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TSFourClover
post Dec 10 2017, 01:53 PM, updated 8y ago

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Good day to all,

After what seemed like forever I've finally convinced TM to have their cables laid and I'll get fibre soon smile.gif

As per title above, I'm looking to cover 5000 sqft worth of usable land and one router's definitely not going to cut it. I've searched a few solutions online and I'm getting results that direct me to Google WiFi, Orbi, AmpliFi, Eero, and Linksys but I'm not sure if they're compatible with UniFi or if they're compatible in Malaysia at all much less the technical jargon that distances their form of transmission whether they're repeaters/extenders/separate nodes.

I'm hoping that there's someone who's had experience in dealing with this since looking up mesh WiFi in N&B section didn't turn up results on the information I'm seeking.

Cheers!


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post Dec 10 2017, 02:03 PM

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post your floor plan here
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post Dec 10 2017, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(FourClover @ Dec 10 2017, 01:53 PM)
Good day to all,

After what seemed like forever I've finally convinced TM to have their cables laid and I'll get fibre soon smile.gif

As per title above, I'm looking to cover 5000 sqft worth of usable land and one router's definitely not going to cut it. I've searched a few solutions online and I'm getting results that direct me to Google WiFi, Orbi, AmpliFi, Eero, and Linksys but I'm not sure if they're compatible with UniFi or if they're compatible in Malaysia at all much less the technical jargon that distances their form of transmission whether they're repeaters/extenders/separate nodes.

I'm hoping that there's someone who's had experience in dealing with this since looking up mesh WiFi in N&B section didn't turn up results on the information I'm seeking.

Cheers!
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Mesh WiFi in Malaysia is still at its infancy and it depends on your floor plan, as the mesh WiFi depends on your wireless backhaul. I can say however, that if you want to use mesh WiFi, you will have to find a way for vLAN tagging, as most of the mesh WiFi systems does not support that, which is required for Unifi. Paging bro blacktubi for further clarification. You can see bro backtubi’s website here for reviews on different routers that may suit your purpose better: https://www.blacktubi.com
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post Dec 10 2017, 02:25 PM

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I would recommend 2 Asus routers since all new Asus routers can do mesh networking and they perform much better.

If you need seamless Unifi compatibility, only Asus Lyra is compatible on a beta firmware that I am testing right now smile.gif

TP-Link Deco Unifi firmware is still WIP.
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post Dec 11 2017, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(FourClover @ Dec 10 2017, 01:53 PM)
Good day to all,

After what seemed like forever I've finally convinced TM to have their cables laid and I'll get fibre soon smile.gif

As per title above, I'm looking to cover 5000 sqft worth of usable land and one router's definitely not going to cut it. I've searched a few solutions online and I'm getting results that direct me to Google WiFi, Orbi, AmpliFi, Eero, and Linksys but I'm not sure if they're compatible with UniFi or if they're compatible in Malaysia at all much less the technical jargon that distances their form of transmission whether they're repeaters/extenders/separate nodes.

I'm hoping that there's someone who's had experience in dealing with this since looking up mesh WiFi in N&B section didn't turn up results on the information I'm seeking.

Cheers!
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I've deployed Cisco mesh before but only as a last resort when the client insisted on not pulling a cable for an extra AP.

What I can tell you is, do not concern yourself about compatibility with Unifi. The Unifi box will remain to do what it needs to, including VLAN tagging. You simply want to replace/upgrade the WIFI portion of your network. And possibly your DHCP server as well.

UNLESS you also want to be able to use HyppTV or the phone line over WiFi, that's when things get complicated.
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post Dec 11 2017, 11:57 AM

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interesting topic
TSFourClover
post Dec 29 2017, 09:36 AM

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Happy holidays and a happy new year to everyone! Many apologies on the extremely late reply, I've been searching around for my floor plan and have only recently found it after digging up some old files.

I do hope I didn't waste your efforts and good intentions.

QUOTE(SilentVampire @ Dec 10 2017, 02:14 PM)
Mesh WiFi in Malaysia is still at its infancy and it depends on your floor plan, as the mesh WiFi depends on your wireless backhaul. I can say however, that if you want to use mesh WiFi, you will have to find a way for vLAN tagging, as most of the mesh WiFi systems does not support that, which is required for Unifi. Paging bro blacktubi for further clarification. You can see bro backtubi’s website here for reviews on different routers that may suit your purpose better: https://www.blacktubi.com
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QUOTE(blacktubi @ Dec 10 2017, 02:25 PM)
I would recommend 2 Asus routers since all new Asus routers can do mesh networking and they perform much better.

If you need seamless Unifi compatibility, only Asus Lyra is compatible on a beta firmware that I am testing right now smile.gif

TP-Link Deco Unifi firmware is still WIP.
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Many thanks to SilentVampire for calling blacktubi! I've been looking at your suggestion on using Asus Lyra. Although I'll still be open to other suggestions, it is interesting for me to know that even normal routers have this capability (I'm no expert, unfortunately!). I'll look further into how this can be done since it has compatibility that I require.

QUOTE(niakulah @ Dec 11 2017, 11:54 AM)
I've deployed Cisco mesh before but only as a last resort when the client insisted on not pulling a cable for an extra AP.

What I can tell you is, do not concern yourself about compatibility with Unifi. The Unifi box will remain to do what it needs to, including VLAN tagging. You simply want to replace/upgrade the WIFI portion of your network. And possibly your DHCP server as well.

