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post Jun 10 2018, 08:00 AM

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Will passenger receive message/notification if we reported them for some reason? As we know driver will get no message/notification when passenger report us.
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post Jul 7 2018, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(CarrotMilk7517 @ Jul 7 2018, 06:10 PM)
 
After report to CS my rating is drop. hmm.gif
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Countless times I have encountered this too, my conclusion is, if the one admin reading your report doesn't like what you wrote, or feel like you're wasting their time, you will get instant -0.01 stars. Only report serious issues next time.
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post Jul 8 2018, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Jul 8 2018, 02:32 AM)
I finally experienced what yhtan experienced. Pretty sure when I accepted the ping it was RM33, but when drop off it was RM32.
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My experience was worse, once my driver app showing RM6 receipt but the rider app showing only RM5, kinda awkward the rider thought I asked for RM1 extra. Luckily such bug only happened once.
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post Jul 23 2018, 05:56 PM

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Anyone know why suddenly this status pop into my driver app? What status is that? Using android.

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post Aug 16 2018, 01:39 PM

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Why sometimes driver app will send us reminder like "don't follow car in front too close, remember the 3 seconds rule" etc?

Is it riders report us in case of emergency brake etc and we will get the relevant reminder?
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post Aug 18 2018, 02:42 PM

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Guys what is your experience using AA in term of job allocation priority as advertised? From my experience while chit chat with other drivers, those without AA can get job faster than you even you had on AA, therefore job allocation priority is non existent. Especially if you are new drivers with 25% commission, you are in fact in lowest job allocation priority while AA, and get assigned with all the crap jobs which others skipped. IMO, it is a trap to get drivers to accept crappy jobs that others passed.

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post Aug 18 2018, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(cw80 @ Aug 18 2018, 06:11 PM)
AA=job priority, nearest
non AA= job AA driver cancelled
crap love 25% driver, usually get jerung, crap earn more...
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A job will go to nearest driver first regardless of he is AA or not (let's say a bunch of drivers crowded within radius of 10m from PUP, chit chatting and not inside their cars, from there I learn the job allocation pattern), that's why job priority is falsely advertised from what I observed.
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If job allocation priority works as advertised, it should be something like, 5 AA drivers and 5 non AA drivers camping within 10m radius from PUP (a hot PUP), those 5 AA drivers will get the job before the 5 non AA drivers do.

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post Aug 21 2018, 04:47 PM

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Anyone encountered job notification sound but nothing after that? No job card, no cancellation, nothing in history etc, and another driver got the job immediately. Was it caused by unstable network or something else? Happened multiple times to me and other drivers I met.

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post Aug 21 2018, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(Grabcoolie @ Aug 21 2018, 04:52 PM)
Your ping got stolen. Sorry to you sad.gif
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How? Stolen with modded app?

QUOTE(JohnL77 @ Aug 21 2018, 05:11 PM)
Happened a few times to me before AA was introduced.

Now even with AA also same thing happened that day. Ping masuk but then suddenly got message said job cancelled. Then check history don't have that job.
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It is normal with job cancelled message but without history log. The rider press book and quickly press cancel that's why.

What me and other drivers in my city encountered was job ping sound but nothing else after that, but immediately later the job went to another driver. It only happened since few updates ago and I suspect it was grab's job priority algorithm. It sucks to have job skipped in my small city where demand is so low, majority of drivers here only get 1-2 pings per hour and most of them are RM4 jobs.
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post Aug 22 2018, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(lznce2679 @ Aug 22 2018, 02:18 PM)
Grab:We noticed you are not using the latest version of our driver app. As such, you will not be receiving any jobs from us. To restore your services, download and use the latest driver app from the Google Play Store/Apple App Store https://www.grab.com/sg/blog/driver/blocklogin/

im on android & grab app v5.46.0
what is da latest app versyen?
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Got that sms for the first time too but my playstore is only showing 5.45.2.

