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Quazacolt
post Dec 3 2007, 06:53 AM

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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Nov 26 2007, 10:05 AM)
For a start, try booting up your system on stock settings, if it can boot without needing a reset then you have the answer. If it still doesn't work, try again on severely underclocked settings (set the lowest fsb and multiplier) if it still can't detect on first boot. If it can boot properly on stock and/or underclocked settings then it means your motherboard voltage regulators are not powering up fast enough. If on underclocked settings the problem is still there, then its probably some other problem which I'm not familiar with.
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well ive tried stock settings (finnally got the time to meddle around the bios lol)

and it ACTUALLY RECOGNIZES MY CPU as 2.66ghz instead of lolwut 2.41 ghz.
but the dumb thing still says new cpu installed press f1 to run setup blah blah doh.gif doh.gif

havent tried out underclocked settings but i think it maybe the higher ampere ratings from single rail psu's? because back when i was using the TT TP750 thats quad railed, the problem never occur at all.


Added on December 3, 2007, 7:01 am
QUOTE(lolhalol @ Nov 30 2007, 10:52 PM)
Corsiar hx520, tx 700 , hx620 , vx 550  ... to name a few
Sunbeam Nuuo 550  thumbup.gif  (using now)( old but super quality even johhny guru say )
SST Zeus 560 , Op1 K ( using now ), Op1.2k
Delta 600~800 wat
Dare i say it, coolermaster 800wat and above
Thermaltake Toughpower 1k wat and above, 700wat and above also not bad..
antec quatro

then some rare brands,

seventeam, etasis, emac/zippy , andyson , Pc power and cooling ,


Added on November 30, 2007, 10:54 pmany of the above will do


Added on November 30, 2007, 11:00 pmoih almost forgot , teh gigabyte psus are also not bad..
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in ur list, ive already used the thermal take toughpower 750W, silverstone OP650W (not 1kw though lol) and now the PC P&C silencer 750, and amongst these 3, the PC P&C wins hands down lol... but i guess the cost of the PSU only makes it logical >.>


Added on December 3, 2007, 9:54 am
QUOTE(lohwenli @ Dec 2 2007, 10:49 PM)
It depends. If the power supply is truly reliable, then even at its limit it will still mantain good voltage & ripple regulation even for long periods of time. The CM Realpower 550w that I use can handle a full 100% load for 24 hours with no problem, and even a 650W load for short durations. Is your Enhance 460w the one from 3431? Seem to be hearing that the voltage regulation is a bit weak on that PSU at the limit. But at least it doesn't blow up like those cap ayam/akucomel/power tak logik..  hmm.gif

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Some reviews of some screwed up cheap @$$ power supplies, just something for a bit of amusement reading. Especially like the comments on the 2nd one.
http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=134
http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=129
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lol good review links man, and those arent even ur regular cap ayams, they're like special branded cap ayam, or w/e better cap ayams than our cap ayams... lol

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post Dec 3 2007, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Dec 3 2007, 09:59 AM)
At stock it boots properly but only need to press F1 right (no hanging, no need to reset)? If that the case then it -might- be the PSU. But even then I suspect something else, possibly a motherboard voltage regulator not functioning as well as it should. If the voltage regulators are to blame, then you will have this problem using most processors on this board except for the lowest power ones.

Single rails are better than mutli railed PSUs for most purposes because you can't accidentally place an unbalanced load across the rails. But multi rail PSUs have their advantages too, a true multi rail PSU (which has completely seperate transformers and regulators for each rail) isolates voltage flutuations & EMI on each rail from other rails. Effectively two seperate PSUs in one, but designed to work together if necessary. Unfortunately, there are very few PSUs (even from highly reputable manufacturers) using a true multi rail design, most cheat and share regulators, and just place a current limiter on each rail, which has none of the advantages of a true multi rail. Hardwaresecrets does a good job of examining PSU circuits to determine how good a PSU is, though they lack the equipment to stress test the PSUs.
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oh it hangs and still need to press reset, but it recongnizes the clock speed (2.66 over 2.41 lolwtf 2.41?)

speakin of the difference of multi rail and single rails, i still dont get why the multi rail didnt cause such issues where as BOTH single rails did. my only guesswork is the increased amperage for the motherboard/cpu voltage regulators to regulate?
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QUOTE(chek @ Dec 3 2007, 11:25 PM)
Is it true the those PC Power & cooling silencer 750watt and below are actually OEM by SEASONIC, just like the CORSAIR HX series ?
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yes its OEM'ed by seasonic
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post Dec 4 2007, 06:34 AM

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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Dec 4 2007, 05:29 AM)
I'm really stumped now..by right the multi rail should be giving the problem, not the single rail. There is NO increase in actual amperes going to the motherboard regardless of which PSU you use, the number on the PSU is just the absolute max. In reality it will only supply what is asked for at that particular time.

