look at these.

well, i dont think u will get 45nm on ur AM2 system. this is a really sad case for current AM2 users.

lol.. lucky i'm still in 939

Unless they're doing something really special, i don't expect to see any 45nm chips from AMD until the end of next year, if not later. They have to talk a bit because intel is already mass producing 45nm chips right now.

AM3??? When AM2 released, AMD had mention that this socket will take for few years. But right now, AM3...
This is bad new for those AM2 user, but this is a good new for s939 or s754 user!!!

45nm on 2008. It is too late, i think that time Intel already has new technology may be is 25nm or even is 10nm processor.....

what about those AM2+? i tot they will release it this year?

dont dream

maybe 32nm, intel was working on that...

no.

s939 and s754 user will remain on their respective sockets because when am3 releases... there'll be another am4 and they keep waiting for em

32nm is planned for 2009 (intel). They upgrade every ~2 years.

AM3???

AM3? so what about AM2+ ?

but for 2008, it still a long wait from now, still can enjoy AM2 first since AM3 will also take quite sometimes to be more cheaper...

maybe amd bypass am2+...

that means no barcelona, kuma and agena

barcelona, kuma and agena are on AM2 socket rite? correct me if i'm wrong...

they are on am2+

Most likely AM2+ is a trial 45nm but using DDR2 I don't know who will buy it if they know DDR3 is coming. Unless of course some dudes that really want to keep their trusty DDR2, and ngam ngam their 90nm AM2 proc is fried.

AMD going make or break on Barcelona..

That roadmap will be meaningful if Barcelona/Agena/Kuma can make $$ for AMD.

Dude, amd phenom X2, FX and X4 will be coming soon... can't wait to see them head to head against intel core 2....

Why they want to put in some transition product like AM2+ , nth difference than AM2 except HT 3.0 and better power saving

i recommend the next upgrade should bypass AM2+

The link "AM2 and AM3 would be forward/backward compatible" in the article implied AM2+ is AM3, and that AM2+ can support both DDR2 and DDR3

What happen to that now and why a new socket again in place of AM2+?

LOL catching up technologies only burn your pocket

Once AM3 releases, the price sure a bit While waiting for price cut, there will be more news about AM4 releasing, but before that 8 core from Intel maybe It'll be a never ending. Buy wisely

quite shame amd...killing they own self to chase ppl shadow..not a good idea for them change another socket to upgrade...seem like intel now become valueble and amd for budget only...

my cousin working in AMD penang...she said they will launched their quad core this year and 8 core next year...start saving ur money now...

this info doesnt help at all no need to work there also know lar

ask her to take a ES barcelona chip out and give it to reliable reviewers (tomshardware, anandtech) to do a benchmark.

Thanks for the info, but why we wanna use quad since 8 core is just 1 year after, you know what I mean

At least he's trying to give out some info. Some of us might not know about this

zzz...AM3 again...AMD changing the socket too fast i think
Bad news for AM2 users like me ...:SAD:


-pWs-

it will take some time... but for sure the price will lil expensive the am2 at the first, leter the price will reduce when am2 product phaseout

no choice, our technology is moving way too fast, and the chips are much cheaper compare to oldern days. Hence manufacturers usually don't expect desktop consumers to upgrade a single CPU after 3 years. They expect you to change to a whole new system. It is very obvious when Intel says it is going to debut a new micro architecture every 2 years.

you're still very wrong
everytime intel changes architecture, although it's the same socket... most likely it'll need new chipset

and amd motherboards are often way affordable than intel's.... minus those generic/cheapo ones...which are more or less just the same.

it is because this thing has been planned years before and there is no ddr3 on the market now, amd have to do something else they gonna lose more money

Actually AM2+ is misleading consumers in some way.

Back in socket A, every chipset change with higher FSB support doesnt change the name of the socket. We never see Socket A, Socket A+, Socket A++ or whatever.

Now, AMD decided to change the naming when the system bus is upgraded. AM2+ is a good example. It is exactly the same as AM2 socket, but with a different chipset and system bus, that's all.

AM2 --> AM2+ is as simple as Socket A with VIA KT333 --> socket A with VIA KT400A.

hmm...i heard with the old news that future mobo will be "chipset upgradeable"(just like how we upgrade our cpu. dunno when will we get that.

