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So if bonus is April, I tender in March, can the company not give me bonus?
Resignation notice is 3 months.
Can you be denied of bonus if tendered?
Can you be denied of bonus if tendered?
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Feb 4 2018, 11:38 PM, updated 8y ago
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As title says
So if bonus is April, I tender in March, can the company not give me bonus? Resignation notice is 3 months. |
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Feb 4 2018, 11:40 PM
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because bonus is considered "ex gratias".
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Feb 4 2018, 11:45 PM
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yes
if bonus is contractual , should be fall into terms n condition after resignation u have to check back your contract terms see can fight for it or not if performance ... can forget your bonus d |
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Feb 4 2018, 11:47 PM
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of course.
if care about Bonus, tender only after receiving it |
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Feb 4 2018, 11:49 PM
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Thats why....ppl got it into their bank only resign.
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Feb 4 2018, 11:51 PM
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Yes they can.
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Feb 5 2018, 12:00 AM
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It's case by case. Depends on your company policy, your letter of offer, contract laws, seldom protected by labor laws. If there is nothing in writing saying you will get a guaranteed bonus, then most likely you will not.
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Feb 5 2018, 12:03 AM
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Ayam oredi chao one month also money come in last time
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Feb 5 2018, 12:55 AM
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Resign for a new job?
3 months notice is kinda long, wondering if there's any company willing to wait for 3 months? |
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Feb 5 2018, 01:22 AM
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Depends on your boss actually
When you tendered its always the best time to see someone's true color. Then you can decide if you wanna burn the bridge or not |
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Feb 5 2018, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE(fapman @ Feb 5 2018, 12:55 AM) Resign for a new job? three months notice period is quite common for managers-and-above level positions3 months notice is kinda long, wondering if there's any company willing to wait for 3 months? during job interview, employer will usually enquire how soon the job-seeker can start work if an offer is made to him/her some companies, depending on circumstances, maybe willing to pay compensation to existing employer for early release |
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Feb 5 2018, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE(origami @ Feb 5 2018, 01:27 AM) three months notice period is quite common for managers-and-above level positions Ah yes. My current company notice period also requires 3 months notice which I think quite hard to look for a new job. That's why I'm asking if there's any company willing to wait for 3 months instead of either party paying the compensation to existing employer for earlier release.during job interview, employer will usually enquire how soon the job-seeker can start work if an offer is made to him/her some companies, depending on circumstances, maybe willing to pay compensation to existing employer for early release |
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Feb 5 2018, 08:46 AM
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QUOTE(fapman @ Feb 5 2018, 12:55 AM) Resign for a new job? Not many. My colleague who was offered elsewhere but the company can't wait for three months. Which makes me think if I should just tender and thereafter look for a job or to venture my own business, I already have something in mind but it needs aomething to take off before I can commit fully to the said idea. 3 months notice is kinda long, wondering if there's any company willing to wait for 3 months? QUOTE(mafioso @ Feb 5 2018, 01:22 AM) Depends on your boss actually My boss knows I may tender any time but still we're on good terms. Perhaps it may be different when I truly have tendered. When you tendered its always the best time to see someone's true color. Then you can decide if you wanna burn the bridge or not QUOTE(fapman @ Feb 5 2018, 01:37 AM) Ah yes. My current company notice period also requires 3 months notice which I think quite hard to look for a new job. That's why I'm asking if there's any company willing to wait for 3 months instead of either party paying the compensation to existing employer for earlier release. Many of which are not willing to pay unless you're exceptionally good and they really want you in their payroll. |
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Feb 5 2018, 08:51 AM
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Nvr ever tender first until the mahney in your bank
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Feb 5 2018, 08:52 AM
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usually, any committed bonus not yet paid will *poof* into thin air if you tender.
but seriously, if you have performed for the PAST 12mths or so, shouldn't it be given still regardless of future affiliation? |
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Feb 5 2018, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Feb 5 2018, 08:46 AM) Not many. My colleague who was offered elsewhere but the company can't wait for three months. Which makes me think if I should just tender and thereafter look for a job or to venture my own business, I already have something in mind but it needs aomething to take off before I can commit fully to the said idea. Before doing this make sure your savings is around six months of your salary. |
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Feb 5 2018, 08:55 AM
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I think can... but sometimes boss/company will still pay out of good will
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Feb 5 2018, 08:55 AM
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Why you make your own life so difficult?
