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TSvanillapire
post Nov 30 2017, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Nov 30 2017, 11:38 PM)
The situation you are talking about is Malaysia right now.

However, this thread is about WeChat pay, where the smallest hawker has a QR code for buyers to scan.

So if you open your mind wider, why do you think Wechatpay works in China, but not here?
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In China, I can only imagine how do they manage the changes when thousands of people if not hundred buying stuff with them .. they might need to carry bags to the nearest banks
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post Nov 30 2017, 11:44 PM

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WeChat and Alipay in China does not command any transaction fees unless you are moving the cash into your bank account or withdrawing it. Basically most day to day transaction for customers and sellers are FOC.
If they banks here requires a transaction fee, It will die a natural death as many sellers will not be bearing the transaction fee and refusing to accept it. This makes the payment not popular to entice more people to opt for cashless payment.

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post Nov 30 2017, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(vanillapire @ Nov 30 2017, 11:42 PM)
In China, I can only imagine how do they manage the changes when thousands of people if not hundred buying stuff with them .. they might need to carry bags to the nearest banks
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What bags to the bank? This thread is about small hawkers, and cashless, and small amounts. What bags are you talking about?

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post Nov 30 2017, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(r3d2 @ Nov 30 2017, 11:44 PM)
WeChat and Alipay in China does not command any transaction fees unless you are moving the cash into your bank account or withdrawing it. Basically most day to day transaction for customers and sellers are FOC.
If they banks here requires a transaction fee, It will die a natural death as many sellers will not be bearing the transaction fee and refusing to accept it. This makes the payment not popular to entice more people to opt for cashless payment.
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Does it? Well this is something new to me to know one of their key successes. It now make sense how they keep growing by the cash they had from its users
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post Nov 30 2017, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Nov 30 2017, 11:46 PM)
What bags to the bank? This thread is about small hawkers, and cashless, and small amounts. What bags are you talking about?
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Bags as in notes received by the hawkers from their thousands of customer. Just look at the populations in China, theyight just don't have enough time to count and make changes.

That refers to your opinion in why China is a success but not here.
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post Nov 30 2017, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(r3d2 @ Nov 30 2017, 11:44 PM)
WeChat and Alipay in China does not command any transaction fees unless you are moving the cash into your bank account or withdrawing it. Basically most day to day transaction for customers and sellers are FOC.
If they banks here requires a transaction fee, It will die a natural death as many sellers will not be bearing the transaction fee and refusing to accept it. This makes the payment not popular to entice more people to opt for cashless payment.
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thats is what really can make this method booming.
its kinda like GST, its good but if the execution is bad then wheww... sweat.gif

im really looking forward to both.
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QUOTE(vanillapire @ Nov 30 2017, 11:50 PM)
Bags as in notes received by the hawkers from their thousands of customer. Just look at the populations in China, theyight just don't have enough time to count and make changes.

That refers to your opinion in why China is a success but not here.
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No, that's just an assumption. There are big hawkers and there are small hawkers. There are small hawkers with not enough sales to fill bags.

To assume all hawkers have thousands of customers is just not realistic.

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post Dec 1 2017, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(vanillapire @ Nov 30 2017, 09:46 PM)
Yay indeed .. I wanted to try it out when I visited China previously but too bad I do not have the local bank card. Well, people say cash is king so I am one because no one in China use cash for payments.. lol
The biggest cons for Samsung pay is that it only targeting few people. Not everyone is using Samsung somewhat but it is a good start for Samsung.
Entry cost for cashless payment is good got small businesses. Vcash is offering 0.8% merchant fee for every transactions made on their infrastructure. Which is good...noore bulky machine. Question here, how do people do instalment plans going forward.. hmmm
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You need cash in your bank to make it works. Haha...
So, your cash is still the cash but is in the bank. tongue.gif
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post Dec 1 2017, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(vanillapire @ Nov 30 2017, 08:51 PM)
So, news reporting that WeChat pay would soon make available in the Malaysian markets with ringgit transactions and that is going for real by 218. Their rival Alipay has also announced to launch the payment solutions in the country in the view making Malaysia as a gateway to expand to other ASEAN markets through the DFTZ.

Would you use them because of its convenience given the fact that Visa and MasterCard plastic offer some privileges like cash back, bonus to name a few.
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Yes I will use them, since I do not to carry my wallet everywhere I go, all I need is a smart phone.

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QUOTE(xiaoc.wu @ Dec 1 2017, 05:22 PM)
Yes I will use them, since I do not to carry my wallet everywhere I go, all I need is a smart phone.
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Yeah same here. It is really convenient with just the smart phone when implemented locally here in Malaysia.
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post Dec 2 2017, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Dec 1 2017, 10:08 PM)
Yeah same here. It is really convenient with just the smart phone when implemented locally here in Malaysia.
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looks like cashless era is not far biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(xiaoc.wu @ Dec 2 2017, 10:28 AM)
looks like cashless era is not far  biggrin.gif
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Oh yeah. It is already at our door step. Just waiting for the international big boys.
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post Dec 2 2017, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(r3d2 @ Nov 30 2017, 11:44 PM)
WeChat and Alipay in China does not command any transaction fees unless you are moving the cash into your bank account or withdrawing it. Basically most day to day transaction for customers and sellers are FOC.
If they banks here requires a transaction fee, It will die a natural death as many sellers will not be bearing the transaction fee and refusing to accept it. This makes the payment not popular to entice more people to opt for cashless payment.
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I heard their banks are not allow to collect transactions fees of this kind. It is actually a LAW now.
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post Dec 5 2017, 08:49 PM

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post Dec 5 2017, 09:09 PM

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People in advanced country, like japan and Germany, they prefer using cash note.
This is matter of privacy

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post Dec 5 2017, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(WillLe @ Dec 5 2017, 09:09 PM)
People in advanced country, like japan and Germany, they prefer using cash note.
This is matter of privacy
Pro and cons. You can carry cash, as they offer options, for you to pay via cash too, just that people will find more convenient using cashless.

You don't need carry a piece of plastic like credit card, cash, coins. Just an online account and smart phone.

Technology is here...just embrace the technology.

China speed up fast, leap frog in front in other countries.

Malaysia still talking about high speed rail. To built or not, China in 20 years, already built up the largest high speed rail in world combine.......

Exponential growth......enable by science and technology


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post Dec 5 2017, 09:20 PM

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Think about it, to goto foreign country, like you visit Singapore, Thailand....you need to exchange the currency, money changer, earn % of the exchange.....you have to change RM to SGD, or keep Thai Baht notes..

In cashless...you just go the country and scan/pay, what you want to buy/spend stuff or pay hotel booking, all using smart phone....the exchange rate will calculate and all minimum charge without bank/money exchanger taking a fee.

The rate also can follow market pricing up to the latest exchange rate...when u scan
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post Dec 6 2017, 08:50 AM

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Depends. If savings from Alipay are greater than perks from credit cards usage, then switch. Of course, for small transactions where credit cards not available, then use cashless.
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QUOTE(mssv19 @ Dec 5 2017, 09:20 PM)
Think about it, to goto foreign country, like you visit Singapore, Thailand....you need to exchange the currency, money changer, earn % of the exchange.....you have to change RM to SGD, or keep Thai Baht notes..

In cashless...you just go the country and scan/pay, what you want to buy/spend stuff or pay hotel booking, all using smart phone....the exchange rate will calculate and all minimum charge without bank/money exchanger taking a fee.

The rate also can follow market pricing up to the latest exchange rate...when u scan
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This is really easy, good and convenient as it really benefits us as consumers without too much of a hassle.

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