Latest version is 5.46.1 from Google search, anyone know how to make our playstore to show latest version?
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post Oct 29 2018, 06:32 AM

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QUOTE(moosekaka @ Nov 12 2017, 11:13 PM)
finally the far far pickup issue glitch now highlighted to grab management!
from fb:

Episode 60: Critical issue regarding pickup more than 3km++

Salam 128k,

Firstly, aku dah minta izin rider  utk upload video ni,

Keduanya, nak inform kepada semua driver, agar berhati2 dengan glitch terbaru dan terlatest dari Grab ni, probably you guys dah alami sendiri pickup point yg lebih dari 3km++

So ramai yang dah kena glitch ni, yang tak bernasib baik, kena ban sbb cancellation yang tinggi dari rider + driver. Please OFFLINE jika tak sanggup pickup jauh2 dan please jangan call rider ask to cancel. Its useless to explain to rider ETA sebenar since ETA di app rider berlainan (refer post 59).

Kepada driver yg terkena glitch ni, harap dpt atleast upload booking ID, screenshoot waze etc. Reports atau feedback tanpa booking ID umpama mencurah air ke daun keladi, sbb technical team tak dpt check which trip yg problem utk cari root cause.

Glitch ni dikesan seawal minggu lepas. Namun GDMA hanya dpt feedback pada team management hari ini. RIP pada driver2 terkena kesan glitch ni dan diban pada mggu lepas.

Kepada fraud team Grab, if you read this, please have human consideration till this problem solve by technical team Grab.

Minta tolong pada semua driver, up post ni, jangan biarkan tenggelam dgn post2 biasa sebelum technical team solvekan glitch ni, jangan biarkan glitch ni berlarutan seperti glitch B2B yg dah masuk bulan kedua.

Aku yakin GRAB bukan sengaja, sebab glitch ni dan glitch B2B bukan menguntungkan mereka sebaliknya kerugian tinggi. Driver dan rider juga sama2 menanggung kerugian masa, energy dan minyak akibat glitch ni.

So kepada yg masih blur2 ingat aku keje ngan Grab, lol... Aku pun driver mcm hangpa gak...Issue ini sgt critical, GRAB boleh bungkus kalau diorang pandang enteng glitch ni.... Glitch b2b kita boleh slide off lagi... Glitch yg ini mmg x boleh nak lari oiiii.... Matilanak...
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Currently my city is having this far pick up glitch too for more than a week. Anyone know where should I report to get this problem fixed? Support operators are clueless and blame on our GPS system.
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post Nov 27 2018, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(moosekaka @ Nov 12 2017, 11:13 PM)
finally the far far pickup issue glitch now highlighted to grab management!
from fb:

Episode 60: Critical issue regarding pickup more than 3km++

Salam 128k,

Firstly, aku dah minta izin rider  utk upload video ni,

Keduanya, nak inform kepada semua driver, agar berhati2 dengan glitch terbaru dan terlatest dari Grab ni, probably you guys dah alami sendiri pickup point yg lebih dari 3km++

So ramai yang dah kena glitch ni, yang tak bernasib baik, kena ban sbb cancellation yang tinggi dari rider + driver. Please OFFLINE jika tak sanggup pickup jauh2 dan please jangan call rider ask to cancel. Its useless to explain to rider ETA sebenar since ETA di app rider berlainan (refer post 59).

Kepada driver yg terkena glitch ni, harap dpt atleast upload booking ID, screenshoot waze etc. Reports atau feedback tanpa booking ID umpama mencurah air ke daun keladi, sbb technical team tak dpt check which trip yg problem utk cari root cause.

Glitch ni dikesan seawal minggu lepas. Namun GDMA hanya dpt feedback pada team management hari ini. RIP pada driver2 terkena kesan glitch ni dan diban pada mggu lepas.

Kepada fraud team Grab, if you read this, please have human consideration till this problem solve by technical team Grab.

