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 OTM Capital scam or not?, Opinion?

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adele123
post Sep 16 2019, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(gajah67 @ Sep 16 2019, 02:51 PM)
haha just now, i asked the guy who was approaching me.. can i get back my fund. He said yes after 2 years or otherwise can convert to unit..

hahaha.. can I trust?? ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
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When some things are too good to be true, it is too good to be true.

Why still got people fall for such scheme? Dont greedy.
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post Sep 16 2019, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(gajah67 @ Sep 16 2019, 11:34 AM)
is this kind of saving/investment you guys talking about?
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They told me, the fund of capital is guaranteed and I can get back after 2 years contract. The divident also fixed for every month. For me, it sounds something fishy.. I also asked them, is this saving is monitored by security commision and BNM.. their answer this investment is for developing hotel/tourism place somewhere at Mentawai Island and other place - Bali (i can't remember) which is not located in Malaysia and governed under regulation Indonesia market.
Anyone, please help me. I worried if this is SCAM. My loan 71k is almost approved by bank.. it still in KIV because a few of document is not complete yet.
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all of us here has invested our money in OTM and can't even get back our capital. please do not be stupid and invest any of your money inside. you will regret along with us.
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post Sep 17 2019, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(oinkoink @ Sep 16 2019, 05:59 PM)
all of us here has invested our money in OTM and can't even get back our capital. please do not be stupid and invest any of your money inside. you will regret along with us.
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This morning i asked them about the company's prospectus. Until now they can't provide. I told them, if they want to invite investor for the investment, they have to show prospectus first...and the funny thing is their agent keep convicing me to come and discuss with them at their lounge..

Even I asked my networking who work as bankers in Malaysia&Indonesia.. They told me, they don't even heard about this company.. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
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post Sep 17 2019, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(gajah67 @ Sep 17 2019, 12:51 PM)
This morning i asked them about the company's prospectus. Until now they can't provide. I told them, if they want to invite investor for the investment, they have to show prospectus first...and the funny thing is their agent keep convicing me to come and discuss with them at their lounge..

Even I asked my networking who work as bankers in Malaysia&Indonesia.. They told me, they don't even heard about this company.. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚
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The same to me Gajah67.

I went to Bank in Indonesia and ask them about OTM, and asked another investors and my friends in Jakatar. No body know about OTM.

And, because OTM took my 1.5 Million USD, I hired lawyer in Indonesia search more infomation about OTM, but my lawyer told me OTM dont have real office in Indonesia. I cant report to Police and Indonesia Government because OTM isn't company in OTM. They are SCAM.

If someone know real office in Indonesia, please let me know. My lawyer in Indonesia is hunting them.
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post Sep 18 2019, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(GC8X @ Sep 15 2019, 09:47 PM)
I think OTM is MLM and if we want to get money back, we must find the guy stay behind OTM (Not leader is the same with dr T. This guy only is stupid guy was be cheated by OTM)

These guys go to my country, organization event in my country, open the office, make sales promotion of OTM.

Some name you should know : Brian (BIG Boss - manage employees in Indonesia - About 55 years old), Chow (Joe - This guy is event operations manager) - About 36 years old.
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Which country are you at?

Anyone heard of the BIG Boss in Malaysia is called 'Dato' Fizer?


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post Sep 18 2019, 12:56 AM

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Any investment ROI is more than 20% PA is Warren Buffet level

FD 3-4%
ASB 7-8%
Stocks 10-12%
???? 100% lol
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post Sep 18 2019, 06:09 AM

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Hi guys

We want our money back!!

Can we form a group to make police report in bukit aman, bank negara & medical association against otm & doc thong & other leaders. Take them to jail & suspend or โ€œbuangโ€ dr thong medical license.
Shame on him to be medical doctor that cheated our money vmad.gif
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post Sep 18 2019, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(jamesbond008 @ Sep 17 2019, 11:51 PM)
Which country are you at?

Anyone heard of the BIG Boss in Malaysia is called 'Dato' Fizer?
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We're come from Vietnam.

I met Fizer once, but didn't talk too much with him.

All OTM's Big Boss are come from Malaysia.

