesnt like it for awhile, at least until you guyz find a dedicated tank and he can be the DPS/Offtank. If he still doesnt want to, dont force him it's his preference and choice. Just go find another guy that is willing to tank for your group.

Never force, it's a game...and if people are FORCED to do sumthin they dont like...the game wont be fun anymore and your RL friend might decide to quit.

Phew thats my advice/rant ;p

Edit:@kidicarus, yes fundementaly they do BUT there are fury tree talents give the warrior some healing if he is critted or using a skill like bloodthirst.

This post has been edited by Grimwrath: May 10 2007, 01:01 PM
Grimwrath
post May 10 2007, 01:32 PM

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Well, initialy i was about to say what you said to myremi but then i remembered about BloodCraze.

Getting critted with 12k armor in defensive stance is not nearly as bad and as getting critted as a clothie and is easily healed through.

Regenerating 3% of your total health where usualy tanks have more than 10k helps. It might not seem like alot but maybe thats what myremi means.

 

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