dun bring melee dun bring melee dun bring melee. I've done and completed every heroic and i must say the group i alwaz run with, Druid + SP + tank + ele shaman + frost mage is the most versatile. If ele shaman + mage is geared n skilled 3 mobs are already cced effectively with sheep and 2 kited. And of cos SP there being a mana battery.

not putting down on melee but just healing me one person is easier than healing an additional person. 2 ppl who can kite n kill their mob by themselves quicker than anything rather than a dps melee class who cant kite (probably can but cant kill it) the choice is pretty obvious. Its doable but reali u wouldnt understand how much simpler n smoother it is w/o a melee.

i'm not saying its not possible but its just alot easier. Its reali blizzard mechanic faults which they are fixing in the upcoming patch. And my guild rogues have no problem gearing thru the 10 n 25man =p i think most rogues just wan midnight legguards -.- I'm more than happy to bring a rogue fren if he needs something from a particular heroic but if just farming heroics for nethers n badges i'm reali all for my non melee group. And i love druid over any in 5mans mainly for their strong HoTs.

priest can rez...and druid can brez.

If ur dps is nuking a target and cant pull aggro, sry the dps aint good enuf.


But for eg : Double trinket pull defender, by the time the first defender reach me the one they are on almost dead. which is easier? =p Way more easier than waitin to heal for one and tank. And these are easy heroics. Maybe the harder ones like heroic SL n SH are a much noticable difference. I constantly have to get my guild mates attuned to trial of naaru quests, finding the most ideal setup is crucial to me as it is a tiresome chore to repeatly go in these annoying instances trust me. I nvr have to wait for sap or ask ppl wait awhile for aggro, just sheep n shaman n mage nuke their target along with the sp. i tank the rest n by the time they finish i have complete aggro on the rest for them to nuke. Its just nuke the whole way. SH questline done in 30mins to executioner? Doubt u can do that with a rogue. By no means again i say rogue is not viable, but when u have to the cumbersome duty of alwaz tanking some tedious instances a ranged group is just simply the best. Reach last boss switch ppl out zone in n finish the quest.

Again i stress i'm just pointing out on my version of an optimised 5man heroic setup. Rogues are definitely viable and have extreme dps but when compared on efficiency just not as good as ranged.

Ya surely but that's only 2 fights and in fact if u replace the rogues with shammies with 5secs shocks (with talents) and double bloodlust i would have just countered your argument.

Yes i'm not avoiding this fact. I know rogues do awesome dps. I was only talkin in 5man circumstances and by no means 25man.

haha that can be rough. When ur a tank for ur guild n ur guild is planning to progress to The Eye especially and by duty u have to run guildies thru the trial of naaru quests, u will understand my position alot better.

Tank n spank? Seriously its BC already. Grow up already and shift out of that concept. Having them focus one mob first w/o even reaching me first is definitely better than having "the warrior tank one more additional mob". With this u just showed that ur primitive tank n spank method is infinitely slower than what i've just suggested.

I MT for my guild with magtheridon kill to our belt. Obviously i can hold my ground as a tank. Seeing that u havent pass kara, well what can i say. And judging from ur gear n gauging what dps u can do with it, i can eat fried rice and tank at the same time.

As for running with well geared ppl,
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/?#charac...9;Thos&n=Snakey
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/characte...27Thos&n=Haukun

these are the 2 ppl i alwaz blaze thru heroics with. Just had an armory on ya and i can tell ur heroics are painful to run with. And assuming you're not boasting n telling the truth on ur strength of ur dps, imagine how much faster it is for my group to do it consider they can burst dmg like 100000000 times faster than u? lol. But just to reiterate i wasnt reali stressing on this point in the last post but rather how versatile these 2 classes with the ability to kite n an extra sheep where as all u have to offer is an occasional blind and taking dmg.

If u wanna diss ppl and sound almighty, at least have first hand experience of what content is like beyond heroic slave pens. Reading forum posts n watching videos are not the way to do it lol. And seriously kara is not that hard, my guild only raid 3 days a week and still able to down mag. Maybe u need to reconsider ur skill lvl. just a suggestion. Thanks for challenging me in ur last post. Its been a while since i responded to clueless ppl.

Find a shaman with more spell dmg? Any shaman on this forum in pve gear has close to 800 spell dmg or even close pls speak up. That is rare. And mage is wearing pvp gear? Respecced for pvp? U by just saying that i know u LACK INSIGHT. gratz on ur cluelessness. lol ur just a tool laughable at best. Again l2p. Dude its 5man. U dun need to tank n spank trash mobs pls. Get it out of ur big fat moronic head. MOB DIE IN 5SECS TANK WHAT? LOL. And i brought ur guild progression to show UR LACK OF EXPERIENCE in any form of raiding which ur lacking hence ur stubborness. Ya n u speak u dun do kara and in some other post u talk of ur curator fights being 5-6mins long? Again quit trying to brag or as a maater of fact save face. Sure find me 1million guilds that are on my guild progression. And besides its urs against mine. U might as well bring nihilium into ey? Grow a pair of balls and use urself as an eg. Ur server for 1 has only 2? lol. And again my guild only raid 3 days a week and we're casual wif most members working full time jobs. That alone shows the amount of quality we have. U being w/o any real hand experience on what raiding is trying to chalk up claims of what-not hahahaha seriously is funny. And stop using ppl kill this and blah blah blah when ur not doing it. Saying personaly kara is not hard but u cant find 9ppl who has ur vision is just shifting the blame. U have 3 protection tanks at least so far LOL. Still tryin to gear themselves up? hahahaha. Seriously ur digging urself deeper into shame. Maybe u run ur heroics with other ppl rather ur guild that's y u "claim" u can do everything. But in all seriousness, gear plays a shitload in heroics, and judging from ur guild's gear or just urs alone compared to mine its simply LOL? But maybe u fully raid buff urself just for heroics hahaha. I most definitely can tank while eating fried rice if i have u as my dps. If u dun have anything to back urself u just need to stfu n be quiet cos again ur talk has nothing to show for. U have no gear to show for. U have no guild to show for. Therefore u have nothing to prove for. If any1 has a clue on who to believe, its pretty damn obvious aint it. lol.

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Added on May 9, 2007, 10:44 amNo my healer is a druid. Yes i'm glad finally someone agreed. Healing one person is way simpler than healing 2. The whole idea is to create easeness n simplicity running 5mans. And u get that if u optimise what the other classes can do with their skills n dmg. Y couldnt quazacolt just reply in a frenly manner is beyond me.


This post has been edited by Kurei: May 9 2007, 10:44 AM

Well he decided to start lashing out at me so hell y not be as frank as we can about one another right? If my earlier opinions provoked him to do so, it was nvr meant to. but now, hmmm the posts speaks for itself.

Glad there are ppl who share my point of view. =p

ya it is possible for certain heroics even now. Just more difficult but it is a nice challenge.

I love druid healing me and he's healed me thru every heroic. But of cos i run with a mana battery SP so dun need to worry much about mana. fantastic hots, strong heals,brez. Pretty much varies on gear. Mediocore gear sure the pally is better but a good gear druid pretty much gives a pally a run for his money in 5mans. And about bring squishy, bear form ftw!

This post has been edited by Kurei: May 12 2007, 01:43 AM

If ur tank uses berserker rage u wont have that problem.

Its that moment when tank gets repentance n getting whacked out of it by consecretion that makes maiden buggy. Thats y u have ur tank berserker rage first to prevent that from happening.