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 Kawasaki Z900 1-month review, & views after being a 9-month old biker

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post Dec 15 2017, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(TheOnly @ Dec 14 2017, 05:53 PM)
My riding experience; my first ever ride was a er6-n, by Metro driving school. Cumulatively, I sat on that bike for less then an hour before taking & aceing my JPJ lesen B.

2nd bike was the z900!
Boy oh boy, this bike to me is the perfect beginner bike, this will be the bike that i will recommend brand new riders who never had experience with ANY BIKES WHATSOEVER - those that is dabbing their toes into superbikes entree level bikes, very tame bike.
QUOTE(TheOnly @ Dec 14 2017, 05:53 PM)
Wind/aerodynamics nature - well, with the SE extended windshield, the biggest trouble of wind resistance is only felt on my helmet. The wind resistance on my body/hands are acceptable even at 220km/h, this might be personal - but i will rate the wind/aero design as "just right" for all parts apart from the head. The wind pressure on my helmet is just downright uncomfortable, it's as if someone is pushing my helmet with all their strength towards the back, i am forced to involuntarily have a silly big grin on my mouth as the cheekpads push back on my face - exposing my teeth and making a "why so serious" face.
Congratulations on your purchase! But don't let the tame power fool you. When it gets past 6-7k, you will feel plentiful.
And for a second bike you rode on, going at 220 km/h :salute: Do ride safe bro...

QUOTE(TheOnly @ Dec 14 2017, 05:53 PM)
1. Sidemirrors, what the shit man bangwall.gif .... do i need to explain further?
2. Lights, come on... halogen bulbs... using reflector panels... and this is year 2017... man that's just unnecessary waste of voltage, loss of brightness, and the cutoff for the lights are so weak, i'm not surprised if cars don't notice my lights shining into their cabin when i'm at their blindspots...
3. No traction control, biggest problem. I never had the need for this yet - but it's unnerving knowing this bike doesn't have this safety feature.
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If these are included, I believe the price would be much higher than RM52k... and when you're in the blindspot of a vehicle, any amount of light (given the light is in the blindspot too) wouldn't be seen by the driver, right? sweat.gif

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post Dec 15 2017, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Dec 15 2017, 02:16 PM)
enjoy ur ride bro  thumbsup.gif

how are you notified about the recall?

dealer inform u or kawa msia?

cos i think ivnot come across local biking media publish anything regarding this...

kawa did put up notice on its website, but who is gona check kawa website ?  http://www.kawasaki.com.my/index.php?cat=707&page=1783

also nothing? on their fb page regarding this.
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For me, I got the notice from official Z900 group.
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post Dec 15 2017, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Dec 15 2017, 03:28 PM)
official z900 group created n moderated by kawa msia?

one good way to control the news regarding their product.. since

only z900 owners allowed into the group?

any problems etc, prospects owners also hard to find out..  biggrin.gif
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Nope. Not moderated by Kawa. This is the FB (I think it's public): https://www.facebook.com/groups/18507289516...h/?query=recall
And there is a Whats App group, only for owners.
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post Sep 5 2018, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(testkindtest @ Sep 5 2018, 09:37 AM)
Sorry for bumping this thread, i want to share my experience owning a z900. My previous bike was blade 250->z800->street triple 675->z900 ... Imo z900 is far off to be a beginner bike, yes the bike feel tame and slow because the power delivery of this bike is so smooth you wont notice how fast youre going. If you compared z900 with the so called master of torque mt09, z900 still faster even though it doesnt feel like it,  that alone tells you how fast z900 actually is.

So since i have own couple of bikes before this, i can tell you that z900 is the best bike i have ever own currently.

-The engine is so refined and smooth it gives you alot of confidence on riding.

-The gearbox is smooth and comparable to street triple

-The brakes on this bike is ok but not great, i did activate the abs couple of time.

-The handling of this bike is the gem, it handles so easily and confidence inspiring, taking corner felt effortless and easy, i did upset my rear tire many times because i taking corner too fast without realising it, just because the bike asking me to push it harder and harder.

- Electronic, for me z900 dont need any electronic aid because the bike itself is refined, unlike mt09 *cough*

- Price...yeah its cheap at rm50k for brand new, but i bought mine 2nd with 3k mileage at rm39k, so yeah
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I agree that the bike feels tame... but that when it is under 4k rpm. If crack it open to 8k rpm, heart beat also rise sweat.gif
Noticed that you owned 675 previously, the Z900 has better handling? I've only rode once on the 675 (Triumph's demo bike), not enough ride time to tell the difference.
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post Sep 5 2018, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 5 2018, 10:46 AM)
I have my bike for about a month now.