This post has been edited by edwin3210: May 4 2007, 10:59 AM

Not in the near future. Besides, it is only possible if there is no system bus changes on the motherboard.

wah now not only u have to choose CPU to install u have to choose chipset to install as well............. how does the mother board goin to look like...........

imagine ur mobo has 3 main chips. 1 south and 1 north bridge, + n core CPU........ and n stream processor of GPU.......... how many pc we have within our own pc by that time.......

Things are moving to tighter integration, so pretty sure chipset upgrades won't be coming. They'll just be completely built into the cpu.

i allready ask her for a quad core engineering sample proc...she will try...

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Added on May 4, 2007, 12:14 pmfrom what i heard the new 8 core use two die...mean 2 4 core proc in one...thats what she said...i will ask her to snap for some picture...

This post has been edited by Oly: May 4 2007, 12:14 PM

Maybe one day we can change the IO Hub on our own based on the features we want. But this will very far away from now.

So easily snap pictures? I am expecting they are top secrets, maybe ur cousin should not even tell you about it.

[wtf] tag ???

btw, that's really wtf. see my rig below. i gonna got new rig c2d. now AM3 n DDR3 ....

no point upgrade high end computer nowaday.
technology never end.

Dude, you just know that kar? OLD news le..

True enuf, thats y u guys should upgrade according to ur needs. For example, if AM2 is sufficient for now, just get a good mobo that supports it, then upgrade to the best X2 or FX that u can afford. Then the rest is just about ur graphic card and also the amount of memory and HDD needed. After all, for office work, BT, internet and chat, any X2 is more than sufficient at the moment, for the games, u just need to upgrade ur graphic cards.

Consider ourself lucky that Pci-E doesn't get any upgrade soon, otherwise, owners of 8-series will be crying if they wanna chase the new slot designs.

Like soulfly said earlier, users of S939 will continue to wait and wait for AM3 to AM4 and so on, coz currently the S939 with 2Gb of rams and a good Graphic card is already performing at its best, mayb got problem with future DX10 games only but the rest of the time, the system is still stable and fast for most tasks.

Keypoint here is: our software don't need AM3 to run, even the S754 is sufficient for daily work in XP, only Vista reqs a higher-specs rig.

True... but computer technology is evolved too fast (my money invest fly fast too)
Just hoping Agena core can use current am2 mobo :pray:


-pWs-

Well, it's the advancement in science and technology, but, when we really think of it properly, does ur MS Words, Firefox, or IE or those common software reqs Quadcore ? As far as I know, at the moment, only games reqs a better processor, therefore, any X2 is sufficient for daily usage. Mayb when the price of AM3 and DDR3 matures, then only we start to move into that direction lo. Anyway, an upgrade every 2 years is quite ok in my opinion, not too fast, not too slow.

I think Kuma and Agena will be the last products of AM2, or at least those are the only product of AM2+

is it really in 2008..really want to make a new pc

hmm so afraid like the last time i buy the s939..then there come out the am2

the price will alys go down really quick

It would still be pointless because any IO hub upgrade would still require more/different IO ports.

hahaha, maybe 10 years later we can even plug & play USB port/ SATA port onto some sockets on the mobo, depends on how great is the IOHub. Well, dunno it can be achieved or not, just some day dreaming since i've finished work much earlier than expected

This post has been edited by charge-n-go: May 4 2007, 04:50 PM

but is it possible that am2+ will be based on ddr3?

Err I don't think so. Maybe AM2+ is the proc only since it can run on AM2. Agena and Kuma maybe will be produced in AM2+ and also AM3, just like the previous procs 939 and AM2. Same proc, different socket. I assume AM3 with DDR3.

want to know what she just msg me?...



This post has been edited by Oly: May 4 2007, 11:53 PM

ya.. agree with jy14, its even impossible to fully consume the dual cores now, even u open up to 5 HD videos simultaneously

This post has been edited by dattebayo: May 5 2007, 01:05 AM

Buy now...both Mobo n DDR3 prices would be killing...not worth waiting for another year...IMO

. amd didn use FSB since ages ago. ur cousin is just a lucky guy to work there, this simple stuff also dunno.

OH MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i dun like dis type of news.......