The real boss never show his face, and this guy took all our money.
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post Sep 18 2019, 04:45 PM

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why not just go their office at midvalley ?
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post Sep 18 2019, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(Juan86 @ Sep 18 2019, 03:45 PM)
why not just go their office at midvalley ?
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Midvalley is main office ?

I dont think so. We follow them many time, no one is main office. They have many office in Malaysia and Indonesia, but now, they was closed all. Midvalley maybe a new one.
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post Sep 18 2019, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(GC8X @ Sep 17 2019, 08:20 PM)
The same to me Gajah67.

I went to Bank in Indonesia and ask them about OTM, and asked another investors and my friends in Jakatar. No body know about OTM.

And, because OTM took my 1.5 Million USD, I hired lawyer in Indonesia search more infomation about OTM, but my lawyer told me OTM dont have real office in Indonesia. I cant report to Police and Indonesia Government because OTM isn't company in OTM. They are SCAM.

If someone know real office in Indonesia, please let me know. My lawyer in Indonesia is hunting them.
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I already discussed with someone in BNM. This OTM actually is not listed in BNM and Securities Commission.

Even though the company said, they don't need to list under BNM and SC, because their investment is in Indonesia.

But according to BNM..they still need to register. It is under Malaysian Financial System law and regulation, especially when they involved with investor in Malaysia&collect the fund from here.

One more thing, based on the rules.. the investor in any of the investment can't be fund manager in the same time. Because it will create conflict of interest.

I suspect, this OTM is not company..but it is from individual entity..

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post Sep 19 2019, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Juan86 @ Sep 18 2019, 04:45 PM)
why not just go their office at midvalley ?
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QUOTE(GC8X @ Sep 18 2019, 05:26 PM)
Midvalley is main office ?

I dont think so. We follow them many time, no one is main office. They have many office in Malaysia and Indonesia, but now, they was closed all. Midvalley maybe a new one.
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to be exact, their office in in KL ECO CITY. No idea which block which level though. guess all investors own a certain portion of the office. sweat.gif
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post Sep 19 2019, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(Xithyl @ Sep 19 2019, 10:27 AM)
to be exact, their office in in KL ECO CITY. No idea which block which level though. guess all investors own a certain portion of the office. sweat.gif
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to be honest.. my first impression visiting the so called 'office' is bad.
it seriously looks like a sham. more like a night club/pub with partition i think.
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post Sep 19 2019, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(naughtynite @ Sep 19 2019, 09:08 PM)
to be honest.. my first impression visiting the so called 'office' is bad.
it seriously looks like a sham. more like a night club/pub with partition i think.
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cause those leader likes to go club to show power

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post Sep 19 2019, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(naughtynite @ Sep 19 2019, 09:08 PM)
to be honest.. my first impression visiting the so called 'office' is bad.
it seriously looks like a sham. more like a night club/pub with partition i think.
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yes..indeed. I also went to their 'office' that day...which is from my first impression, it is not a proper office. Sorry to say, it seems like 'along' place like in a drama... Actually i feel scared, but just pretending cool..๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

I also feeling weird, because all the discussion about the scheme was conducted separately in a room.. and if we have something doubt, we only can talk with them & cannot discuss with other expertise in the investment field. One more thing, the meeting only can be set up at night...so weird!! ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜…


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post Sep 29 2019, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(gajah67 @ Sep 18 2019, 08:03 PM)
I already discussed with someone in BNM. This OTM actually is not listed in BNM and Securities Commission.

Even though the company said, they don't need to list under  BNM and SC, because their investment is in Indonesia.

But according to BNM..they still need to register. It is under Malaysian Financial System law and regulation, especially when they involved with investor in Malaysia&collect the fund from here.

One more thing, based on the rules.. the investor in any of the investment can't be fund manager in the same time. Because it will create conflict of interest.

I suspect, this OTM is not company..but it is from individual entity..
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post Sep 30 2019, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(lee.dav @ Sep 18 2019, 06:09 AM)
Hi guys

We want our money back!!

