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"I spent the last 15 years trying to become an American. I've failed.
By William Han Jun 23, 2015, 8:00am EDT
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I have lived in America for the past 15 years. I have two Ivy League degrees. And I am on the verge of deportation."

A lot of the people who go overseas get jobs, they happen mostly to be women or girls. There is a sexist agenda at work.

I probably can't comment whether APU or Sunway is better because It's been many years since I graduated (but if you insist I would say APU since they are famously known for IT degrees). I believe Computer Science is better if you intend to focus on programming as the subjects are more towards algorithms and maths.

If you intend to go overseas, it'll be easier if you do a twinning program (e.g. 1 years local and 2 year overseas). For example, you can enter APU and still transfer to Monash Australia for example in your 2nd or final year. It's called a credit transfer but Monash would most likely require you to take an additional semester. You can choose the other partners who don't require an additional semester (E.g. RMIT/QUT - not sure if it's still the same now).

Do note however it is much tougher to get a good job overseas as a fresh graduate. You have to be good in what you do and also results matters otherwise. After all you are a foreigner there and you are competing with their locals.

Check out HELP College Anglia Ruskin University CS Degree which is often overlooked. Im an graduated student from there.

Dont expect much campus life and stuff basically is a single building kinda campus but the lecturer is good, small classes and up to date and direct from UK syllabus. If im not mistaken you can go to Cambridge UK Campus for 2 week if the promotion is still on. Fairly reasonable and affordable price i would say... PTPTN sure can cover if thats a concern. Oh and dont expect much IT society stuff like MMU or other larger tech based Uni... is mostly self learning and meeting up with various of people...

If all you want is to get a nice cert and pretty good academic stuff can check them out

I have checked them out before and didn't overlook then, but it just felt like there wasn't much to gain. Their whole 2 weeks abroad didn't seem very enticing to me either. And that forums speaking about the appalling quality of lecturers made me doubt it. While I can't say for sure since I never tried. My eyes are currently set on Sunway given that theyre at the very least well known in the local scene.

appalling quality? wow where hmm Nottingham also look quite interesting have you checked them out?

Don't take my word for it since my information is from hearsay. But look around an old thread about some guy asking about joining help. And one poster would say that the quality of teaching there is bad.

Not that I'm against Help. To be honest I'd go there.
( Cause I actually enjoy psychology and tbh would want to study that) however for tech. I'd rather recommend APU if you want just a fancy cert. While price wise hands down help is about half the price if I'm not mistaken. But APU also gives you a lot more in terms of their focus being targeted highly on IT.

As for me I'd pick Sunway. Because 1 it's not bad and you barely here anything bad said about their tech school, plus I've spoken to their head lecturer briefly and was quite convinced I'd be well of in Sunway, and at the very least happy with where I'm studying. Cause if lecturers suck and ive Been fooled. At least the campus is big enough for me to find my own spot and study alone.. And for value for money. I get a lot more facilities and such at Sunway rather than APU, and I'm not too interested in just having to go to a "top it school" when their recent competitions results aren't as good as their past. Given that some of their "best" lecturers have left. (Talking about APU)

I'm in no way slandering other Unis. And I'm sorry if I have . But if I had to pick based on what I thought was worth it for me at the moment it's Sunway. Unless someone can convince me Help or APU 's international cert is from a top 10 Tech school in UK.

APU's staffordshire being top 54
And Anglia Ruskin further behind that.
As for Sunway it merely has a validation from Lancaster. So I do get a cert from a top 10 overall and top 20 tech school in UK. But while not as amazing as having an actual degree from there since it's not exactly that..or some bs like that.

At the very least. Sunway is just as well known as the other unis when it comes to tech. And so even if it's not the most well known. I mean in the end of the day. Its all about your own effort.

I've started similar threads and read similar threads countless times on the matter. And hence based on what I found to be valuable to me. Id prefer Sunway.

And as for Nottingham as much as I'd love to study there. Too pricy la ><

This post has been edited by PopcornFan: Feb 27 2018, 01:26 PM

hahaha too pricey thanks for your long reply. it helps me on my knowledge a bit also thanks a lot ya

Thank you too for your insight on help! I was initially thinking of going there because I'd want to see an old friend who's also studying there. But maybe I could just meet up with them some other way in the future ~

Anyways thanks again for your insight bro. It's been very helpful to me as well ^^

Hi. I came across this post and just noticed that I'm in a similar situation as you!!
I'm also looking for a bachelor degree in CS, majoring in software engineering, reasonable fees (approx. 60k for the whole 3 year programme) + dual award/twinning programme to study abroad if possible.
I'm wondering if you've made your decision rn? cz i am currently lost and im considering mmu cyberjaya/ taylors but im not too sure either. pls advise if possible

I would say, either one of those UNIs listed are definitely prestige enough to be employed by top employers, it all boils down on your interview skills at the end of the day.(Of course grades must be at least 2nd class or above).

I studied marketing in INTI and now im being employed in MNCs (Fortune 50/100 Companies) as my choice of career path sets on Marketing and Sales. Depending on your course, business students were given interview lessons in the course to improvise your presentation during interview (Dos and Donts)

My colleagues are all either overseas grad or those in Taylors/Monash/Nottingham but what employers need are your expertise/experience and culture fit in a company (You'll be surprised that your personality really matters in a company).

My circle of friends all graduated overseas and theyre struggling to join MNCs due to lack of confidence in answering interview questions.

Cheers!

