Hello all,

I don't know if you've heard of the Law of Attraction, but it's something that has found increased relevance in my mind recently as a way of thinking or living, and something that I wonder if members of LYN have thought about or sought out before.

In a very basic sense, the Law of Attraction concerns the notion or idea that one's thoughts are the fabric of reality, or the idea that the outcomes that a person thinks about will eventually be the ones that are realized.

Whether this is true or not? That's something that people discuss and debate. Some believe it, some don't, and others like me think that a person needs certain life experiences to appreciate the Law: The Law, in my opinion, is a guide toward achieving the goals of one's guide (and a very good one), but that even if someone is shown a door, it is senseless to think that one will achieve their goals if they fail to walk through it.

What do you think, and what are your thoughts and views on the Law of Attraction? Interested to hear your views, thoughts, and perspectives!


This post has been edited by Exoflare: Feb 11 2018, 09:24 AM

If anyone is interested or compelled to discuss this further, there is a WhatsApp group in which we discuss or think about the law of attraction and its implications.

If you're interested in joining, PM me your name and WhatsApp number!

This post has been edited by Exoflare: Feb 27 2018, 09:49 AM

So how is Law of Attraction a real thing, or merely just a matter of opinion on how it should be defined? If it is the latter, then it's not so much of a "law", no? It would appear that a more accurate term would be "Presuppositions of Attraction", or "Hypotheses of Attraction", as opposed to calling it a "law".

Also it appears that the "Law of Attraction" has been called a pseudoscience, with misuse of scientific concepts by its proponents. Not something that attracts me to learn that fact.

Shermer, Michael (1 June 2007). "The (Other) Secret". Scientific American. Retrieved 31 March 2017.
Stenger, Victor J. "Cosmic Mind" (PDF). University of Colorado. pp. 8–19. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2015-09-24.
Leon Lederman; Dick Teresi (1993). The God Particle: If the Universe is the Answer, What is the Question. Houghton Mifflin Company. pp. 189–198.
Non-science posing as science; Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_attrac...n_(New_Thought)

The I.T. Crowd series portrays this in a rather humorous way as well:



This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Feb 11 2018, 12:38 PM

The only real thug about law of attraction is that it conditions your mind in a certain way.

But without sufficient action it is merely bogus.

There is no evidence that the world will listen to your thoughts. But having a positive mindset and being proactive in getting things done will.

You can't just will an arm to grow back or get a girlfriend by staying in the room most of the time. Even if you think about attracting a girlfriend 24/7

No wonderlah, K dream of fap plastic, but end up marry landwhale or foreveralone left hand right hand.

The concept of law of attraction by itself is useless.

Just thinking and willing something doesn't make it happen magically. There is no evidence that it will. You can't just think about being rich and not take action. The world will not just give you money.

So it's useless to just think about it 247 by yourself. You need action and massive action.

To achieve anything, you first have to think about it, believe that the universe will give you the best that you can have, then only you start to do it, and eventually you will get something that is related to your first thought.

This post has been edited by Incarnation: Feb 11 2018, 02:50 PM

That's just conventional common sense, without the need to involve the universe.

AFAIK: believe, trust, think and action.

...Don't really care, lol.

Agreed, the Law of Attraction as a standalone concept would be meaningless, and...


Agreed. Action is 100% necessary, without action there is no result - Which is why I have started thinking of the law of attraction in this new and practical sense of directing one's thoughts. Can't get rich without taking actions, right?

Yes!

Then it wouldn't serve much purpose in this thread, wouldn't it? Nor the idea of a discussion nor a debate.

Not sure if this is law of attraction or not.

Last time when I was getting in my car, misplaced an important document on the car roof and drove off to client's place. About 10 min on the road, I was searching for the document then realized that i misplaced it on the car roof. Shit, with the hope of document still there, I quickly came out of the car to check. And yes, it's still there!! clamping to the upper car door edge. Seriously, I'm speechless but thankfully.

This is just one of multiple other occasion I've experience. What I learned is that anything that can happen, it will happen.

You can refer to it as one thing or another, but I simply do not care enough to change "The Law of Attraction", which is what the phrase is known as, to something different. You can think of it in whatever way you prefer to call it, but it makes no difference to my decision or to the extent to which I care about your personal thought process concerning the issue, which is... Minimal. You can call it a hypothesis or you can call it a assertion or supposition. I am not interested enough in your semantics to believe that this warrants action or a debate on my part, lol.

Now, proceeding to a more civil discourse, one can indeed say that the "Law of Attraction" is not a "Law", but one can also say otherwise. One thing is for sure - The "Law of Attraction" is something that a person has to choose and experience in life.


I am not sure about the relationship with the Law of Attraction here. I personally don't think this is related, but I welcome other perspectives.


Ok, and you were saying that these were important words...?

Your post is here.