I'm really starting to think this is not a PSU problem..probably the mobo..
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lol i should prolly try underclocking/undervolting sometime to test it out. if it finally make first boot without problems then it should be solely cpu/mobo problem and not the PSU. Just rather funny how not one but TWO high end PSUs are giving me this annoying minor problem where the lower end thermal take toughpower 750 never did. And their difference is the TT TP being quad railed where the OP650 and PC P&C 750 are single rails, and thats where i base my guess work on.

ill let you know if it actually work, and im assuming it would as running default clock/voltage allows my cpu to be correctly recognized on first boot instead of the dumb 2.41GHZ clock speed recognition on first boot.
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post Dec 21 2007, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Dec 20 2007, 12:03 AM)
off all PSU listed here, if i were you, i'd go for OP650... why?

1. single 60A +12V rail
2. powerful +3.3 and +5.00 rail too
3. silent
4. non-modular type
5. it's silverstone - i'm Silverstone ST56ZF user

why not having DA750? because it's modular type

why not having ST75ZF? because it's multi-rail design

why not Corsair? because i hate Corsair laugh.gif

why not Enermax? because used to love old Enermax product, but now... i think it's just unreliable

why not Gigabyte? it's a good PSU, but i simply don't like as well as it's motherboard laugh.gif doh.gif
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i second this post, cept 3) silent <-- not really tongue.gif

but i guess it is if you compare it against the PC P&C :/

OT: saw my pm? bila nak the PSU? tongue.gif


Added on December 21, 2007, 10:01 am
QUOTE(sniper69 @ Dec 20 2007, 01:33 PM)
i can't really explain in details, but from what i understand, IMO la... modular seems harder to manage those cables (yala... because the cables coming out from from all over PSU unlike modular coming out from one spot you know what i mean?), another thing is... modular vs non-modular... we got voltage regulation loss due to that modular design... like i said earlier... i can't really explain in details smile.gif

secondly...
i just don't like modular design, it hurts my eyes badly
no offense smile.gif, but that's my personal preference icon_idea.gif, IMO getting a good PSU is like one time big investment, get a good and can last long than get a lousy, cheaper but can't last longer icon_idea.gif

for example...
Silverstone ST56ZF vs Silverstone ST56F

those were same wattage, same company but difference is the price and the spec, why would i choose ST56ZF instead of ST56F? because it's single rail design that's all... as i said earlier... when buyinga new PSU, should be single rail, non-modular design, heavier the better, effective wattage @50°C (that's one of good reason why i choose Silverstone...) and so on... smile.gif
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actually cables coming out from anywhere also doesnt matter much lol. its just the current resistant modular cables impose. read up the pc P&C psu myth page tongue.gif

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post Jan 30 2008, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Jan 25 2008, 10:07 PM)
@all

haiya guys u want hardcore just get Zippy PSUs from the US la. Hardcore Server PSus. brows.gif brows.gif

OR

PC POwer and Cooling, anyone game laugh.gif brows.gif
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look at my siggy tongue.gif

almost rm 800 PC P&C psu running thumbup.gif


Added on January 30, 2008, 3:07 pm
QUOTE(sniper69 @ Jan 26 2008, 01:32 AM)
doh.gif, AFAIK, we don't have Zippy distro, but i think i know someone's gonna bring in the PC P&C brows.gif, can't tell though, it's only too early to tell smile.gif

1kW PC P&C too much le... i mean, it's 80mm fan surely as loud as Delta screamer (eh... they using Delta fan anyway (IIANM))
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karom and jy14! XD

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post Feb 15 2008, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(a1098113 @ Jan 30 2008, 07:10 PM)
@quaz
how is the performance at stress loads, bro? Whats the ESR or ripple for your PC Power n Cooling PSU?
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lol dont have the tools to stress load PSUs unless it can be done via software, or accurate ESR (whats that again?) / ripple ratings. but based from mobo software readings etc, the +3.3/+5/+12v ratings are around or under 1-2% readings and barely fluctuates *AT ALL*


Added on February 15, 2008, 12:00 pm
QUOTE(bata @ Feb 5 2008, 12:00 AM)
in the end we still look at the total ampere la rite  icon_question.gif
Chow
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single rails are more stable.

but as lohwenli explained multiple times before, quad rails are actually good, cept most manufacturers tend to cheat and produce "fake" quad rails resulting in sketchy performances especially from the cheap psu's (but it does save cost lol)


Added on February 15, 2008, 12:07 pm
QUOTE(CV6149 @ Feb 12 2008, 12:15 PM)
Just got my PC P&P Silencer 610w
love it and and its freaking silent!

single big fat rail biggrin.gif
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the pc p&C silencers are pretty ironic, they arent silent at all lol. silly small 80mm fans. the vast majority of psu in the market now are runnin on 120mm which is a LOT quieter than the PC P&C's.


