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TSjagjag
post Mar 8 2018, 10:21 AM, updated 8y ago

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Hi guys..recently sent my car to toyota service center for normal services. But during collection of my car, the staff told me that my drive shaft got problem. "Sudah Koyak". I ask her for more details but unfortunately she seem like not really well versed in technical issue and at that time most of the staff already gone.
So the next working day i called the center and ask again regarding my issue and a guy told me is the right side drive shaft boot ( or something sound like tat ). The replacement for this is RM500++ excluding labour.
Anyone can enlighten me on this and whether the price quoted is fair ??? Any suggestion for workshop around Puchong area to replace this...
Thanks in advance
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post Mar 8 2018, 10:30 AM

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boot is the rubber cover. If drive shaft itself would cost more than that.

1. is your car under warranty?
2. changing outside might be a lot cheaper.

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en/mainte...driveshaft.html
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post Mar 8 2018, 10:31 AM

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If you go to Centre, then, that is the price...I changed brake pad only, cost me rm500/pair...I suggest you to find the part outside and had any workshop to install it...that would be much cheaper...if you seek for quality and professional, then go to Centre...I say this from experience...
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post Mar 8 2018, 10:31 AM

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The drive shaft got rubber boot to cover the gear that connect between tire and with rotating drive shaft. The boot prevent dirt from entering the gear joint there where grease will gather dirt.

The rubber is simple only and replacement will not take long time. RM500 for the part is expensive but probably that is how expensive the authorized service center charged for it. You can go to any workshop for much cheaper price. I have no idea how much but will try to Google it
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post Mar 8 2018, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Mar 8 2018, 10:31 AM)
The drive shaft got rubber boot to cover the gear that connect between tire and with rotating drive shaft. The boot prevent dirt from entering the gear joint there where grease will gather dirt.

The rubber is simple only and replacement will not take long time. RM500 for the part is expensive but probably that is how expensive the authorized service center charged for it. You can go to any workshop for much cheaper price. I have no idea how much but will try to Google it
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Yes. Can change the rubber only...But Centre usually don't replace only small2 parts...they replace the whole set...for example, power window arm...they will change the whole set (arm, switch, motor)...
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post Mar 8 2018, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(Commander Uber @ Mar 8 2018, 10:35 AM)
Yes. Can change the rubber only...But Centre usually don't replace only small2 parts...they replace the whole set...for example, power window arm...they will change the whole set (arm, switch, motor)...
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That's why expensive because they sell the whole drive shaft. Outside workshop sell no more than half the Toyota price, I'm quite sure
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post Mar 8 2018, 10:39 AM

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Here is what is broken for your understanding jagjag



IF you change the rubber only, I believe the rubber would cost around RM30 for good one.
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post Mar 8 2018, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(loki @ Mar 8 2018, 10:30 AM)
boot is the rubber cover. If drive shaft itself would cost more than that.

1. is your car under warranty?
2. changing outside might be a lot cheaper.

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en/mainte...driveshaft.html
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Unfortunately NO more warranty..close to 7 years d..so i'm thinking of changing outside ...any recommendation of good and fair workshop ard puchong area.
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post Mar 8 2018, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Commander Uber @ Mar 8 2018, 10:31 AM)
If you go to Centre, then, that is the price...I changed brake pad only, cost me rm500/pair...I suggest you to find the part outside and had any workshop to install it...that would be much cheaper...if you seek for quality and professional, then go to Centre...I say this from experience...
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For brake pad, my own experience changing outside is cheaper only by very minimal amount and the parts is not really genuine as claimed by them. A lot of black/red powder discharge and very fast wear out. So for the second time changing, i opt for service center.
Anyway for this drive shaft boot, guess i will search from outside as the price quoted is really too high.
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QUOTE(Commander Uber @ Mar 8 2018, 10:35 AM)
Yes. Can change the rubber only...But Centre usually don't replace only small2 parts...they replace the whole set...for example, power window arm...they will change the whole set (arm, switch, motor)...
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Maybe this is the reason the price is so high. But they never properly explain to me the actual situation. All the staff is not so well versed.
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post Mar 8 2018, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Mar 8 2018, 11:43 AM)
Maybe this is the reason the price is so high. But they never properly explain to me the actual situation. All the staff is not so well versed.
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Which service centre did you go? I always go Cheras Toyota Centre...Their techincians all know about technical stuff...very knowledgeable...they even recommend to go outside for cheaper price parts or small2 matter...I like to go to centre because they will check in and out of your car...at least you know your car's condition/status...not like normal workshop, they check only area where you tell them...

