Hot news. DDR3 memory modules is out!!

Reviews so far:

Super talent DDR3 - working modules
Buffalo DDR3 - already for sale!
Anandtech : DDR3 vs DDR2
Kingston DDR3 vs DDR2
AnandTech: Intel P35
First low-latency DDR3 - Kingston
---DDR3-1066 (6-6-6)
---DDR3-1333 (7-7-7)
Corsair Dominator at 1600 Mhz (and preview at 2000Mhz)!!
X-bitlabs - DDR3 SDRAM
OCZ DDR3-1800
OCZ platinum vs Corsair Dominator DDR3-1800

More info on DDR3:
Samsung's DDR3 info

Facts up to now:

90 nm process
40% lower power consumption (compared to DDR2)
1.5V (DDR2 1.8v, DDR 2.5v)
800-1600 Mhz effective clock rate (DDR2 : 400-1066 Mhz) (DDR 200-600 Mhz)
CAS 7 (Rated at 5 - 10) (DDR2 3-6)
8-bit pre-fetch architecture (DDR2 4-bit)

Mainstream in 2009 (Probably..... maybe..... don't get your hopes up to much!!!)

And the last part:

240-pin DIMM interface - allowing DDR3-compatible chipsets to host DDR2 modules !!!
Update : Misleading - DDR3 has different notch compared to DDR2!

This means that by that time, when we upgrade, we can still use our DDR2-1200 Mhz CL 3 Corsair dominator water-cooled RAMS !!!

Attached is the DDR3 speeds as compared to DDR2. Due to no speed advantage, it is said that AMD would not transition to DDR3 until at least DDR3-1333.....

This post has been edited by kmarc: Aug 31 2007, 11:44 AM


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cool!! finally someone posted this thread!!

but i'm waiting for big brand and when it will be launched in local officially??

how many hardware out there is able to support this?
need to change mobo?

Great... now let's see the price of RAMs change again.

you need Bearlake G or P series to support DDR3. i guess it means getting new motherboard.

Isn't super talent a good U.S brand?

Frankly speaking, I've never heard of this brand until I saw our nice LYN traders selling it individually or in bulk.

zero. and u wont get it cheap. expect it to sell at twice the price of DDR2.

oh, new mobo and again waiting for all the mobo manufacturer to get this DDR3 support mobo produce massively and we can get cheap price then...

damn....not DDR3 is coming ar??

there is same review say that the new DDR3 architecture features high-speed data transfer of up to 1333Mbps, double the speed of the DDR2 and high-speed operation with low-power consumption...

At the moment just Intel P33, G33, P35, G35 and X38 support DDR3...
However just P35 will in market in Q2, the rest will in market Q3

Guys faster save enough cash 2 sapu all DDR2 u can get. Coz once DDR3 arrive on our market DDR2 price gonna rise...

Why arr?
Isn't DD3 release price of DDR2 drop? Me confused...

that time DDR2 will be discontinued,once the ram is discontinue,the price sure rise one....cause demand more than supply.....

same what happen to ddr.price keep rise

I don't think DDR2 will be discontinued anytime soon. Same thing happened last time when DDR2-533 and DDR2-667 came out and reviews showed that DDR2 did not have much speed advantage compared to low latency DDR400 rams.

Facts on DDR3 from Wiki:

90 nm process
40% lower power consumption (compared to DDR2)
1.5V (DDR2 1.8v, DDR 2.5v)
Effective clock rate 800-1600 Mhz (DDR2 : 400-1066 Mhz) (DDR 200-600 Mhz)

And the last part:

240-pin DIMM interface - allowing DDR3-compatible chipsets to host DDR2 modules !!!

This means that by that time, when we upgrade, we can still use our DDR2-1200 Mhz CL 3 Corsair dominator water-cooled RAMS !!!

when will AMD use DDR3? any news?

hopes DDR3 don't lose the memory timing anymore

spam thread?