Anything else very educated that you want to share, o walking inferiority complex? Deleting your post confirms I'm a fake Christian? Sorry, not sure how any of that relates to Christianity or a holy book. You want to showcase which cult you're a part of that teaches this?

Funny, you say that you do not need to post here, but you carry on to every thread that I post in and make posts there. Why do you do that? Why do you follow my postings like an obsessed child, seeking for attention like a dog in thirst pants for water, attention that you know that you will never receive because I have no love for you? Do you desire my scathing rebukes because you enjoy being mocked or having your family, conscience, and your face pushed down into the mud, or did you simply never recover from the point at which I singled out your lack of educational attainment and pushed your face in the mud repeatedly even as you knew little or nothing about my actual life or any of the people that you insulted on this forum without regard for their life circumstances?

Each day and each post that goes by, my view of you becomes ever more dim, and nobody showcases interest in replying to you because your points are dull, your intelligence appears limited, and nobody is interested in socializing with you because your posts are either out of context or lack evidence of intellectual capacity.

As far as my life is concerned, if you do not post in my threads, I have no need or desire to engage you. You do not seem to understand this very basic principle! Start your thread please, because I will know then how invested you are in what I have to say ^^

This post has been edited by Exoflare: Feb 12 2018, 03:50 PM

It's 'cheek', genius boy

What you attract , what you are attracted to - its all predestined as life is .

We have the illusion to make choices and being in control but it leads to the same final destination.

Just a thought , may have a diff opinion next time.

Except that it's not really semantics. If the Law of Attraction isn't really a law and it's really more of a hypothesis or merely a presupposition, then by the definition alone, it could not be something that is true. Unless it can be proven that it is indeed a law the same way how other physical laws that can be reproducible, then it isn't really a "law", and if it isn't really a law, then the notion of entertaining it to be a true idea would to make a blatant assumption that a presupossition or a hypthesis is also true, which they're not.

In addition, you have also mentioned that "The "Law of Attraction" is something that a person has to choose and experience in life.". May I ask why is that, or rather, how do you know that to be sure? Not only this requires a better explanation, but also an elaboration on exactly what is the "something" a person has to choose and experience in life. I'm sure all of us make choices either way in our lives, but I can't exactly connect to what you've said about this "Law of Attracttion" that you speak of.

Are you by any chance hinting that, in order to know whether the "Law of Attraction" is true or not, one has to "choose" and "experience" it? If so, how do you exactly "choose" and "experience" this particular "Law"? Was it through psychological affirmation that you will get what you want? What if you did not get what you want? Does that mean the "choice" and "experience" made was somehow inefficient? If so, how? If a child in Africa has the psychological affirmation that they want to eat something to stay alive but ended up dying because they can't find any food, was it because they had a "bad attitude" throughout their phychological affirmations?

Way too many holes in a so-called "law", and it would be even more dubious if it's not exactly something that we can test and research on it.

And colloquially, it does sound similar to what we used to call "wishful thinking", and if this "law" is supposed to be different, I would like to see how it is so.

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Feb 12 2018, 04:27 PM

Um no, I'm saying that I'm going to call it the Law of Attraction regardless of what you think.

Also possible, but I don't think it is within the human domain of knowledge to have perfect knowledge of whether it is predestination or freedom of choice. In practical terms, you can probably live your life as if either applies but nonetheless have mental consistency...

I believe in it, need to stay positive and let universe works it way while I strive and work towards my goals. Take the leap and keep thinking of what to achieve.

Conscious mind - subconscious mind - body.
Have to change my paradigm to think positive in order for LoA to work well. Consciously need to take away negative and replace with positive, affirm myself and think, visualize that already achieved it, then subconsciously will keep that good vibrations and project such into the universe. Thus your body will action in the direction of the goal, the potential opportunities and chances of something to happen as per goal.

Btw, have you seen signs of manifestation? Certain numbers repetition appears frequently? 1111, 333, 777?

The Law of Attraction is powerful
I have been introduced to it by my senior kolik

What a theory

This post has been edited by Lyu: Feb 13 2018, 12:42 PM

By risking cognitive dissonance of how the definition of the word "law" in the "Law of Attraction" that may contradict with the other laws, particularly the laws of physics that we know?

Or the correct question would be, why would you be making an exception with this "law" and call it a "law" anyway? I think I would rather listen to your side of reasoning first.

Err, I really hope that you're not making wild guesses about how the "Law of Attraction" works, before finding out the "Law" even is about in the first place.

And no, I have not see any of the signs of manifestations. What does this mean for the Law of Attraction?

In addition, what are the "vibrations" that you're talking about that can be projected into the universe? How does that also affect the chances of you getting to your goal, without possibly violating the laws of physics as well?

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Feb 13 2018, 04:51 PM

I don't get you, please elaborate.