Added on February 15, 2008, 1:07 pm
QUOTE(alive88 @ Feb 15 2008, 02:42 AM)
if ur planning for hardcore OC,go for st56f..but if u still consider for looks and style,while still want to OC hard(no core here) go for odin..

p/s:i oc hardcore wif this odin,no problemo..hehe..xixo too hardcore OCer,using st56f,no problemo.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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bro, get PCP&C for w.e reasons. rm500 for 610 watt PCP&C. unbelievable lol. even i cant believe it.

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post Feb 18 2008, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Feb 15 2008, 04:51 PM)
Personally, I don't trust voltage readings given by software since the monitoring chips of motherboards are not to say terribly accurate to begin with. Sure, they're good enough to warn you when the PSU is going south and voltages are flying all over the place, but if you want to compare between decent PSUs to see which is the best you're not going to get a consistent answer. To check how good is a PSU's voltages, a digital multimeter is needed.

ESR is equivalent series resistance, which is a capacitor spec, not a PSU spec. What you're talking about is ripple voltage, which are small, very fast fluctuations which can only be detected by using an osciloscope.

Actually, those fake 'multi-rail PSUs' are generally safer than single rail PSUs if the current limiters are properly done-the result will be that you will not be able to overload the PSU; doing so will cause the safety trip to go off. And both current limited 'multi-rail' PSUs and single rail PSUs have one weakness in common-if there is a massive fluctuation due to a rapidly changing load, all the lines will be affected. True multi-rail PSUs have each rail isolated from each other, so fluctuations on one line will not affect the others. Single rail PSUs have only one real advantage over multi-rail (whether true multi rail or current limited), that is you can load the single rail all the way to the limit before it trips. On multi-rail PSUs, overloading even a single rail will trip the PSU. But all said, loading a PSU to the limit is never a good idea, it greatly shortens the life of the PSU.

The PCP&C Silencer IS pretty quiet at low load, because very little heat is produced the fan doesn't need to spin much. But at heavy loads, then you're right-it really needs to be 'silenced' by a 120mm fan.
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hmm doubt my pc is on heavy loading for the PSU, i mean, if the olympia 650W can power it up, the 750 should have a 150watt at least thats unused. and im not really hardcore oc'ing my pc either.

but it still sound a bit noisier than the op650/TT toughpower750 (they both on 120/140mm fans)
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post Feb 19 2008, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(lohwenli @ Feb 18 2008, 05:52 PM)
Its a good PSU, like OC4/3 said. The review by jonnyguru.com explains it in full. The only downside is maybe the software bundled with it, which as I've been told this problem has been fixed.
I don't recommend this at all, the voltage regulation is ok, but the ripple voltage at high load is off the chart. Under overclocked conditions, your hardware (especially mobo voltage regulators) could give way even though the voltage readings appears ok (its only obvious on a osciloscope). For details, read the review at jonnyguru, scroll though the list till you find it.
One glance and I know your PC doesn't even take 500W, much less 650W. Its probably around 450W only (you're not doing SLI right?)

Overclocked C2Q -200W max
8800 ultra superclocked -150W max
rest of system - 50-100W

The max values are as I said-max. If they actually took up that much power, even water cooling won't cool it down to comfortable temps (it'll be around 50-60C). Aircooling would be close to useless, even high performance 3rd party coolers will be running close to limits (70C+).
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yea which is why im saying my PC P&C would be no where close to full load, and still its not as quiet as it is advertised. and as mentioned, the 120mm/140mm silverstone/TT psu's performed better in terms of quietness.


Added on February 19, 2008, 1:23 pm
QUOTE(ocz @ Feb 19 2008, 03:00 AM)
Which is better,ocz,corsair HX,pc p&c?
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PC P&C no doubt. however since ocz did acquired pc p&c, their psu could be almost as good, although personally i dont have much info in regards to ocz's PSUs

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