When you engage to 1st gear from N,  do you get a strong clunk?

I was on vs650 before this.  The clunk wasn't that strong.
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Yep... no matter what oil I use, still have that clunk...
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post Sep 5 2018, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(mat_7824 @ Sep 5 2018, 12:09 PM)
okay. now already 50:50 between Z900 & MT-09 Tracer....
hehehehe...
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If you like naked bike, take Z900.
If you like touring bike, take Tracer.

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post Sep 5 2018, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(deadwolf @ Sep 5 2018, 04:53 PM)
Thanks for the informative review OP!
Given that you've ridden both the z800 and z900, how would you compare the two against each other? I've only test-ridden a z800 and the biggest issues were the weight and seat height. Loved the rest of the bike, but didn't like the huge amount of plastic on what is supposed to be a naked bike. Does the z900 resolve the seat height/weight issues?
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If I may, Z9 weighs 213 kg. Z8 weighs 231 kg.
Seat height wise, I can flat foot on Z9, but not on Z8. I'm 5' 8".

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post Sep 6 2018, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(testkindtest @ Sep 5 2018, 08:04 PM)
Yup the seat height of z900 is lower than z800, the weight even though doesnt seems alot on paper, in real world the z900 feels alot lighter because it seats lower...not to mention z900 is a refined model of z800, its a no brainer if you chooose z800 unless you got the bike for cheap price...
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I think the chassis is designed from scratch, and the engine is refined from Z1000 (2014).

QUOTE(TheOnly @ Sep 5 2018, 10:33 PM)
I bought 2 windshield for z900, one is the PUIG tall windscreen (rm650-700), and another from china (rm120) - both are exact same shape. I bought 2 because the first tall windscreen causes too much wind buffeting right below my helmet, thus causing too much windnoise. It's way quieter if i get direct clean wind with the stock low windshield, thought because of chinamade, manatau puig official windshield also same.
So any future potential windshield buyer, beware of buffeting, and if u really want to buy, just buy a chinamade 1 lah... same exact design as PUIG, just not as cantik/refined, but after awhile it'll look all the same with all the dead bugs and dirt splattered all over your tall windshield.
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I, too, experiencing the buffeting problem.
I have tried 4 windshields:
- Tall OEM meter cover - noisy and wind directed to the helmet (if not wearing ear plugs, you would go deaf earlier)
- Low OEM fly screen - most less noise but wind hitting chest hard
- Original Puig Rafale (adjustable) - less noisy, expensive, adjusting to the right position is hell shakehead.gif
- China made MRA design windscreen - less noisy, cheap, does the job but still not as quiet as low OEM fly screen

I would like to try Puig Next Generation Naked screen, but don't want to fork out RM500-700 for it. It seems like no ayam brand for this one. If anyone has this, please give a review.
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post Sep 6 2018, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Sep 6 2018, 01:28 PM)
*ehem*

nak join?

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Ehem... PM number... Picture of the windscreens please (aliexpress)...
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post Sep 6 2018, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Sep 6 2018, 04:07 PM)
for Z9MO Central whatsapp group? im already in there.... Izrin...unless its a diff group?

windscreens: (u can see installed pictures in the feedbacks)

SE lookalike

Double bubble
nyahahahhahaha..... dah bro... baru pickup last week and done 700km dah....
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Later give review on the double bubble screen...
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QUOTE(PedangGila @ Sep 14 2018, 05:52 PM)
My Vulcan S has it but I heard HD's is the loudest. It's naturally normal.
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Sometimes feel like the gearbox gonna get scratched, chipped gear or something sweat.gif
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 17 2018, 10:27 AM)
Anyone change to a slip on ezzos piap on their z900?

It is louder ?

Not keen to get full system. I use this bike everyday to office.  So  Full system is too loud for everyday use.  Painful to my ears.
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It is just a bit louder. Just a tiny bit. laugh.gif I tried once to measure the dB. Not sure if it was accurate, got 79-80 dBA (idle) with my slip on.
IINM, max noise permitted by the Dept of Environment Malaysia is 99 dBA.
If you remove the breadbox, it is a whole lot louder.

p/s: Try wearing earplugs.
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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Sep 17 2018, 12:54 PM)
Sounds nicer with the slip on ?
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Can laaa... It is nicer without the breadbox...
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post Sep 19 2018, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Sep 19 2018, 10:58 AM)
why not just re-vinyl elsewhere? how much did the stock Z900 seat cost?

i did HAS cushion too....the change that HAS cushion made is really good IMHO... definitely a better posture and more comfortable and it takes ALOT longer for my butt to start hurting. did almost 1.4k km over the Malaysia Day weekend and the seat was tolerable....