You mean elaborate my questions? I thought my questions are quite clear. I wasn't making a point, so there's nothing to elaborate, as I am merely asking questions.

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Feb 13 2018, 04:53 PM

I spent some time on reddit's LoA sub

Now I'm practicing with my own "modified" method.

Instead of letting go, I just pretend whatever I intend to happen have already happened.

So far so good, small things have manifested. Haven't gone big yet.

...or u can smoke some serious good weeed.

Of course you can call it whatever you like, but being a law there are some requirements to it, at least it has to be worded precisely so it is not wide opened to wild interpretation and if it is about physical reality, the statement must contain the quality of a mathematical formula. So far it feels the law is subjective, the wishy-washy nature of anecdotal experience brought to bear and opinions that are only skin deep.

Hmm, that has happened before, but it was actually before I had started to learn about the law of attraction. It was probably a teaser to it I suppose, but there was a time when I would see the number 42 everywhere. Lecture slides, street signs, car number plates, the timing of specific events. Less so nowadays though, but it showcases that LoA can indeed be a very specific form of confirmation bias.


Yeah, there are coaches for Law of Attraction amongst other things (though there are coaches for everything), and the Law itself has a strong ability to bring you into contact with people that can help you to bring your desired outcome into realization.

Law of Attraction is a proper noun. Happy? Better be, it's not going to change.

That is the way I have thought about it and continue to think about it - For example, you can think about yourself having a target amount of knowledge, resources, or physical strength, and having already attained it, which I do on a regular basis.

The more I think about how my life would change, the less I feel that it would, because my life process would broadly remain the same - It happened the same way when I was poorer just a few months ago, and what I have gained I expect will not fundamentally change me.... Or perhaps it is because the change is actively taking place but it is taking place subtly and I am already on the path to achieving my goals.

I do integrate it with prayer as well and recognise that no matter what I expect, it is God that does the work, creates the circumstances, and puts my mind and heart in a place where I am capable of receiving.

And mathematics has the profound quality of describing reality in all of its ways? Please say more!

Because mathematics is the language of God. It is also the language which can be used to refute confirmation bias.

Ok, many questions opening up here 😅

A) Language of God? Aren't you an atheist?
B) And how exactly does mathematics refute confirmation bias?

I do believe in law of attraction. It really does happen if you really take notice. Like many have said, when you want something and think and visualise about it, sooner or later, it will come true. But of course with some action and effort.

It can happen as easy as, for example, sometimes when I think about a sports car, a really rare sports car to see in my town. Few days later suddenly that exact sports car drive past by. Note that it's really rare and hard to see any sports car in my town.

What I'm trying to say is, our mind attracts what we think and visualise.

Not if it doesn't reflect reality. If something that is full of anecdotal fallacies can be called a "law", exactly what's stopping from every prepositions, assumptions, and hypotheses to also be called a "law"?

I have been seeing number 86, 333 and 777 lately. They have their meanings if you look them up, but it also depends on the person's significance to the number.

My car has number 86 behind, I drove to the lake park for a walk. Gone though second hand car dealers along the way, noticed few 86 cars. Then towards the lake park traffic light, I looked left saw 86 on parked car, I went "What the hell?" and turned right then saw another 86 car opposite junction. It felt strange.

I took note that I will see 86 when I generally feel glad, contented, hopeful looking forward. I believe that I am positive and have good energy now thus I have shifted my subconscious mind to accept the universe and detach from outcome. Which that caused person to have a confirmation bias, subconsciously. Good high vibrations of the mind would tend to look out for good things subconsciously and thus land the person in the direction or chance of something to manifest.

That is my theory from what I have studied, researched and experienced so far.

I have also researched that, to act as if and visualize as had happened to generate the thought of abundance and not the feeling of lack. Instead of telling yourself want, need something, use I am, have or attract.

The part of letting go is not not keep thinking and fixated on the goal to cause a sense of lack thus subconsciously you feel the goal gap and LoA can't work as person feel the lack.

I think I may have manifested some substantial events back then because I thought I will be there soon. It took quite a while (years) to manifest, and when it about to I don't put too much hope on it, if it happens it happens, indifferent to outcome until I actually got it.

Some things I didn't manifest or dropped out from manifestation because, I want it so badly, so strongly when near to potential manifestation, but then I doubt myself and doubt the circumstances. Recently I only got to know about LoA and reflect back to these events, it sort of make sense now.

Hmmm, this happened the other day with another friend of mine, wherein we were having a conversation about LoA (it is starting to be a frequent topic in our groups), and he saw someone that he had happened to think about.... But I don't know if that is just coincidence or indeed this is one of the expected parts of LoA. Coincidence and fate are difficult to differentiate.


Absolutely nothing. It's not your choice what other people decide on.