Anyway here's a bit more news on DDR3, Japan is getting them earlier.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/displa...0426140713.html

Err.... the hyperlink above on Buffalo DDR3 indicates that its DDR3 will be CAS 7!!!
(DDR3 CAS 5 to 10) (DDR2 CAS 3-6)

But even CL7, supposed to be faster.....

This post has been edited by kmarc: Apr 27 2007, 10:25 PM

This is gonna burn another hole in my wallet...

agreed... but then the everything good does...

Probably burn 8 holes, rather, as it is reported that initial DDR3 memory modules will be 8x more expensive!!!

Soon it wil be the end of DDR2 mobos ...

well,it has 240 pins....means that,the ddr3 mobo can use ddr2,but ddr2 mobo cant use ddr3....(maybe update bios will help?)
anyway,CL7..........kinda loose ya?

wth.
i am going to get new rig this week
now DD3 somemore

and yet, one of my rig is still running SD RAM waiting for the best time, before buying one good set and it will last for few years before some damn new technologies is introduced in CeBiT

Ya lo. I guess it will slowly come down to CL6 then CL5. Like DDR2......

Going to miss those days where CL2.0 was such a thrill to aim for!!!!

i don't think so, even amd still using ddr2... still no news for chipset that can support ddr3 on amd platform...

intel, yep, incoming new chipset confirm support ddr3 module

I also don't think so as DDR3 mobos is supposed to be able to support DDR2. A lot of people would probably use the DDR2 rams when they upgrade (especially those with good DDR2 modules e.g. corsair dominator )

So fast DDR3 liao?....Hahaha...me still using DDR1, hopefully it won't go extinct so soon

Anyone of you guys dare to estimate when will DDR3 ram become mainstream?I am still on my DDR ram and hopefully it can still last me another year..lol..

wrong! DDR3 supprt for AMD does not need any chipset because memory controller is built-in the cpu.

AM3 cpu will support DDR3

This post has been edited by soulfly: Apr 29 2007, 10:53 PM

Some reports indicate that it will become mainstream in 2009 (probably not, considering the track records of new computer hardware/software).

I'm also using DDR, hmmmmm..... wonder whether we can streeeeettccchhhhh the life of our current rig, wait a bit longer, and jump straight into DDR3 and skip DDR2 altogether!!!! LOL

oppss... forgot that amd hv memory controller in the cpu, but so fat still no news for AM3, but i think DDR3 still along way, even it not relase in market yet..

But... but.... my motherboard only support ddr2... might have to wait ddr 3 motherboard release.... :sob:

DDR3 RAM has been released! Read the hyperlink on the first page on "Buffalo RAMs".

Wonder who would buy it......

wonder how much it's gonna cost

USD1180 for 2GB ~ RM4K++ for RAM...

omg.. can buy one new normal pc..

den the ddr3 mobo oso same pricey arr?

FYI

"A DDR3 DIMM will not fit into a standard DDR2. The notch in a 240-pin DDR3 DIMM is in a different location than the notch for regular 240-pin DDR2"

interesting..but in 2009?at least i get time to save some cash to buy bigger n faster dd3 mem..

Oh no! I didn't believe that until I googled it. It seems that it is true the notch is in a different place.

How misleading this phrase is - "240-pin DIMM interface - allowing DDR3-compatible chipsets to host DDR2 modules !!!"

Note the word "chipset". It actually (cleverly) didn't mention anything about DIMM compatibility!!! Only chipset compatible!

Hopefully, there will be DDR3 mobo that have slots for DDR2 DIMM???!!??!?

aiyo.,....but not same place is better,cause for noob who go buy ram,"i know it has 240 pin only"
then the shop ppl give him ddr3 and put into his ddr2 mobo,then kahboom!

so,better clerify this lo,just we waste a lot of money.

So, does this mean that DDR3 mobo is not going to be able to support DDR2 ram and vice versa?

i think so,if it is,there is no point to launch ddr3,beside that,the location of the notch is different,cant fix.