Can we form a group to make police report in bukit aman, bank negara & medical association against otm & doc thong & other leaders. Take them to jail & suspend or โ€œbuangโ€ dr thong medical license.
Shame on him to be medical doctor that cheated our money :furious:
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Yes . agree with you , let the doctor , leaders and the so called famous j lose everything . Haha ! but now see like shelly is the new girl that famous J now seems quite maybe got nothing left after got ditched by the so called doctor . Nice drama ahead i am waiting to see ...
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post Oct 3 2019, 11:20 AM

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Due to ur request ask everyone group and report police I did seek advise from my friend police in commercial department

Police said these kind of cases very hard actually catch and jail people one.. letโ€™s say they cheat .. how they cheat when they cheat what ur meaning by cheat ?

Me and my partner units also sometimes can sell, sometimes cant get sell

Itโ€™s not like totally this company disappear or what .. if we instead wanna make report of course he can do report paperwork but at the end ? Police go ask ur agent go court case we have to go court too .. then u think the judge will judge ur agent what case ? Send him jail 10 year ? U can see many example in here .. what zhang jian ? wht moon space ? What jjptr ? What MPA ? What u fun ? What mbi ? Which u see them inside jail and hang till die ?

for me I think is an experience .. now everything talking evidence or prove .. I did read all their rules before we register .. there really have a rules that company can change their rules anytime .. I also headache for this issue me and my best friend money inside .. I most headache is because company still paying .. I cannot make report say they are cheating me also .. or fault my money .. Iโ€™m the one willing hand up the money to them ..

another case is Buang his medical license if can good la haha biggrin.gif .. but I thought medical license kena buang only for medical reasons no meh.. DT sure will say this one is outside his work one.. investment bukan under Medical Board .. impossible u work car engineer u invest this or become agent of this investment anything I make report police then u cannot have license to do car engineering anymore itโ€™s not logic and doesnโ€™t make sense ..

BUT.... don't worry.. I got a plan hehe.. everyone PM me, we start one group and take things further!! biggrin.gif smile.gif
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post Oct 3 2019, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(dazesa @ Oct 3 2019, 11:20 AM)
Due to ur request ask everyone group and report police I did seek advise from my friend police in commercial department

Police said these kind of cases very hard actually catch and jail people one.. letโ€™s say they cheat .. how they cheat when they cheat what ur meaning by cheat ?

Me and my partner units also sometimes can sell, sometimes cant get sell

Itโ€™s not like totally this company disappear or what .. if we instead wanna make report of course he can do report paperwork but at the end ? Police go ask ur agent go court case we have to go court too .. then u think the judge will judge ur agent what case ? Send him jail 10 year ? U can see many example in here .. what zhang jian ? wht moon space ? What jjptr ? What MPA ? What u fun ? What mbi ? Which u see them inside jail and hang till die ?

for me I think is an experience .. now everything talking evidence or prove .. I did read all their rules before we register .. there really have a rules that company can change their rules anytime .. I also headache for this issue me and my best friend money inside .. I most headache is because company still paying .. I cannot make report say they are cheating me also .. or fault my money .. Iโ€™m the one willing hand up the money to them ..

another case is Buang his medical license if can good la haha  biggrin.gif .. but I thought medical license kena buang only for medical reasons no meh.. DT sure will say this one is outside his work one.. investment bukan under Medical Board .. impossible u work car engineer u invest this or become agent of this investment anything I make report police then u cannot have license to do car engineering anymore itโ€™s not logic and doesnโ€™t make sense ..

BUT.... don't worry.. I got a plan hehe.. everyone PM me, we start one group and take things further!!  biggrin.gif  smile.gif
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Wow! Seems that you indeed had many experiences in money game schemes notworthy.gif

You and Dr. Thong should be close friends? What he will say you already can guess rclxms.gif

Why not share your plan with everyone here instead of hiding behind the keyboard? I think most of the people here are willing to hear what you have in mind.

Or you want us to believe in some other lies your upline "Ahem...Thong" have to say?

Don't take my word too seriously, just saying biggrin.gif smile.gif
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post Oct 4 2019, 11:44 AM

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before i join, i already knew it's kind of scam. But because of a good friend, and i trust him tis is not scam.
i put in U$15k in March 2018 to this "Dr. Thong".
Guess what, just few month interest received.
All the money stuck in OTM trust.
now the contract mature, suppose to get back my 15k, also stuck in OTM trust.
And this Dr. Thong still enjoying outside.
big lesson learn.

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