P.S. I think you mean propositions, lol

This post has been edited by Exoflare: Feb 14 2018, 03:09 PM

Numbers lead you to manifestations? Eh, possibly. The number 42 does appear in a few parts of my life. Had to finish 42 classes to graduate from university, mum was 42 when she gave birth to me, etc. Thinking back, I don't think I would have seen my case as manifestation of specific outcomes as much as manifestations of the number itself because I had assumed that it would come about on a daily basis... Which it did. Craziest instance was when I saw it happen through a 30 day period, inclusive of a single Uber ride on a street where I saw the number at least 200 times throughout the course of an hour, a wrestling coach who called himself #42 waiting outside a bus stop on my way to school, a couple in KLIA who had met at age 42 and decided to travel around the world leaving their car in South Africa, etc. I could go on and on.

Now that I don't think about it as much, the number does not showcase as much. I must say, however, that even if it doesn't showcase that something apart from the number itself will manifest that this case does illustrate the law of attraction in action and as a matter of simple practice with something that is concrete.

Will this work with other things in life? Well, that's what you're here to find out, isn't it?

Definitely. You have to control your emotions and your thoughts, which is made a lot easier if you have evidence that convinces you of manifestation in your past. I think that this is the state that I am in now (having evidence), and I will continue to direct my attention toward achieving what I have already attained.

This post has been edited by Exoflare: Feb 14 2018, 02:36 PM

A) It depends on your point of view, whether mathematics is discovered or invented
B) Statistical analysis

A) Can you clarify?
B) Can you clarify?

A)No
B)No

A) 👍
B) ✌️

Agreed.

I have also heard that if a person practices LoA more, the more easier and specific for things to manifest.

This post has been edited by santik: Feb 14 2018, 03:22 PM

If this is true unnaturally, the world will be ripped apart. Of course if you are hard working and resourceful, smart and informed, you can get what you want. Are these not the traits of successful men and women?

And what do any of these traits have to do with whether a person practices the Law of Attraction or not?

What do you think?

I earlier considered speaking about the traits of some of the people I know of who practice the law of attraction, but later reconsidered because I think or feel that you may not consider any of this relevant information. However, I can say that all of these people are well-functioning adults, and leave it at that.

Oh, and speaking of manifestations:

Gong xi fa cai! (Y)


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It just like the law of karma, explanation given after the facts.

I was spikemarlene and I joined and mumbled into this forum since 2008, but my old account was crippled for whatever reason unknown, but I would like to think it's alien working behind the scene trying to shut me down for mumbling too much ... Oh HCNY to you too.

Thank you, hope you will have a wonderful, prosperous CNY with your family this year, and welcome back! Approximately 200 posts per month is quite an achievement! (Y)

Concerning the people who practice the law of attraction, for all intents and purposes, you can assume that they are just normal people like you and me and they just happen to practice the law of attraction for whatever reason - The reason I say this is, the traits of other people are not so important concerning your decision to practice the law of attraction or not, because whether I had pointed to successes or had pointed to failures, you would only be able to point to those traits as correlation and not causation or explicit disconfirmation of the validity of the Law of Attraction.

As far as I can see, the only way for you to validate the Law of Attraction through your experiences is to try it ^^

This post has been edited by Exoflare: Feb 14 2018, 05:09 PM

In that case, what's true or false, and what's real and unreal would have lost their meaning, if people get to decide in accordance to their whims as opposed to reality. Should we allow people to assume that 1 + 1 = 5, or that people would not get hurt from jumping off from the 14th floor after hitting on solid concrete, are we supposed to allow them to think that it is all equally true and should perhaps, be called a "law" then? It's madness.

Yes, thanks for the correction of typo.

Not specifically related to the Law of Attraction, but speaking of deciding on the basis of whims... People have been doing that for years. Is this new to you?

You are welcome.

This post has been edited by Exoflare: Feb 14 2018, 05:30 PM

No, it's not new, but it doesn't mean it's the correct thing to do. That would be an appeal to tradition fallacy.

Good! Let's not appeal to tradition then

This is my own understanding and research so far.

As according to Bob Proctor's concept:
External stimuli(human senses) - [conscious mind|subconscious mind](paradigm) - body(action).
The universe is abundant, everything and anything had already exist; pending manifestation.

Before LoA there is Law of Vibration, LoA is 2nd law. Positive outlook, positive thoughts, positive feelings, positive actions of a person has a higher vibration or energy; where people and surroundings can feel or sense it, thus allowing the universe to align and have it happened; this refers to the Emotional Guidance System.

LoA is to program your conscious mind and subconscious mind to think and visualise positivity; the body will then and require to take action to achieve the goal, while 'allowing' the universe to align itself towards the person's goal. As a person who is positively thinking of having something strongly tends to land themselves in it. A negative person would mostly be stuck in unfavourable events as their believe is on the opposite of what they want and fixated on the want. They may want "something good" but their own negativity and doubts would also reflect in their actions and decisions, thus the goals won't manifest or manifest halfway partially.