Resign after get bonuslah. |
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Feb 5 2018, 08:56 AM
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same as my friend. tendered end year. and he asking if gona get bonus. i said i guess its up to how good the hr are or the boss. legally though not in contract as permanent staff. lel will see how the capital P dish out this
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Feb 5 2018, 08:58 AM
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Jz put urself in ur boss shoes
Will u still gip the bonus? If I'm the boss, I will if that employee is valuable and I would like him or her to work for me again If jz a plain average worker, mehh.. easy replacement hence no value.. |
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Feb 5 2018, 09:04 AM
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Become like my wife, got transfered to Payroll, later found out they got play hanky panky. She didnt want to cooperate, and later send resign letter later cos cannot work like that.
When she send letter, the HR boss say no need to wait 2 months. And the bonus also they will pay. She can leave immediately . No need to wait. Lucky the salary and bonus went in. Cb HR boss must be the mastermind of all of this. Later he was terminated. |
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Feb 5 2018, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Feb 5 2018, 08:58 AM) Jz put urself in ur boss shoes Wouldn't say that I'm valuable to an extent but I've been contributing to the company to improve many things, and many of it were accepted and implemented. Will u still gip the bonus? If I'm the boss, I will if that employee is valuable and I would like him or her to work for me again If jz a plain average worker, mehh.. easy replacement hence no value.. Not to mention I'm in the banking industry and in my department I'm the person who knows the system most. I don't wish to go but I'd not like to follow scheduled working hours, feels very robotic. I like to always go places or at least to get out of the city la. |
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Feb 5 2018, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE(azbro @ Feb 5 2018, 09:04 AM) Become like my wife, got transfered to Payroll, later found out they got play hanky panky. She didnt want to cooperate, and later send resign letter later cos cannot work like that. Can't she blow the whistle on this?When she send letter, the HR boss say no need to wait 2 months. And the bonus also they will pay. She can leave immediately . No need to wait. Lucky the salary and bonus went in. Cb HR boss must be the mastermind of all of this. Later he was terminated. |
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Feb 5 2018, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Feb 5 2018, 08:46 AM) Not many. My colleague who was offered elsewhere but the company can't wait for three months. Which makes me think if I should just tender and thereafter look for a job or to venture my own business, I already have something in mind but it needs aomething to take off before I can commit fully to the said idea. If you already have greener pastures then move on. Why let the bonus hold you back? Its pretty simple, once you are out then you are out. You should be glad if your bosses dont burn bridges with you.My boss knows I may tender any time but still we're on good terms. Perhaps it may be different when I truly have tendered. Many of which are not willing to pay unless you're exceptionally good and they really want you in their payroll. This post has been edited by TOMEI-R: Feb 5 2018, 09:08 AM |
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Feb 5 2018, 09:10 AM
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bonus is bonus it is not compulsory under law and its at the discretion of the company to offload some taxes to its employee's
so far i only know that the tunjangan near hari raya in Indo is compulsory under law |
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Feb 5 2018, 09:10 AM
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only tender after bonus in bank/pocket
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Feb 5 2018, 09:11 AM
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Depends on your company, in my experience no bonus is given.