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post Mar 8 2018, 02:02 PM

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RM500 might very well be just the rubber boot, in my experience with Toyota, the entire drive shaft is not that cheap.
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post Mar 8 2018, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(Commander Uber @ Mar 8 2018, 01:26 PM)
Which service centre did you go? I always go Cheras Toyota Centre...Their techincians all know about technical stuff...very knowledgeable...they even recommend to go outside for cheaper price parts or small2 matter...I like to go to centre because they will check in and out of your car...at least you know your car's condition/status...not like normal workshop, they check only area where you tell them...
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Me at Tmn Perindustrian Puchong. Yes they actually always do a throughout check and highlight the problem if there is. But this time after 2 stuff also can't relate the issue to me clearly. Or it's me that cannot get what they trying to say.
Anyway will look outside for more opinion / alternative..
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post Mar 8 2018, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Mar 8 2018, 02:02 PM)
RM500 might very well be just the rubber boot, in my experience with Toyota, the entire drive shaft is not that cheap.
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Then for sure is cut throat...a fren of my say sud be ard 100+ only..Well have to check again with the workshop
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QUOTE(jagjag @ Mar 8 2018, 02:17 PM)
Me at Tmn Perindustrian Puchong. Yes they actually always do a throughout check and highlight the problem if there is. But this time after 2 stuff also can't relate the issue to me clearly. Or it's me that cannot get what they trying to say.
Anyway will look outside for more opinion / alternative..
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Just get half cut for the rubber...
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post Mar 9 2018, 11:04 AM

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is there any tell signs for a faulty drive shaft or the 'rubber'?
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QUOTE(kurty @ Mar 9 2018, 11:04 AM)
is there any tell signs for a faulty drive shaft or the 'rubber'?
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For me NO, but my car is having problem with the lower arm for quite some time. But for this case i just ignore it until it become unbearable.
Having say this, just as last nite, i notice there's 'kok' sound on my front right suspension ( my drive shaft boot problem also at the same location )..donno its the sign of the boot issue or just the lower arm issue again... confused.gif confused.gif confused.gif
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post Mar 9 2018, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(kurty @ Mar 9 2018, 11:04 AM)
is there any tell signs for a faulty drive shaft or the 'rubber'?
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Drive Shaft if damaged got few symptoms:
1) outer CV joint drive shaft - while U turn got vibrate and noise
2) inner CV joint drive shaft - while starting moving dead stop sometimes can feel jerk and noise and vibration when travelling fast on highway say 90km/h and above
3) the shaft itself - if bended due to strong impact also vibration during high cruising at highway say 90km/h
4) CV joint boot - when the boot first started to torn you will start to experiencing hearing some grinding noise while driving but no jerk or vibrate when turning but as time goes by the those jerky and vibration symptom will get more noticeable cause water and sand will enter into the CV joints and the grease will leak out.

My foreman told me Best is to change to those silicone based CV joint. more durable and more resistant to chemical attack when come into contact with all sorts of lubricants.

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QUOTE(sonic_darkknight @ Mar 9 2018, 11:28 AM)
Drive Shaft if damaged got few symptoms:
1) outer CV joint drive shaft - while U turn got vibrate and noise. Some 'krok krok' sound
2) inner CV joint drive shaft - while starting moving dead stop sometimes can feel jerk and noise and vibration when travelling fast on highway say 90km/h and above
3) the shaft itself - if bended due to strong impact also vibration during high cruising at highway say 90km/h
4) CV joint boot - when the boot first started to torn you will start to experiencing hearing some grinding noise while driving but no jerk or vibrate when turning but as time goes by the those jerky and vibration symptom will get more noticeable cause water and sand will enter into the CV joints and the grease will leak out.experience this b4 but after last round service, no more.

My foreman told me Best is to change to those silicone based CV joint. more durable and more resistant to chemical attack when come into contact with all sorts of lubricants.
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Apart from item 1 & 4, i did not notice any of this sign. Maybe i'm not good in recognizing all this symptoms ..