Successful men and women works towards their goals, they would be positive, have tenacity and not giving up easily, thought patterns of if not this then something else better. A positive person and has thoughts of confidence towards their goal, works towards their goals (directly or indirectly), where they will tend to get good opportunities or by nature choose the right timing, choices, people. I presume most successful people have the thinking of something possible and really work towards their goals.

As per my study, the requirement for LoA is to believe in it without doubt, there is no try to believe; a person have to believe in it without obsession of the goal and detachment of the outcome. AFAIK, IMHO, LoA is a little metaphysics, pseudoscience, placebo type of study of as it needs human belief and trust. As it involve human mind and thinking where is hard to quantify and one thinking can differ to another person, they can have the same goal but different agenda.

Brilliantly explained! Yes, this is one way of thinking of the LoA that incorporates the possibility that it may be a confirmation bias, showcases the practical effect of practicing LoA, but does not excuse a person from practicing it in order to achieve the results that are promised, even if the person himself does not necessarily call it LoA or otherwise

Will continue forward with this. Thank you for your insight and your research!

This post has been edited by Exoflare: Feb 14 2018, 08:18 PM

Out of curiosity, what books have you read about this topic? Am partway through the work of Jerry and Esther Hicks (I just started pursuing this journey more extensively), but currently duty calls and I have to learn about development finance and development banks

Precisely. Many successful people have been 'practicing' LoA without knowing they are actually 'practicing' LoA. The LoA is a framework, documented concepts and processes of the this topic of discussion; different school of thought, which differs from each people but the core of it is the same.

I heard about LoA few times before of the brief concept but never really studied or researched in until recently. Where I try to think in retrospect of series of events in my life they match to the concept of LoA and the states of my mind prior and during the events unfolded. I have noticed that I am angry, upset or any emotion of low EGS, my body tensed up and tend to accidentally make more mistakes or hurt myself.

ATM, I am putting my effort to practice LoA, not 'trying' it as many of them have also said you can't try Law of Gravity, it already exist. I am trying to change my paradigm and attempt to break the terror barrier; thinking of positivity of events, looking at the bright side, if not this then something even better, like /k/ "bersangka baik" of each situation as the universe is aligning itself for my "order" to be delivered. I am trying to keep myself into "higher vibration" states of emotions, mediate or practicing calm focus, listening to good music and solfeggio vibration tones. At times I got negativity thoughts from external stimuli, surroundings and actively purposely diffuse it with affirmation sentences. Telling myself affirmations with words of "have, am, attract, choose" and visualise that I have something or event through my own senses. Actively be mindful of my thoughts and actions. Not to create any lack or goal gap, I won't keep thinking about in for not getting obsessed or fixated; being indifferent or detach from the outcome, trust the universe will align itself according if not near or better to my "order sheet".

LoA is a good framework for positivity where it trains the mind to a new growth mindset thus set my own mind to subconsciously view, feel, choose best options or create opportunities that leads to my goals. Fix and maintain myself naturally be in high vibration and practicing LoA, where like attracts like.

Strangely enough, I have been thinking about is there anyone locally know about LoA or any forum topics about it.

Then I browse Serious Kopitiam and saw this thread, usually I am in /k/ for fun.

Many people who are practicing LOA without realizing that they are actually putting in the good old hard work trying to be successful. So some made it, became successful and attributed that to LOA, but some did not or have not and attributed that to lack of faith and effort in LOA. This same for anyone else, but like you said they were not aware they were practicing LOA.

So with or without LOA, some people will still be successful.

👍

Indeed! Happy new year Coincidence, fate, or LoA? Hard to say, yes?

Which is why I'm also telling you and everyone not to do it, not unless their immediate survival depends on it, and not becuase it's perceived as the ultimate truth.

The following phrases requires a clearer definition:

1) Law of Vibration
2) Law of Attraction as a "second law".
3) "higher vibration or energy"
4) Emotional Guidance System

The following phrases requires evidence:

1) higher vibration or energy; where people and surroundings can feel or sense it
2) a person have to believe in it without obsession of the goal and detachment of the outcome (or how do you know this to be sure?)


In addition, if it's part of pseudoscience, why should anyone thinks that the Law of Attraction is a real thing, or even is a "law" in the first place at all? It appears to be equally accpetable to say that the "law of attraction" is merely confidence and the determination to do what you want to do or get what you want without the need to appeal to a special kind of "law" that supposedly "know" that it was the universe that "conspires" to the results, as if it's a well-evidenced mechanism.

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Feb 16 2018, 10:58 AM

I don't know, I can't tell, I wouldn't know. I thought of it but never put high hopes or attached to the outcome. I didn't wish or asked for it. Just a simple thought some days before. Then, so happen I went into Serious Kopitiam than usual /k/ and saw this thread.