2008... hmm still far....

maybe i shud overclock my AM2 kaw kaw....

den upgrade to AM3

1. 1207 pin/pad = socket F which has been around for a while.
2. Intel 2x2 core has been proven to be quite kick-ass despite the FSB bottleneck. Going to overlook the FSB snafu your cousin made for now.
3. K10 launches in 2H07 but it's going to be a soft launch; Hector himself has confirmed they can only ramp in 08.
4. AMD using MCM approach!? I can picture Henri Richards spinning that one.

Oh BTW be careful of disclosing info on public forums. Your cousin might not have a job next time.
You don't see me or chargie yapping about what's coming unless it's already announced.

AMD wont simply throw in AM3 unless the DDR3 make it to main stream market..... AMD would lost a lot of market share then.......

ok2...will not tell to anyone...my last msg about this AMD thinggy...save her job...

Found some info regarding AM2+ & AM3 in Wikipedia, might be useful ...


AM2+
AM3

Seems AM2, AM2+ & AM3 share a similarity; the 940-contact socket.

940 and AM2 is different, although AM2 sometimes referred as 940. 940 is for most Opterons.

Just wondering, how is it AM2 proc will fit into AM3 board, but AM3 proc will NOT fit into AM2 board?

I mean, they are pin-to-pin compatible, since AM2+ fits AM2, AM3 fits AM2+ & vice versa.

I think it has something to do with HyperTransport. Well, that's of what I heard of.

This post has been edited by GeneralX: May 5 2007, 10:43 PM

Very informative

take a look at this... no more athlon.. here comes phenom

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/04/am...m_details_leak/
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/05/03/am...gh-end_athlons/
http://dailytech.com/AMD+to+Drop+Athlon+Mo...article7136.htm
http://dailytech.com/More+Details+on+AMD+S...article7147.htm
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39381

This post has been edited by casperito: May 6 2007, 03:56 AM

will come in 2008...waa next-gen pc

guess what, the newest rumours has it that AMD goin to demo barcelona ...again ....im bored of that word "demo" from AMD

to obey Moore's law or else he will wake up from his grave

Anyway, what is the purpose of creating faster and faster processors, they should focus more on implementing 64bit computing and perhaps 64bit processors that can handle 32bit computing under a 64bit OS environment

Mr. Moore is still alive and kicking; you can put down the anti-zombie shotgun.

Ever heard of "Andy giveth, Bill taketh away"?
64-bit is old news. Multi-core/insanely-threaded is in.

multi core...some game need multicore to have great game ply

current latest games need dual core already enough. but it will b a different story for HL2:ep2.

Remember P4? It started with 423 with RDRAM, then they kill the RDRAM, change to DDR, switch to 478, then later 775, change to DDR2, and finally they kill the P4 itself. How long does it take to do all that?

Best part is, after 3 sockets, then only they admit that netburst is a failure

Now, they revise the old P3 technology, which was altered for P-M, improve it a lil' bit, and voila! The 'NEW' technology; CORE 2!!!

Now, It's AMD's turn. One thing though, changing chipset doesn't really need them to change the sockets actually. Like Intel, they change chipsets so it will support new technologies; i.e: DDR->DDR2, SATA->SATA2, etc. It's easy for them because the northbridge is not embedded on the CPU itself. so they can just dump everything without having to change the socket, unlike AMD. Changing from 478 to 775 was also because of the FSB ceiling. They can't go any further, thus they have to change to new architecture to move forward in the gigahertz race. Now, even when there's new CPU or chipset coming, they can still use the same socket, and it's backward compatible. So users can just change the motherboard without having to change the CPU.

Unless AMD take a step backward, and remove the northbridge from the CPU, I myself think that they will keep changing sockets everytime there's new technology emerge. 754=single channel, 939=dual channel, AM2=DDR2, AM3=DDR3 and so on...

Cheers

p/s: ''membebel" n "mengarut" mode = on.

This post has been edited by Fries: May 16 2007, 01:26 PM

2008 will cause a big hole in my wallet...
nx gen console - PS3....now nx gen pc - AM3!!

better start saving now...

wei ikan question for u

hmm the latest cards with the best cpu .. still end up being cpu bound right..

so when will proc catch up to gpu until u can buy a balance system??

No, with newer games at higher resolutions and AA/AF, you are almost always GPU bound.

but still the price for am2 and ddr3 when it launch will be very high...

am2 is vice versa with the am3..

more cheaper to upgrade and upgrade 1 by 1

can't wait for 45nm chip out...my mobo already for 45nm chip but not for ddr3
[intel]...maybe save budget to get mobo am3 future