Minta tolong pada semua driver, up post ni, jangan biarkan tenggelam dgn post2 biasa sebelum technical team solvekan glitch ni, jangan biarkan glitch ni berlarutan seperti glitch B2B yg dah masuk bulan kedua.

Aku yakin GRAB bukan sengaja, sebab glitch ni dan glitch B2B bukan menguntungkan mereka sebaliknya kerugian tinggi. Driver dan rider juga sama2 menanggung kerugian masa, energy dan minyak akibat glitch ni.

So kepada yg masih blur2 ingat aku keje ngan Grab, lol... Aku pun driver mcm hangpa gak...Issue ini sgt critical, GRAB boleh bungkus kalau diorang pandang enteng glitch ni.... Glitch b2b kita boleh slide off lagi... Glitch yg ini mmg x boleh nak lari oiiii.... Matilanak...
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Any city in Malaysia facing far pick up "glitch" currently? Actually it is not a glitch, it was an algorithm designed to counter fake bookings (those who cheat incentives/promo code). It happened last year in some cities and "resolved" within weeks, but currently Grab is running this algorithm cruelly to one of the city in Malaysia, which is Sibu.

Sibu is currently one of the worst city to drive Grab in, one of the lowest income/salary city in Malaysia, packed with Grab drivers everywhere and lack of demand. It is normal to get 0 to 1 RM4 job in an hour or two, average full time drivers here get below RM15 total fare per hour, with no special incentives except 10%-25% cashback with 90-150 trips completed in a week, which is awfully diffucult. Most of the full time drivers here bring back RM2000+- clean profit with long driving hours, at least 12 hours+ per day, many are driving 14-16 hours per day to make RM2000-RM3000+ clean profit per month. Drivers who drive 8-10 hours are only expected to make below RM1500.

And yet, Grab slammed us with this far pick up "glitch" since 2 months ago, to further fuck us up. Sibu is a small city, with lots of cars and traffic light, it creates insanely unpleasant experience to both drivers and riders when Grab assign a job stubbornly to a driver 4-5km away, which is 50th~100th nearest drivers available. Riders can always see those Grab cars with stickers on parking in front of them while drivers waiting for jobs, but Grab decided to assign the job to some driver far away. Everyday there are riders who asked us why Grab are purposely assigning drivers from far away and we are speechless on how to answer them.

Countless complaints had been made by drivers/riders regarding the situation, but Grab blatantly replied all of us with, "there is no similar issue reported by other drivers/riders, it is only you and your gps problem for getting far pick up jobs" or "because nearer drivers didn't accept the jobs" which are all false claims. We had grab drivers from Sibu traveled to Grab HQ in West Malaysia to resolve this issue but to no avail.

To improve current situation, I would propose:
- Assigning jobs to nearer drivers, if Grab doesn't want to assign a job to the 1st nearest driver, assign it to someone who is 5th~10th nearest (currently it is like 20th~50th nearest drivers most of the time, and sometimes 50th~100th nearest drivers, imagine the nightmare), OR
- Lesser incentives, revert back to assigning job to 1st nearest driver, OR
- Smaller job allocation radius, it is 5km currently, but sibu is so small that even 3km radius would be sufficient. Even 1 km pick up distance in city centre is a hell lot of work with the need of passing thru several traffic lights. Ideal radius would be 1 km in city centre, 3 km radius outside of city centre, and 5 km radius to the outskirt.

Those who are able to tag GDMA regarding this issue in Sibu Sarawak, please do so, and thank you very much.

Those who are still making a living in your city, be grateful because you will never be the worst.

And thank you for those who spent your time reading this.

Thanks.

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post Nov 28 2018, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Nov 28 2018, 09:54 PM)
Just a thought...
Time booster bonus covers pickup time. Far pickup may not be a bad thing.

If the system always assigns a job to the nearest driver, it would be hard to get a job in low demand areas.