Synchronicity. I was just somehow stumbled upon this thread or led to this thread. My mind just decided to surf there.

To me, LoA is a framework or concept; for mind and being to be in positivity, lead thoughts into action and fruition. Like ITIL v3 for IT service management. It a study and documentation of successful people's thoughts relating to success.

I am putting effort on my mind and being to follow the LoA idea in my life and see outcome. Also relate to previous events and its thought patterns. The context of thought and outcome. I am experimenting it, observing it, reviewing it, trial and error, improving it. Constant is my mind and body, variables are thought and action, results would be the outcome.

Regardless of LoA, making me positive keeps me moving forward, being happy keeps me energetic, contented is joyful living.

I am not understanding in depth in LoA, still learning more about it. From my recent study and research on LoA, I see LoA as a framework or concept; not related to anything religious. To learn more at a brief level, I would say to watch 'The Secret (2006)' for the gist of the LoA idea.

LoA is called a 'Law' as it is something that is always there and acting to everyone, whether knowing or not knowing, believe or not believing; like Law of Gravity. It is part of the 11 universe laws, LoA is one that is highly spoken about; there are many school of thoughts to it, many books and different view by different 'practitioner' . I have read and watched here and there and I tend to follow a few idea: Bob Proctor, Aaron Doughty, Jake Ducey, Robert Zink as their materials are easy to find online.

Instead of explaining it myself, I may not understand fully in depth to explain properly. Some parts I have not test it out or remembered experienced before. Briefly that everything is made up of energy, everything vibrates at atomic level, electromagnetic spectrum are waves and frequency, our mind has brainwaves, our brain is a powerful problem solving machine.

"The Secret (2006)" https://vimeo.com/144472044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2plLbsiUfa8
https://youtu.be/P8vHa8zD7jY
https://youtu.be/5zvnFM2BXqY
https://youtu.be/opOXFCYWUdU
https://youtu.be/DA2QOZU_NWo

I choose to believe LoA as my previous experiences of thought patterns and results or events both positive or negative relates to how LoA works. Regardless of LoA, making me positive keeps me moving forward, being happy keeps me energetic, contented is joyful living.

Yes, which is why the tradition that I disbelieve is your tradition, just in case it wasn't already abundantly clear before (I believe it was)

If this law does exist, it will kill marketing and creativity.

Since when has this been "my" tradition? It's obviously wasn't clear from YOUR SIDE because the appeal to tradition fallacy that I was referring to was in response to the tradition that you have proposed from your post below, i.e. "people have been doing that for years -- that is, deciding on the basis of whims":

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In short, it was the tradition of deciding on the basis of whims in accordance to your post that I was referring to. Not "mine", nor have I even proposed a tradition.

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Feb 17 2018, 11:16 AM

Here's a big difference. The Law of Gravity has been proven scientifically and with evidence. The "Law" of Attraction has not, nor does it even justify why should it be even called a "The Secret", as if another conspiracy hypothesis being asserted as something that is true without any critical analysis.

Yes, indeed. Law of Attraction is as vague "law" as Murphy's Law, Hofstadter's Law or other "laws" that many people have talked about.

Just merely to convey why they call it a "law", because it is a force that acts on everything, everyone on the universe, it is up to the person want to believe it or not, like as Law of Gravity. There are also "laws" in most religions and spiritual teachings, is it said that it applies to whole universe. But then, I don't believe all of them, only the ones that I choose to, yet they can't be proven concretely.

LoA is a philosophy law, not proven or validated by science, just like karma belief. It is a New Thought movement idea. LoA also being researched or documented on successful people thoughts and outcome. As mentioned earlier, as this relates to human mind and thoughts, therefore is not easily proven.

There are quite a number of books, articles and movies about LoA. They have many names, so happen this one named "The Secret" is a famous one and gives a brief overview of LoA, just take it as a catchy name. The book "Think and Grow Rich" is a basis for Bob Proctor LoA school of thought, are the ideas in that book concretely true or proven? Doubt it can be solidly proven, it is a concept, a philosophy book.

Therefore it is up to the person who read, watched, listened learned about it, to believe or not. I believe LoA as per my own observation and outcome, then have inference of what it could happen in future. I read and research on LoA, I don't subscribe all of them too, I choose the ones that I think is plausible or fits my situation and thinking; nevertheless the core concepts are similar. Something like sects of religions.

The Law of Attraction is actually an extension of the Albert Einstein E=mc2 theory. He said: Everything is Energy and that’s all there is to it. Match the frequency of the reality you want and you cannot help but get that reality. It can be no other way.

If these are true, it means everything including your thoughts, actions, speaking are also energy, because these things also have a frequency in itself if you measure it, its just like energy.