Aiks, and i thought they are compatible in the first place. That will help reduce the burden and cost to some people who wanted an upgrade..lol..

So, the question is, would there be any Hybrid board that is going to have both DDR2 & DDR3 Dimm slots?

Hopefully there is. However, some people might not like it as they won't be able to use the full 4 slots if they decide to later upgrade totally to DDR3.

As for me, I don't mind using only 2 slots as I still want dual-channel!

Unless DDR3 mobo can have quad-channel????

Set out to release next week...

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39339


wonder how it will fare?

Anyways, havta stick to DDR2 since i already got the mobo for my new rig

hm... i don think i will upgrade so soon... as i expect my rig to stay wif me for at least 2 years... most i will upgrade is my processor, RAM & GC...

Speed is insane, price as well O_o


-pWs-

This post has been edited by -pWs-: May 4 2007, 05:54 PM

wow... I don't even change to DDr2 yet... now theres already news for DDR3... o.O

Here's a comparison between DDR3 vs DDR2.

Just look at the DDR3 timings!!

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2989

This post has been edited by kmarc: May 16 2007, 10:20 PM

Here's another simplified comparison between DDR3 and DDR2:

Kingston DDR3 Vs DDR2

The price of new DDR3 would be burning our pocket, unless you have a lot of $$$

This post has been edited by ronaldjoe: May 20 2007, 11:54 AM

ERmmm.... the latency almost double if compare to DDR2. But performance still can beat DDR2.
Really wish to see the mature of DDR3 with lower latency. Tempting


-pWs-

Wei, no ranting here. Can go to "Kopitiam" to rant.

i think need more time for the manufacturer to develop more stable DDR3 before it really suite to market....

now the Price of DDR3 PC6400 still quite high.... if this really into market, it really make a deep impact to market....

somemore the MOBO supported, it also another big problem...

the manufacturer really have a long way to go...

look like ddr3 can run at much lower voltage...
see that 1.5 volt min.. if compare to ddr 2.5volt

This post has been edited by salimbest83: May 21 2007, 05:17 AM

That was a comment, thank you. +1.

Remember the times where DDR2 underperformed compared to DDR performance modules? Deja vu. Latency values are nuts, and the final blow being everything priced so high and requiring total changes (LGA+PCIE+DDR2+New Components).

Higher performance in current benchies is attributed to Bearlake's memory controllers, which themselves probably became Intel's focus on the new chipsets. Alas, they (Bearlake) accept DDR2 too. And they run faster currently on performance DDR2 modules that cost cheaper. Oh?

If you want to pay 700 Euro for bragging rights on 2007's overclocker with a paltry 2Gigs go for it. But seriously, there's practically no meaning to roll this out *THIS* early- Penryn would be perfect and modules would be more mature. You know, besides being able to clock better.

Core 2 Refresh? You gotta be kidding me. It makes the tech look ugly.

OIC. +1

Well, I guess companies are competing to get their DDR3 modules out. You know how competition is. It is true that the industry is not ready for DDR3 yet but I guess you have to start sometime!!!

The good news is that at least DDR3 outperforms DDR2 on intro!! If you compare this to the time when DDR2 initially came out, recall that reviews showed DDR2 inferior to DDR!!!

Nobody in his/her right mind would buy DDR3 + DDR3 mobo now (unless you have money to throw away!). It is possible/probable that the technology is rolled out now so that tech ethusiasts can test them and iron out all the bugs. Remember that labs testing and real-world testing are two complete different scenario. Their modules can be 100% compliant in the lab but when used in real-world condition, found to have many bugs. This is the time for DDR3 to mature!!!!

The same can be said about Vista. Who needs vista now? So many bugs and problems......