only downside is that despite them putting a layer of plastic over the cushion before laying the vinyl, i still had some minor wetness on the seat after riding in a storm for about 5-6 hours. squeezing the seat, some water will come out from the stitching....position of stitching is far back and amount of water is little that it doesnt bother me that much.

if u re-vinyl, let me know location and cost please... might consider doing it.
anyway... double bubble windscreen arrived and worked really well during the 1.4k km ride. i think i will be keeping the double bubble on the bike permanently as it worked really well and it looks better than expected. i still prefer the looks for the SE lookalike though. however, i only tested with a helmet not many people use... which is a dual sport helmet with the peak removed. an AFX FX-41. i still need to find time and place to test with my MT Helmet flipup which is a more common type of helmet people use like a full face.

comparing the standard, SE, and double bubble...

Wind blast
standard - holy mother of god! hang on for dear life!
SE - goes above the chest and slightly to the shoulder but my MT Helmet flipup feels like it is being lifted up off my head at speeds above 160kmh. never went that fast on the AFX... but at normal riding speeds, the AFX is fine.
double bubble - above chest...minimal on shoulder... works fine with my AFX dual sport helmet up to 160kmh... above that, the helmet starts being pushed back and it causes neck strain fighting the wind for prolonged periods. have to tuck in a little to be comfortable.

Wind noise
Note: i've always considered the MT Helmet to be quiet... while the AFX has always been a tornado of air and noise no matter what bike.
standard - not too bad... feels quite ok with both MT Helmet and AFX. pretty normal even when compared to my previous Z250 setup
SE - as above.. ive said the MT helmet is quiet... this windscreen makes it frigin LOUD. so its even worse in the AFX. ear plugs recommended for long rides.
double bubble - similar to SE... LOUD. ear plugs recommended. my 1.4k km ride was with the AFX and some RM2.50 3M ear plugs from hardware store. this combo worked really well.
on to da pix

standard vs SE lookalike vs double bubble
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double bubble from the side
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double bubble from rider's view
Notes:
1/ the bracket in the pic is the bracket that came with the SE lookalike. both uses the same bracket layout/design. however, the double bubble bracket is not full of holes. bracket installation can also be a little fiddly to match up the holes to the coverset
2/ I also added a foam layer over the center bridge to avoid the bracket scratching or cracking the windscreen
3/ I also added a foam spacer to the upper screws between bracket and windscreen to give it a little more clearance for the center bridge.
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side by side comparison between SE and double bubble.
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next up... need to get me a tail tidy, LED signals n nicer side mirrors... but im in a dilemma as to which side mirror would look nice and still be functional

may go for the EMS tail tidy.
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Nice. If you found ems online, lemme know.
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QUOTE(redjol @ Sep 20 2018, 03:45 PM)
I think better stick to mt07.. using z900 for daily commuter will cost you a bomb..
Is the vibe in mt07 really that much? Im thinking to upgrade to mt07 as well.
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Cost a bomb in terms of fuel or monthly payment (compared to MT-07)?
If other parts, almost the same as MT-07, 180 rear tyre, 525 chain and sprockets, etc.

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QUOTE(TheOnly @ Sep 22 2018, 04:47 PM)
Giving credit where it's due, HAS Cushion has did a tremendous job, i was not saying it's not good - infact his cushioning is a big upgrade from stock seat. Stock seat is just trash.

I will only re-vinyl after i ship in some high quality marine-grade vinyl, probally will give HAS cusion to do it and will tip him an extra 200 or 300bucks for using my materials - but i feel it's too much hassle so i just called my Kawa SA to bring in a tall seat for me lol

Since nobody has a review of tall seat; here is mine!

1. Comfort-wise: It is leaps and bounds better then the z900 stock seat, the cushioning/foam is just of higher quality, it's stiff, substantial support yet at the same time does not cause pressure points. It's the perfect balance of softness & stiffness. Extremely happy with the tall seat.

2. Ergonomics: As a 175cm male, i needed that extra 20mm or so of leg space, and the tall seat perfectly fits my needs - I always felt cramped after switched the z900 rearsets (but no regret for rearset, stock pegs keep on scrapping the floor - scary). I feel higher on the bike, the whole seat is rather "flat" so you won't feel pushed forward.