The Newton third law of motion also said that for every action or forces, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Its like everything you did, there will be an identical energy come back to you, either sooner or later. When it comes back to you, it means it is materialize

But not everyone is able to attract what they really wants, just like someone mention that a child in Africa ended up dying although he hope that he can get some food. But it may due to he had created a bad/ negative energy at the beginning, and thus this 'starving' bad/ negative energy has come back to him in this life.

Therefore, although he hope that he can get some foods, which is a positive thing/ energy to him, he still unable to get it, because it does not match his current energy.

So everyone is only able to attract the best for him, if you did not get it, it means you do not deserve it.

This is my own understanding so far based on the quantum physics video in the youtube, I may still be wrong

Dear Ts, please add me into whats app group. I do read this LoA stuffs and I believe it. I might not be able to share this now since I am not ready and i need to read more and more. As i learn the deeper meaning of Quran as a muslim, there’s something that is co-related how i would like to know myself and god. I will share once i think the time is rdy. Hee meanwhile i want to read u guys opinion first.

Oh absolutely. But practice LoA, then think back again and ask yourself if you can separate the achievement of the outcome from your practice of the Law of Attraction.
Can you? Hmmmmm. Didn't think so. I treat it like a Pascal's Wager, and have been debating whether I should be surprised to find that it yields evidence.
Well, your mileage may vary after all.


Looks like I forgot what you were referring to. Tradition enough for you?


"Critical analysis"? Perhaps you can come back and talk about critical analysis when you've successfully and personally verified that the force acting between two objects is always and invariably proportional to the product of their masses and inversely with the square of their distances.

You wanna critically analyze the Law of Attraction?

Try it.

Would you be interested in joining our WhatsApp group?

I personally know that getting out from bad circumstances or bad possibilities if your thoughts are rightly aligned is a possibility, but I wouldn't claim to know the fate of another human being or why they ended up in the situation that they did. Some people just live and die on the basis of their circumstances - It is really just like the turn of the wheel of fortune.

Some predestination, a little bit of luck, and life unfolds.... But perhaps you need a little fortune by being born into the person that you presently are and a little help along that way by working hard enough and being motivated to continue on a daily basis no matter rain or shine, thereby creating your 'luck' and being unsure about whether it was the law of attraction that brought you to where you needed to be or your own effort.

We are privileged to even be able to use the internet and to be literate enough to understand one another and we are not any of these unfortunate people - I would personally wait to get to know these people before I make any judgments about their lives... But even if I did, I am sure that it would only apply to a small cross-section of their existence, and would probably be wrong after enough time had passed (less than I would expect, I am sure).

Added to the WhatsApp group

Feel free to join the Facebook group!

can i join the whatsapp group

newbie here, i just wanna kno more

they say smth like LoA is : if you want something, think 100% you are getting it, if there is just 1% of your mind think differently, you are not gonna get it

can clarify on this?

But of course! Could you PM me your name and number? I'll WhatsApp you shortly after

As far as I understand it, if you are thinking negative thoughts and successfully convince yourself that you cannot receive the outcome that you are seeking out, you'll have fulfilled the prophecy on your own. Why? Think about achieving any goal you've ever set out to achieve - If you have all the resources and circumstances in place but you don't step through the door or achieve the outcome that you seek out on your own because you've persuaded yourself that it can't happen for whatever reason, there is no way that you would succeed.

Even if you fail, that's just the realization of a specific random event, and if you were to convince yourself that the failure were permanent, it would be - Not because there is no possibility that you will succeed even if you try, but because you stopped trying and you miss 100% of all the shots you don't take.

Practicing LoA, as I understand it, puts you into a state where you are:
i) Welcoming but not desperate,
ii) Desirous yet anticipatory and fate-driven,
iii) Expectant and glad,
iv) Posing minimal resistance to your attaining the goals you set out for yourself as a result of your own mentality,
v) Fully happy with where you are in the present in the recognition that good things will come to you
vi) Willing to do whatever is necessary and appropriate to attain that goal based on where the universe leads you, rather than preoccupied with wondering why you have not achieved your goals yet when you sit on a couch all day and fantasize about being fabulously wealthy.

I have a lot of friends that already success at young age. When i ask them, mostly they talk about positif and negative stuff without realize it is actually LoA, until one day one my friend tell me he has been learning a lot about LoA and the results is astonishing!

I am interested to join the group, please pm me a link!

I clicked on this thread expecting pseudo-science. Wasn't disappointed. Laws of attraction confirmed.

PM'd!

No time better than the present! Do PM me your name and your number and I'll go ahead and add you to the group!

Hi, i'm interested in LOA and read 2 of Rhonda Bynes' books. Simple logic yet it is powerful when we can learn to shift the focus of the mind to what we want and achieve it.

What kind of discussions are going on in the WhatsApp group so far?

Yeah, to get out from bad circumstances, one should always feel good about himself, because feeling good will help you attract good things too.