This post has been edited by Gallardo: Nov 24 2019, 03:25 AM

Don't go to MMU they have new stupid rules. You fail a subject 2 times and you will never get a degree, idk what in retardation happened there but everyone is leaving MMU for Inti, and other unis because of this stupid reason. Best advice avoid MMU at all cost. I'm currently taking Masters just thesis paper so it doesn't effect me, but normal course are affected. My little sister in MMU taking degree, is also moving to another Uni soon, transferring her credits and everything. Mostly foreigner left as well and went to LKW and etc.

My friend who is also a lecturer at MMU there said he is continuing his studies but won't be doing it at MMU as well. There is a lot of internal issues going on there. Low intake mostly because the fees are too high now, with ridiculous rules. Staff there are paid lower than other unis, really low according to my friend.

This post has been edited by Rei7: Nov 24 2019, 02:42 PM

Damn...that's quite bad. I've heard a lot of rumors about the situation in MMU but I didn't really get a clear picture of how bad it actually is over there rn. Thank you so much for the precaution!
Btw may I ask if there's any good unis that you'd reckon for degree in software engineering?

Damn...that's quite bad. I've heard a lot of rumors about the situation in MMU but I didn't really get a clear picture of how bad it actually is over there rn. Thank you so much for the precaution!
Btw may I ask if there's any good unis that you'd reckon for degree in software engineering?

I'm not quite sure regarding this sorry, since my field is more on the creative designing side. But yeah thought you should know what you will be in for if you join MMU, not what it used to be anymore.

Last time I had a conversation I heard Sunway, Taylors and Monash is a good option. This is from a student who is currently studying computer science at Monash.

Hey there readers!! [LONG UPDATE POST AHEAD!]

On this very same day, 2 years ago, I was a college graduate who just like you, was lost in a sea of information. Paralysed by the sheer number of choices we have after graduating highschool/college. So I did what any of you did, I scoured the internet looking for answers, hoping I could satisfy my curiosity and pick a higher education, because that's what society wants of us right? I will be happy after I pick and can just go on leaving life however I want to right? Wrong! Your actions have consequences, and you are about to learn that in a very "hands-on" way in the next 3 to 4 years of your life. Because little did I know, when I first started this journey, all it was going to do, was paralyse me further and drown me with even more questions, and leave me a lot more confused then when I first begun.

Fortunately for you guys, I've already done most of the research, and so you can ask me about it if this post isn't enough. I will give you as best to my ability a neutral answer, as well as try to cater to your needs, because I too was a fresh faced student like you once. I started this thread, because there wasn't much information out there for students of my generation. And quite frankly, a lot of people were just out to get your money as soon as they got that commission once you signed up for their Institution.

Thus, with hopes that I would get tons of advice and insight from seniors, I set out to ask questions across various different platforms (not just lowyat) as well as did my own research by travelling to almost all the mentioned institutions, and asking alumni about their experiences. As well as from asking people on a day-to-day basis. ( I did this for a period of 6 months, amongst other things)

What I found was astounding, and what I ended up experiencing once I finally made my decision was conclusive of one key thing.

None of this sh*t matters. Truly. Trust me, your perspective is constantly evolving, and once you reach University level you will realise why everyone says "What you learnt in _insert_education_level_here" is not going to be relevant in _insert_higher_level_here"

To cut short. Pick what fits who you want to be and your priorities. I know you came here looking for CS advice, but let me tell you this. You might want to take CS because everyone is saying it's good, or youtube says its good, or you can "make a lot of money". None of this is necessarily true if you don't enjoy the work or don't have the soft skills to work with people.

Sure, some of us can build the discipline to push through with things we hate. But not all of us can, if not everyone would have 6-pack bodies. But the reality is, not many of us can achieve such a feat, so pick what you truly, TRULY want to do.

I think the closest and most timeless advice given here is the one by Gallardo on 24th November 2019. (I'm not saying the others are further from the truth, they are all useful, provided you know what you are doing. But I'm sure most of you who are here reading this right now, aren't.)

In the end, it's how you market yourself that matters most. Of course expertise too, but once you have that. What sets you apart from the rest if your soft-skills.

Every one of these mentioned institutions will definitely arm you well with the necessary 'education'. The question you should be asking yourself is these 3 golden questions;
1) What is it that I want to REALLY study?
2) Am I doing this because the money is good? What values do I truly care about? What skills do I actually want to possess?
3) I am going to spend the next 3 to 4 years of my life doing this, is this the environment I want to spend for the next 3 to 4 years?

Of course everything I'm mentioning in this response is the "short answer" and you can always PM me for further elaboration, or if you are having any personal issues. I am more than happy to help.

In fact, the reason I'm concluding this today is because I opened my inbox today to find that quite a number of students have inboxed me on the matter. And so after putting in some thought, I decided to write this.

If you need further clarification, feel free to seek me out!

PS: I may reply slow, I'm not on lowyat often.

(It's okay if you find this overwhelming, or if you can't accept what I'm saying, you will understand soon enough. It's only a matter of time)


Bonus:
"In the end the University isn't the one that will shape you, but the steps that you take towards achieving your goals that will shape you"
"So to pick your University or heck even to pick your career path, first ask yourself this. "What is it that I want to do with my life?"

Edit: Grammar, wording content.

This post has been edited by PopcornFan: Jan 9 2020, 02:38 AM

Hi, Im a SPM leaver and looking forward to futher my study in computing. Im confused wheather i should choose APU or Sunway/Monash. What are your recommendations on this?

HI there. I am currently studying diploma in IT at Sunway and im still thinking where should i study CS degree . My choices are Sunway MMU. IT's too pricey for me to go Monash or Nottingham. Which university in your opinion is better? As a current student in sunway, i find the subjects of diploma in IT are all very easy?? I feel like not learning much so i don't know about the degree level.

So have you already graduated?