DDR3 has arrived and won't be mainstream probably until late 2008 or early 2009. Until then, more companies would have rolled out their products and definitely prices will drop. As for myself, I wait for DDR3 + Quad-core (8-core???) + "matured" vista with open arms!!!

can ddr 3 price drop like the way ddr2 drop now...
even someone starting bulk for 1GB kingston ddr2 667 for just RM105...
that damm cheap..

ofcourse when ddr4 want to launch

forget bout all those benchmarks. here the real retail benchmarks for both DDR3 and DDR2
http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/384/cor...ddr3/page14.php

ddr3 slot not the same with ddr2 but ddr3 mobo like intel P35 (bearlake) can support ddr2 if it has ddr2 slot, so called hybrid board.

Ya, and their conclusion is "Cette dernière en DDR2-1066 parvient même à se placer devant la DDR3-1333". ????

Sorry la, I only speak English! LOL! Better wait for the English version.

What language is this anyway?

it's in French

"The latter DDR2-1066 even manages to be placed in front of the DDR3-1333"

Eh, I thought in previous reviews, DDR3 ram did beat DDR2? Any new reviews in English to confirm this?

Isn't that what has been used in older processors such as prescott?
Wouldn't it be hot?

transistors count and die size are smaller. so not as hot as pressHOT.

Guys, maybe the link below can clear the air.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/05/21/int...dr3/page20.html

http://www.behardware.com/news/8754/previe...r-bearlake.html

Enjoy.

I did see the review on TomsHardware. However, halfway thru I was already getting a heache as there were so much information! Not to mention new product names like P35, G33, X38.....

For example "First of all, Intel releases the P35 (mainstream) and the G33 (mainstream with integrated GMA 3100 graphics). The faster G35 and the enthusiast version X38 (PCI Express 2.0) will follow in Q3. Both P35 and G33 carry a DDR3 as well as a DDR2 memory controller." I'm sure this has to be read a couple of times before it is understood!!!

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Added on May 24, 2007, 7:05 pmHere's another review on DDR3 : http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2995&p=5

This post has been edited by kmarc: May 24 2007, 07:05 PM

Low-latency DDR3 from Kingston has arrived!!!

Current DDR3-1333 (9-9-9) : Kingstons DDR3-1333 (7-7-7)
Current DDR3-1066 (7-7-7) : Kingstons DDR3-1066 (6-6-6)

Read the review here!

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2996&p=1

low latency means high perf rams...
so its price must be sky high ..

lol, im thinking of getting a high perf ddr2 rams end of this year to replace my cikai ddr2 ram. and now ddr3? yeah, i'ma wait til it matures, like maybe 2-3yrs from now. Then i'll get it. it's too early to think of getting one now.

but it's good to know what's up in sleeves in the coming years hey?

Yup. Still have to wait for it to mature and the prices to come down.

However, it is exciting to know that even now, DDR3 RAMs can go up to 2000 Mhz!!! Courtesy of Corsair!! (Hyperlinks in the first page....)

if kingston can do it, i'll wait for micron to counter it

ddr3 rams are still selling at a premium price...new tech always does. need a couple more ram manufacturers to start selling ddr3 then prices will start to be more swallowabled

Here a new review on DDR3 : http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/di...r3_2.html#sect0

Answers a lot of questions including projected lifespan of DDR2 and DDR3!!

Yeah, that's right! Because DDR4 is projected to arrive in 2011!


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Great! Can anybody tell me how computer's components interact with computer memory ?
What is the components inside CPU ?

email me at:
manwithoutsmile@yahoo.com

You can find this on wikipedia lor. Or learn computer architecture.

new mobo ah?? why they ddin't make d ram slot like vga slot... can support ddr1,ddr2,ddr3 in only one slot dont need 2 change mobo?? isn't it??

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Added on July 21, 2007, 2:39 amlor... learn the cmputer architecture la... take computer science courses... in common they interact using binary code and has its own method how to figure the data transfer...

This post has been edited by lucas_podolski: Jul 21 2007, 02:39 AM

It will have chipset compatibility issue. It's not gonna work.

errrr,,.,
no more updates on DDR3??
who knows when it will be launch in malaysia??

Already launch bro, u r very left behind.