Feeling good means being grateful, see the positive side in everything, keep a happy mood, all these positive thoughts and behaviour will attract the good circumstances/ events to you, because like attract like.

So far just introducing everyone and getting started, but we've started talking about some of the different sources of LoA - Abraham Hicks is one source that we've discussed... But very briefly! I hope to get enough people to one day get a meetup to happen (There are about 6 people now, and when everyone from the thread joins, maybe 9? Interested to see who else will come along!). May the universe deliver!

Absolutely ^^ It really goes to show that your psychology is a huge part of your existence even if you think that material circumstances are wanting. People in Cuba or in villages in Malaysia are generally happy as far as I can see, and you can say it is brainwashing to accept a lower standard of living, or the ability to accept circumstances and weather them.

If your goals are directed towards wealth and you have yet to attain them, that is fine - Being appreciative or happy about life showcases that you are capable of enjoying your present moment and what it will bring, so that you can look forward to the future and develop patience - Life is after all its own reward, and even if external circumstances suggest that it is the only one, being grateful for what you do have puts you in a position to make use of it to achieve what you have determined that it will bring

Maybe it's because you didn't bother reading views that aren't the same as yours? Practice intellectual honesty, if you can.

Why would I want to do it personally when there are tons of scientific evidence out there to support the Law of Gravity? In addition, is this not a non-sequitur fallacy by shifting the burden of proof with an entire subject? Suppose I was unable to do it personally due to the fact that I'm not even a scientist, why would the inability of me proving it personally would automatically validate the veracity for the "Law of Attraction"?

Here are the premises of your flawed logic:

Premise 1: Hoka Nobasho claims that the Law of Attraction is invalid due to the lack of evidence, unlike the Law of Gravity.
Premise 2: Hoka Nobasho was unable to personally verified the veracity of the Law of Gravity.
Conclusion: Therefore the Law of Attraction is automatically valid.

You can pretty much replace the 'Law of Attraction' and 'The Law of Gravity' there with any subject, and the flawed logic would have checked out every time on how absurd that conclusion is.

Premise 1: Hoka Nobasho claims that Exoflare's accusation about his car being in Hoka's house is invalid, due to the lack of evidence, unlike a car in Billy's house (which was supported by evidence that was given by Billy himself, i.e. be it from a photograph, relevant documents, etc etc)

Premise 2: Hoka Nobasho was unable to personally verify the claim that a car is in Billy's house (as opposed to simply reviewing the evidence that was already given by Billy himself).

Conclusion: Therefore Exoflare is correct in his claim that his car is in Hoka Nobasho's house (which is clear as day how's that pure nonsense).

The best start to critically analyze something is to ask if there's any scientific evidence. If you claim that such a "law" exists, prove it.

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Mar 3 2018, 08:29 AM

Don't need to

Then you have practically nothing to discuss about. What is there to talk about in a Whatsapp group when the most basic investigation for the validity of calling it a "law" fails to follow up from there, other than the hypothetical but potential circle jerk of prepositions and postulations about what this "law" is even about?

Experience sharing

An echo chamber. I see.

Exercise your right to judge it as an echo chamber - I have already exercised my right to consider your critique irrelevant.

Rights are exercised without any notice of the contrary nor the redundancy of actually mentioning them. It's the blatant dismissal of critique, one that is also important in a discussion that is reprehensible.

One should shudder to think what manner of cognitive dissonance that you would have to go through, or rather, the level of ignorance in order to conjure enough bliss if you were to be placed in a similar position where your criticism was put aside merely on the basis of "having a right to judge", as opposed to whether or not was your critique has been read and given the fair amount of time and justice to be evaluated accordingly.

Such woes are common among Malaysian anti-intellectualism if we were to allow such intellectual dishonesty to go on. To put this into perspective, consider such a thing happening within your own professional occupation. What if your lessons taught were dismissed merely on the basis of those who do it saying "we have a right to consider your lessons irrelevant", as opposed to actually providing an actual reason of why they would do such a thing?

True enough, because our brains were not evolved in such a way to prioritise logic and rational thought, it would not also be a surprise should you ever want to choose bliss over intellectual honesty. The latter isn't really that nice, I understand. But that is why the cognitive dissonance is there in the first place, so that we may verify our thought accordingly to see if we're being contradictory to ourselves, or more simply if we are being honest to ourselves.

So the question would be, do you want to be honest with yourself, do you only want to be honest with yourself when it's convenient enough for you? Thanks to cognitive dissonance, one piece of wisdom still holds true till today, that the person that you're deceiving would not be me, but yourself. Should you are ever involved in soul-searching regardless of your beliefs, the consideration of such a deception that you sometimes place on yourself may be paramount.

This post has been edited by Hoka Nobasho: Mar 3 2018, 11:32 PM