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post Mar 9 2018, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(sonic_darkknight @ Mar 9 2018, 11:28 AM)
Drive Shaft if damaged got few symptoms:
1) outer CV joint drive shaft - while U turn got vibrate and noise
2) inner CV joint drive shaft - while starting moving dead stop sometimes can feel jerk and noise and vibration when travelling fast on highway say 90km/h and above
3) the shaft itself - if bended due to strong impact also vibration during high cruising at highway say 90km/h
4) CV joint boot - when the boot first started to torn you will start to experiencing hearing some grinding noise while driving but no jerk or vibrate when turning but as time goes by the those jerky and vibration symptom will get more noticeable cause water and sand will enter into the CV joints and the grease will leak out.

My foreman told me Best is to change to those silicone based CV joint. more durable and more resistant to chemical attack when come into contact with all sorts of lubricants.
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outer CV joint drive shaft - refers to the right? i experience this before when making U turn.
inner CV joint drive shaft - refers to the left?

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post Mar 9 2018, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(jagjag @ Mar 9 2018, 11:44 AM)
Apart from item 1 & 4, i did not notice any of this sign. Maybe i'm not good in recognizing all this symptoms ..
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That means you are probably having an outer CV joint problem, if you can experience all means your whole driveshaft totally kaput d....which is highly impossible to have such occurrence at one time. another logical reason would be if you are doing rally jumping earth bund all the time sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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I've crack boot covers too... solution.. 3D print TPU fixing parts...
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QUOTE(sonic_darkknight @ Mar 9 2018, 12:37 PM)
That means you are probably having an outer CV joint problem, if you can experience all means your whole driveshaft totally kaput d....which is highly impossible to have such occurrence at one time. another logical reason would be if you are doing rally jumping earth bund all the time sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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Haha...to be frank i can consider myself a careful driver and no doubt i'm a car lover...9 out of 10 ppl when saw my car, they will tell that i really take good care of my car..anyway that's the outlook only lah.
Mechanical wise, i really no good in that but for all the close to 7 years of ownership, i only sent to sc for services except changing tyres i sent to outside workshop.
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post Mar 12 2018, 09:59 AM

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Hi all..just some updates on my problem...goin to a workshop recommended by a fren and he confirmed its the drive shaft boot 'koyak' but unfortunately they don have the tools to replace it.
So i went to another workshop and immediately they saw the same problem. In fact after inspecting its the inner boot which is teared. The boot itself costing RM 78 only but they need to re-grease it and also once we dismantle the parts, the gear oil will leak and need to replace.
Also after that need to do balancing and re-alignment as well as the cambering.
So once everything add in..the bill come up to RM438.
Compare to Toyota sc, they told me the drive shaft parts olede cost RM500++, so i guess with all the added item..guess how much it will end up to.
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post Mar 12 2018, 04:00 PM

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Agree that RM500 should be the boot only if it is from dealership service center.

I remember it cost arpund rm400 for one side, vios, China made, if you source locally.
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QUOTE(jagjag @ Mar 12 2018, 09:59 AM)
Hi all..just some updates on my problem...goin to a workshop recommended by a fren and he confirmed its the drive shaft boot 'koyak' but unfortunately they don have the tools to replace it.
So i went to another workshop and immediately they saw the same problem. In fact after inspecting its the inner boot which is teared. The boot itself costing RM 78 only but they need to re-grease it and also once we dismantle the parts, the gear oil will leak and need to replace.
Also after that need to do balancing and re-alignment as well as the cambering.
So once everything add in..the bill come up to RM438.
Compare to Toyota sc, they told me the drive shaft parts olede cost RM500++, so i guess with all the added item..guess how much it will end up to.
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Firstly, Toyota SC in Penang also quoted me a rough estimation of RM400-plus for one boot replacement for my old Vios (I assumed it included workmanship, but I didn't ask). Yes, just for changing the rubber boot. I've bought original boots for other Toyota cars and they are not cheap although they appear to be made from rubber. In addition, the original boot kit also has the clips (iirc) and the grease needed to re-grease the joint.
When we do at outside mechanic, chances are they will use any grease they have in their shop and they may not clean the joint section properly. Coupled with some dirt trapped there you might see accelerated wear and tear - especially if the boot has been sheared off and you have already lost all the grease in the first place.