Ideally, I want the system to scan for the 5 nearest drivers, then assign a job to the one who has been idle for longest period.
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It was second week into time booster thing in Sibu and I felt it was very inaccurate and probably got the traffic source from Waze. Very few people use Waze in Sibu and even somewhere with very heavy traffic, we don't get time booster thing too. Google map however provide more accurate traffic condition, but from my experience Grab doesn't use Google map for time booster thing.

Far pickup is the worst thing ever happen in Sibu, you won't imagine how much hassle it created, unless you travelled to Sibu and used Grab. We had so much more cancellations since 2 months ago, and several drivers has been suspended for cancelling/being cancelled too much far pickup jobs. For me, my income directly dropped around 20%.

With current algorithm, grab always assign job to drivers far away. What happen when grab auto accepted a RM4 job from an ulu place to an ulu place for you? You have to take it, finish the job and go somewhere populated in an empty car. Because you will not get a nearby job anymore in such ulu place, in case there is a job ( around 1-2 job in an hour within 5km radius ) grab will assign it to another driver far away again. Yes, this is both time and fuel consuming, lose-lose-lose situation for driver, rider and grab as they have to pay extra rm1+ bonus for far pick up jobs.

And grab give no shit about riders too, today an everyday grab rider (probably platinum) told me he emailed grab before regarding this far pickup problem, and grab lied the rider that it was the drivers who used fake gps to get a job from far away, lol wtf. It was their algorithm in the first place, and none of our drivers in Sibu used fake gps afaik, we don't teleport our gps to queue for airport jobs etc.

Your solution works, i like your solution, I wish grab would listen to the suggestions. I only wish someone could raise it to Grab's higher management, it has been 2 months for such poor job allocations in Sibu.

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post Dec 3 2018, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 3 2018, 06:44 AM)
According to one of our friends in Miri, Grab uses Waze estimation.
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I can confirm, from Sibu. Now I don't drive during peak hour anymore, fare is crap because very few people use Waze here and traffic condition is not uploaded/calculated into fare. Google map traffic condition is much more accurate and time booster should rely on it.

Now with time booster I don't layan far pick up anymore too, fare is crap and you don't even get RM1/km anymore. With so much far pick up in Sibu, previous far pickup bonus shouldn't be abolished, both should be taken into consideration and priced at whichever higher.

One more unreasonable thing is cancellation compensation for no show, you should get compensation too if passenger cancelled after you arrived, after 5 minutes from booking, and before 5 minutes after you arrived. Now if you arrived and got cancelled you get nothing, even it was 5 minutes from booking time. This is not logic at all and Grab should fix it in a day, but it has been weeks. The decision maker there have really low common sense.

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post Dec 5 2018, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(cktang @ Dec 5 2018, 08:53 PM)
The estimation system for time booster seems like quite pariah, sometimes super near easy 5mins trip get rm5 + 4.30. Sometimes far pup, super jam 30mins trip get rm5 + 1.30.??? rclxub.gif Both same inside MP block.
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As first batch of time booster drivers since 2-3 weeks ago, I already told grab do not use Waze for time estimation, they should use Google map if want to implement time booster mechanism, but seems too difficult for their programmers.

Waze = To get the traffic condition, someone drove by have to be using Waze to upload the traffic condition. The km/h shown is very inaccurate and fade out very quick if no more Waze user drove by that road.

Google map = Anyone with mobile data on, using Android, traffic condition will get uploaded with/without using Google map. That's why traffic condition updated on Google map is much more stable and accurate.