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Feb 5 2018, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Feb 5 2018, 09:05 AM) Wouldn't say that I'm valuable to an extent but I've been contributing to the company to improve many things, and many of it were accepted and implemented. If ur contribution recognized and appreciated, the boss will let it end with good termsNot to mention I'm in the banking industry and in my department I'm the person who knows the system most. I don't wish to go but I'd not like to follow scheduled working hours, feels very robotic. I like to always go places or at least to get out of the city la. If not, it's either those contribution aren't significant or the boss jz plain shit.. is the department turnover high? Izit the system something u develop? Can't train new ppl for it? Feeling adventurous ehhhh... So wat job u applying?😁 |
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Feb 5 2018, 09:15 AM
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In Mnc,no longer got boss decision or not. Solely company decisions and maybe hr
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Feb 5 2018, 09:16 AM
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Feb 5 2018, 09:08 AM) If you already have greener pastures then move on. Why let the bonus hold you back? Its pretty simple, once you are out then you are out. You should be glad if your bosses dont burn bridges with you. TS seems like working in bank and bank bonus is huge yoMy aunt best friend is a branch manager and she changed new car few years back According to her, the bonus itself can pay the car cash yo Oh ya the car is Camry hybrid |
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Feb 5 2018, 09:17 AM
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Feb 5 2018, 09:19 AM
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i think this time of year all bosses had sleepless nights thinking which employee gonna send the resignation paper after receiving the bonus.
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Feb 5 2018, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Feb 5 2018, 09:16 AM) TS seems like working in bank and bank bonus is huge yo That will be worst. Banks are already trying to layoff staff, especially the well paid ones. This will be like playing into their tunes.My aunt best friend is a branch manager and she changed new car few years back According to her, the bonus itself can pay the car cash yo Oh ya the car is Camry hybrid |
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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Feb 5 2018, 08:46 AM) Not many. My colleague who was offered elsewhere but the company can't wait for three months. Which makes me think if I should just tender and thereafter look for a job or to venture my own business, I already have something in mind but it needs aomething to take off before I can commit fully to the said idea. I think it's better if u prepare some money aside to compensate for early release if u manage to find a new job. Better than tender first & look for a job after that.My boss knows I may tender any time but still we're on good terms. Perhaps it may be different when I truly have tendered. Many of which are not willing to pay unless you're exceptionally good and they really want you in their payroll. |
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Feb 5 2018, 10:43 AM
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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Feb 5 2018, 09:13 AM) If ur contribution recognized and appreciated, the boss will let it end with good terms Venturing into journalism. It's already an ongoing project with the kopitiam bikers. If not, it's either those contribution aren't significant or the boss jz plain shit.. is the department turnover high? Izit the system something u develop? Can't train new ppl for it? Feeling adventurous ehhhh... So wat job u applying?😁 Turnover in my dept is low. But having myself leave, that's two people within 6 months. Typically we don't have much turnover here anyway. I don't develop the system but I know the system very well and if I leave, the newcomers will not have anyone to teach them, the rest may teach but they're not so well versed with the system as I am. I'm just tired with what I've been doing; nothing to do with the management. The repetitive thing I do everyday bores me. So I'm thinking of a change of environment entirely. QUOTE(azbro @ Feb 5 2018, 09:17 AM) Same story brah Dem. I'd just blow the whistle and get police protection or some sort.You blow the whistle, later find out the person you complain too, is the mastermind Sounds familiar in Malaysia. |
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QUOTE(patienceGNR @ Feb 4 2018, 11:38 PM) As title says Depends on type of bonus and wording in your offer letter.Rule of thumb: Any type of discretionary / performance bonuses suck thumb, company doesn't need to pay. Contractual / AWS type bonuses still got chance to get it pro rated depending on contract wording. |
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if u are manager level and above ; dont tender first if you dont have a job... especially if you have a lot commitment...
exec level yes.. |
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Feb 5 2018, 11:38 AM
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my previous company said that if i resign this year, i need to pay back last year bonus...
my previous company win all... |
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Feb 5 2018, 11:51 AM
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Be patient my fren
Wait til bonus mali only tender |
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Feb 5 2018, 11:59 AM
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Feb 5 2018, 12:08 PM
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Yes. GG bonus. Bodo sebab tender letter before bonus
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Feb 5 2018, 01:16 PM
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yes... they can... my wife was denied bonus after the boss caught wind that she wants to tender. just a week after they announced.
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