Having said that, I changed mine at outside workshop for RM100-plus. There are two ways to do it. One is to take out the drive shaft from the gb connection. This is where you will lose your ATF and you need to top it up back. Many shops will store this drained ATF in a container to be re-used (whether you are particular with the cleanliness of the stored oil is up to you). The other way is to use a "spreader" to stretch the boot so that you don't need to dismantle the drive shaft if you are replacing the outer boot.

Your bill seems a little too high, even if you factor in the wheel alignment job and the ATF.
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QUOTE(mushigen @ Mar 12 2018, 11:32 PM)
Firstly, Toyota SC in Penang also quoted me a rough estimation of RM400-plus for one boot replacement for my old Vios (I assumed it included workmanship, but I didn't ask). Yes, just for changing the rubber boot. I've bought original boots for other Toyota cars and they are not cheap although they appear to be made from rubber. In addition, the original boot kit also has the clips (iirc) and the grease needed to re-grease the joint.
When we do at outside mechanic, chances are they will use any grease they have in their shop and they may not clean the joint section properly. Coupled with some dirt trapped there you might see accelerated wear and tear - especially if the boot has been sheared off and you have already lost all the grease in the first place.

Having said that, I changed mine at outside workshop for RM100-plus. There are two ways to do it. One is to take out the drive shaft from the gb connection. This is where you will lose your ATF and you need to top it up back. Many shops will store this drained ATF in a container to be re-used (whether you are particular with the cleanliness of the stored oil is up to you). The other way is to use a "spreader" to stretch the boot so that you don't need to dismantle the drive shaft if you are replacing the outer boot.

Your bill seems a little too high, even if you factor in the wheel alignment job and the ATF.
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Thanks for the clarification...and yes, the risk of doin it at outside workshop i'm aware of it but since we already more or less confirmed that toyota sc will for sure cut our throat, i left no choice. But also i don have a reliable workshop to go with. The one that i did is actually i've known them for very long but also i know their price is bit higher compare to others.
I've tried the one my friend recommend but as i said they can't replace it for me...
Others recommended is too far from my place so no choice back to my this 'old' workshop. It's very near and also very friendly with me. sweat.gif sweat.gif
Now i can only hope that the problem won't reoccur..keep my finger cross
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500 also cant pay when driving altis, my turbo gone case also settle rm5k no problem
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QUOTE(DigitalMop @ Mar 14 2018, 01:38 PM)
500 also cant pay when driving altis, my turbo gone case also settle rm5k no problem
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post Mar 15 2018, 09:52 AM

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Haha..boasting wealth of 5000...better find a better place than here...
I only drive a Altis ..with installment of 3 years not cash ( poorer than you )
I'm not rich for sure nor i'm poor..but i'm wise enough not simply burn 500 away if i have the chance to save some of it...cheer
BTW for all the good advise from all the other K, i have to say THANK YOU...and i'm really appreciate your help ...
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QUOTE(jagjag @ Mar 15 2018, 09:52 AM)
Haha..boasting wealth of 5000...better find a better place than here...
I only drive a Altis ..with installment of 3 years not cash ( poorer than you )
I'm not rich for sure nor i'm poor..but i'm wise enough not simply burn 500 away if i have the chance to save some of it...cheer
BTW for all the good advise from all the other K, i have to say THANK YOU...and i'm really appreciate your help ...
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QUOTE(sonic_darkknight @ Mar 9 2018, 11:28 AM)
Drive Shaft if damaged got few symptoms:
1) outer CV joint drive shaft - while U turn got vibrate and noise
2) inner CV joint drive shaft - while starting moving dead stop sometimes can feel jerk and noise and vibration when travelling fast on highway say 90km/h and above
3) the shaft itself - if bended due to strong impact also vibration during high cruising at highway say 90km/h
4) CV joint boot - when the boot first started to torn you will start to experiencing hearing some grinding noise while driving but no jerk or vibrate when turning but as time goes by the those jerky and vibration symptom will get more noticeable cause water and sand will enter into the CV joints and the grease will leak out.

My foreman told me Best is to change to those silicone based CV joint. more durable and more resistant to chemical attack when come into contact with all sorts of lubricants.
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Sifu, if during idle I turn my steering wheel to the right (consider sharp turn) and then step on pedal gas lightly, I can feel something “loose” from car undercarriage. And of coz with some weird sounds too. Is this also drive shaft?

 

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