I estimate Android users with mobile data on vs Waze users on the road ratio to be at least 20:1.
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post Dec 5 2018, 10:26 PM

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If Grab's mission is to get passengers request fulfilled asap, then time booster traffic source should be changed from Waze to Google map. Or I can guarantee this time booster thing is bound to fail, it wouldn't even last longer than the far pickup bonus. At least far pickup bonus is very accurate from my experience.
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post Dec 6 2018, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 6 2018, 06:48 AM)
What if an Android user is walking along the street? Will Google Maps thinks it is standstill traffic laugh.gif
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From my observation, both Waze and Google map will learn your moving pattern whether you're driving or walking, or riding a bike. Only those driving a car will have their traffic info uploaded.
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post Dec 21 2018, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(priaye @ Dec 21 2018, 09:34 AM)
Happen to me also. Upon arrival, then get message "99"
Being new to the area, I did not know where is the 99.
So I waited at the PU location. Just thinking wanted to find the 99. I received another message, where are you, come quick, running of time.
Seeing that 2nd message, decided to stay put and then cancel.
If I go and find rider, surely will get low rating. These kind of riders, it's their fault for wrong PU point and will penalize us for arriving late, and rate us low. Padan muka. Find another Grab .

Last time used to find the location, but then riders are no where to seen. Cancel kena CR drop unless go back to the exact location. Waste time and waste CR. Now work smart. Not there, wait 5 mins, then cancel.
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Ikr, there are so many stupid riders like that, they can see our car location in the app but don't bother to find us. Our driver app should be able to see rider's live gps location too to find them easier. Anyone suggested it to grab before?
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post Dec 21 2018, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(d-realm @ Dec 21 2018, 09:36 PM)
Nearest driver yes, with AA or not related.

Yesterday at Usj 1 petronas, me with another driver there chitchat, i on AA he off AA.

1st job, he got 1st .. n ignored RM5
2nd job, also he got 1st RM8, also ignore n come to me.

Today 4pm, after lim teh with klang grab fren we online together at puchong.

I off AA, he on AA.

3 jobs come to me 1st, 3 i also ignored n none of them go him.

Conclusion AA or not important.
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I second this, I mentioned long time ago AA doesn't give you job priority as advertised, it is just fooling new drivers to accept bad/skipped job. I myself also experienced too much when group of drivers together and AA doesn't matter at all.
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post Dec 21 2018, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(birdman8 @ Dec 21 2018, 03:37 PM)
“We constantly try to ensure that drivers are at the right places at the right hours, so that they can earn more. The commision taken is still 20% to 25% and we will keep it that way for now,” he said.

One of the concerns that Grab has today is the concept of drivers cherry-picking their rides.

Goh said some drivers tend to see some rides as more beneficial to others and will not accept bookings.

“For these drivers, we take a 25% commission to deter them from cherry-picking. It affects the whole system when drivers choose their rides because passengers end up waiting longer and drivers would have to go further distances to pick them up.
1. 20-25% commission is way too high and not logical, if without incentives. It would be more logical at 5-10% commission to be taken, with less incentives maybe.

2. Sean Goh, your crappy time booster bonus is what made cherry picking worsen. Do you even analyses after each trip end whether you underpaid your driver during peak hour? I see no improvement in time booster bonus since it was implemented despite reports filed. Why don't you use the largest traffic source, which is Google map for your TBB if you strive the best?

3. What made distance go further when driver reject a job? Your fucking 30 seconds locker is. This is the most FUCKING stupid thing ever introduced. You may lock drivers if you had too much spare drivers, but if you lock drivers during peak hour, and there is a job nearby how do you assign it to him? Pass it to another driver 5km away? That's fucking backfired. Stupid locker should get lost, you may rise weekly minimum acceptance rate from 30% to 50% or even 85%, to more effectively reduce cherry picking. Both auto accept and locker were made to force drivers to accept jobs, even the crappy one. You should not force drivers in this way, you should improve your job assignment with the right pricing to the nearest available driver. You should keep improving but not expect your office job to be done by forcing drivers to accept jobs. There is a reason for every cancelled job, why don't you made an option for drivers to enter feedback for cancelled jobs but only for completed jobs? You should be studying feedback from your job assignment on cancelled jobs, if drivers willing to spend their time and write their feedback.

I hope someone in grab office is reading this, thank you.

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