3. Waterproof: It surprised me that the tall seat option for z900 actually have a plastic wrap below their vinyl. So the vinyl itself is rather "water-resistant" only, it still will trap some moisture at the seams, but no problem at all if you park your bike outside under heavy rain as the seams of the seat is not where you'll be sitting. The tall seat cover can still be easily "dried" with a wipe of a hand - but comparing to stock seat water-proof'ness, it still lose. Nothing is as waterproof as stock z900 seat. But i believe this is a trade-off between breathable and comfort, same as how you wouldn't feel comfortable wearing a plastic bag rain cloth over a gore-tax right? (ie. gore-tax waterproof, but not as high as plastic bag - but the tradeoff is even air/wind is trapped under the layer)

4. Build Quality: Just perfect, no complaints for something so cheap (<1k), Kawasaki stitching looks very secure, faux carbon fibre vinyl feels nice to the touch - well just look at the picture below:

HAS Cushion - undeniably great workmanship, just lacks proper/higher grade materials/tools:
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Z900 Tall seat option - even better in terms of foam used, vinyl used, and ergonomics are all correct now, i can actually sit on the whole seat:
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HAS Cushion side profile:
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Z900 Tall Seat side profile:
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A 175cm human with z900 rearset, tall seat, leg angle:
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All in all, the z900 tall seat option is really an "upgrade" for those that can afford to sit 20mm higher, ie-shorter riders might have to tip-toe as the ride height is now just slightly lower then a s1000rr.
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Just to elaborate on "costing a bomb", because to me this is cheap as compared to driving cars around, and these are not even "performance" car which has super tight tolerances & bespoke servicing service etc "amg//M etc. No a damn golf gti is not a peformance car".

But generally this is my standard cost for those wondering what it costs to naik "big bike":
1. fuel - rm 30-36bucks for 200-250km (ron97)
2. bike service - 4 bottle of engine oil + 1 kawa air filter every 4000km (the price you all own self gauge using your prefered brand la)
3. "major" service at 30k and other big milestones? --> such as spark plug, air filter, valve clearence and etc etc are around 1-2k depending on what, rather comparable to a >2litre car servicing.
4. Tayar - last around 10k KM each, average say rm 1k to change front+back - usually i just change both even if front still got thread left, as i like to have 2 tyres age at the same time.
5. Chain & sproket - around 500-600, every 25-30k if you maintain your chain well.
6. Brake pads/rotors - rather irrelevant, they take too long to finish, unless you racing ka?
7. Chain lube + cleaner - around rm100 for both cleaner and lube, lasts 2month for me, every few days i clean and lube.
8. Roadtax+insurance - around 1k-1.5k depending on your insurance - yearly, so plus minus yourself here & there, but rm350 for roadtax is cannot escape.

The above is basically everything i ever need to pay to keep my bike in a running condition, excluding buying accessories lah which will cost half your bike price with them leathers, accessories, tools etc whistling.gif
And for those that using loan to buy bike, just add your repayments + all the above, and you will know the cost of owning, and actually using it instead of putting it inside the house saying "weekend bike weekend bike", when infact no money change tayar but still boleh pergi KKIC at weekend ngan tayar botak doh.gif
Been using liquimoly since i bought the bike, so i don't even know it's good or not, whatever is the highest grade rating available in store- never bothered to actually remember the number.
But so far - no problem at all, i guess that's a good sign?
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How much is the Kawa tall seat? Have to TT la nnt to try it out. Can ah? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(TheOnly @ Sep 22 2018, 11:30 PM)
Just checked my phone photos, it's 10w-50 fully synt. So far really smooth and no noticeable engine/shifting problem, gear slides in solidly using clutch or clutchless upshift as long as you don't mess up.

But i really think engine oil is another personal preference item la, i don't believe any reputable brand-name oil is BAD - like that they can go out of business already, maybe just a placebo effect.
i believe it's in the rm600-700 range, i can't remember only seat price as i paid via m2u with tips for my SA who arranged the delivery within 1 day.

Unfortunately i tak boleh keluar malam malam  cry.gif  cry.gif  Family already curse like mad for buying motorbike
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TT in the evening la then nnt. Are you in the official group yet?
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QUOTE(abz @ Sep 24 2018, 02:40 PM)
The recall is for installing that black bracket?

Just wanna make sure because I just purchased a used z900 and the previous owner does not know whether the bike has been installed with it or not.
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Yes, it is to strengthen the chassis mounting points for the suspension. If there is nothing there, try going to Kawa official SC. Or better yet, Kawa in Glenmarie.
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A short ride to PD and Melaka...


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QUOTE(DeFaeco @ Oct 2 2018, 08:54 AM)
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What's the fuel range you're getting per tank on the Z9?
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If commute to work with sensible speed (highway), 220-240 km.
If commute to work with not so sensible speed (highway), 200-210 km.
If commute to work though the city, 180-200 km.

Averaging 17.1 km/L

http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/kawasaki/...yphereza/614275

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