UNLESS you also want to be able to use HyppTV or the phone line over WiFi, that's when things get complicated.
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niakulah, I'm currently in focus with upgrading the coverage, but how does one upgrade their DHCP server? Is that problem mitigated or totally avoided if I intend to use the latest routers (Asus Lyra for example)? I foresee myself having issues such as these since I'm in for the Ruby pack that's being offered (on a different topic altogether)

QUOTE(fireballs @ Dec 10 2017, 02:03 PM)
post your floor plan here
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My floor plan is posted in this post as an attachment, do give me your input! I have the floor plan of my ground floor as well but I'm not sure if that's applicable since the first floor shows the rough area size.

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This post has been edited by FourClover: Dec 29 2017, 09:37 AM
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post Dec 29 2017, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(FourClover @ Dec 29 2017, 09:36 AM)
Happy holidays and a happy new year to everyone! Many apologies on the extremely late reply, I've been searching around for my floor plan and have only recently found it after digging up some old files.

I do hope I didn't waste your efforts and good intentions.
Many thanks to SilentVampire for calling blacktubi! I've been looking at your suggestion on using Asus Lyra. Although I'll still be open to other suggestions, it is interesting for me to know that even normal routers have this capability (I'm no expert, unfortunately!). I'll look further into how this can be done since it has compatibility that I require.
niakulah, I'm currently in focus with upgrading the coverage, but how does one upgrade their DHCP server? Is that problem mitigated or totally avoided if I intend to use the latest routers (Asus Lyra for example)? I foresee myself having issues such as these since I'm in for the Ruby pack that's being offered (on a different topic altogether)
My floor plan is posted in this post as an attachment, do give me your input! I have the floor plan of my ground floor as well but I'm not sure if that's applicable since the first floor shows the rough area size.

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Edit: replaced location of attachment id.
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For example, if you are having a wifi system with multiple SSIDs(Guests? Dedicated 5GHz for certain devices? Home automation network?), you may or may not want to isolate them into separate VLANs/subnets (not to be confused with TM Unifi's Data/IPTV/VOIP VLANs, these are internal network use only and the gateway of all internal VLANs/subnets will eventually go to TM's Data VLAN, or possibly not at all if you don't want those devices to have internet access).

In this scenario, using the DHCP server that comes with TM's devices will not work as they don't support multiple DHCP scopes(on the few devices I have seen from TM).

Sorry but I'm not familiar with Asus routers. My job mostly involves enterprise level equipment and so for home/consumer level equipment, I only know what I personally own.
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post Dec 29 2017, 01:10 PM

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The repeater provide only half in speed but better than nothing!
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post Dec 29 2017, 01:32 PM

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look at yr floor plan, i think one ap is more than enough to cover, why bother to add another wifi point

hehe, i juz dun like to sleep with strong wifi

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post Dec 29 2017, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(raymond82 @ Dec 29 2017, 01:32 PM)
look at yr floor plan, i think one ap is more than enough to cover, why bother to add another wifi point

hehe, i juz dun like to sleep with strong wifi
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If one has a thick wooden bedroom door, the signal penetration rate is weak! Happen to me! 5000 sq ft with two floors is quite a large area!
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post Dec 29 2017, 02:53 PM

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form the floor plan, looks like one is enough to cover indoors on first floor.
put in cat6 cable for ground floor and also outdoors.

if you are renovating now, cable is the most reliable way


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post Dec 30 2017, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Dec 29 2017, 01:37 PM)
If one has a thick wooden bedroom door, the signal  penetration  rate is weak! Happen to me! 5000 sq ft with two floors is quite a large area!
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wooden door wont decrease wifi much -6dbm
brick wall -12dbm
if fire resistant doors difference story -15dbm


i been working as network engineer for few year, mainly design wireless network for hospitality
did you see any hotel is using mesh/repeater solution....no right? sweat.gif



if you insisting wanna setup a mesh network....i'd suggest go for mikrotik,cheap and reliable





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post Dec 30 2017, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(raymond82 @ Dec 30 2017, 12:34 AM)
wooden door wont decrease wifi much -6dbm
brick wall -12dbm
if fire resistant doors difference story -15dbm
i been working as network engineer for few year, mainly design wireless network for hospitality
did you see any hotel is using mesh/repeater solution....no right? sweat.gif
if you insisting wanna setup a mesh network....i'd suggest go for mikrotik,cheap and reliable
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OIC! My router is at the ground floor and guessed it's quite a distance for,the signal to travel to the bedroom on the first floor! I am using a range extender now but that doesn't help much! Lol!
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post Dec 30 2017, 01:36 PM

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If all of you are heavy user, then just pull LAN cable from 1st to 2nd to 3rd floor.
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post Dec 30 2017, 01:36 PM

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If all of you are heavy user, then just pull LAN cable from 1st to 2nd to 3rd floor.
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post Dec 31 2017, 12:05 PM

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i would recommend you try Ruckus AP. Recently i installed a R510 to cover about 6100 sqft in my office, the coverage is very good.


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post Dec 31 2017, 08:22 PM


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TS, any chance of pulling LAN cables to each floor? If can, use a network of wired APs. It’ll be much more reliable than going fully wireless.
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post Jan 1 2018, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Lushtree @ Dec 31 2017, 12:05 PM)
i would recommend you try Ruckus AP. Recently i installed a R510 to cover about  6100 sqft in my office, the coverage is very good.
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https://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/acc...s/ruckus-indoor
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Off space should be ok coz no flooring and usually partition is of chipboard! The challenge is house with floorings and thick walls! But the AP looks good!
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post Jan 1 2018, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(Lushtree @ Dec 31 2017, 12:05 PM)
i would recommend you try Ruckus AP. Recently i installed a R510 to cover about  6100 sqft in my office, the coverage is very good.
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https://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/acc...s/ruckus-indoor
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very powerful AP, can support up to 500 connection(without auth), but really expensive drool.gif
introduce another brand, xclaim, subsidiary of ruckus, aiming entry-level enterprise market

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