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TSxtracooljustin
post Apr 22 2007, 06:12 PM, updated 10y ago

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Well we have a BMW thread. Im opening this thread as a dedication to the 3 pointed star badge, Mercedes-Benz.

As we all know, the founder of Mercedes-Benz, Karl Benz is one of the founding fathers of the internal combustion engine. Having said that, Mercedes-Benz founding dates back to 1871. and MB has been at the forefront of many new automobile technologies. Therefore i see this thread as a fitting tribute to one of the greatest car companies in the world.

Below is a short history lesson on MB.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes_Benz

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Mercedes-Benz (sometimes shortened to just Mercedes, "Benz" or "Merc") is a German brand name of automobiles, buses, coaches, and trucks created for Daimler-Benz AG and now owned by DaimlerChrysler AG. The Daimler-Benz company originated on June 28, 1926 when two companies, Benz & Cie. and Daimler Motoren Gesellschaft (DMG), the inventors of the automobile, merged. Karl Benz is credited as the inventor of the first 'true' automobile (patented in 1886) since Daimler's was a horse carriage with an engine, whereas Benz' had a chassis designed from scratch.

Established in 1871, Benz & Cie. was the most important of several companies founded by Karl Benz. DMG was founded by Gottlieb Daimler and his partner Wilhelm Maybach in 1890, but Daimler died in 1900 and Maybach left DMG in 1907, by which time the two companies were rivals. In 1924, owing to economic necessity after World War One, they entered into an "Agreement of Mutual Interest" (valid until the year 2000), however, this initial agreement still allowed each company to manufacture and sell their products under their original brand names. It was only after the 1926 official merger, that the brand Mercedes-Benz was created and used.

Mercedes-Benz is the brand name applied to the models of one of the premier automotive manufacturers in the world and, because of its tie to Karl Benz, it is also the name of the world's oldest continuously produced automobile line. In 1926 when the new company, Daimler-Benz was established through merger, a new logo also was created that would include a symbol for each and integrate the names of the two former companies. A three-pointed star had been designed by Gottlieb Daimler, to show the ability of his motors for land, air, and sea use. This star first appeared on a DMG model in 1909, so it was chosen for the new logo. However the brand name Daimler had been licensed for use on other automobiles (in France and the United Kingdom), so the name of its seminal Mercedes model was chosen for the DMG portion of the logo. The traditional laurel symbol of Karl Benz was added along with his name to complete the new logo. The logo with a plain ring, as seen today, was not used until 1937.

Mercedes-Benz automobiles have introduced - both in the past and present - the majority of technological and safety features (see details below). It was in 1998, when Daimler-Benz and Chrysler agreed to combine their businesses - known as the "merger of equals", that a new entity, DaimlerChrysler AG was created.

History

The origins of the Daimler-Benz company founded through a merger in 1926 date back to the mid-1880s, when Gottlieb Daimler (1834-1900) working with Wilhelm Maybach (1846-1929), and Karl Benz (1844-1929) independently invented the internal combustion engine-powered automobile, in southwestern Germany. Although they were merely sixty miles apart, these pioneers were unaware of each other's early work.

Karl Benz had his shop in Mannheim and invented the world's first true automobile powered by an internal combustion engine in 1885. It had three wheels. He was granted a patent for his automobile, dated January 29, 1886, for what he called the "Benz Patent Motorwagen". Among many inventions, Benz patented his first engine in 1879 and included in his 'integral' design for the Motorwagen patent application, a high-speed single-cylinder four-stroke engine of his own design.

In 1885, Gottlieb Daimler and design partner Wilhelm Maybach, working in Cannstatt, Stuttgart, were granted a patent dated August 29, 1885 for what is generally recognized as the prototype of the modern gas engine, that they named the "grandfather clock engine".

On March 8, 1886, Daimler purchased a stagecoach made by Wilhelm Wimpff & Sohn and he and Maybach adapted it to hold this engine, thereby creating a four-wheeled carriage propelled by an engine, as many had before them. The only distinction about this carriage was that it carried an internal combustion engine. None of many similar attempts to adapt carts, boats, or carriages, in many countries, were propelled by this type of engine. On the official history pages of the Mercedes-Benz Internet site it is referred to as "a carriage - without a drawbar but with the conventional drawbar steering. A carriage without horses..." Daimler and Maybach later purposely built, from scratch, the first four-stroke engine powered automobile with four wheels in 1889. They founded DMG in 1890 and sold their first automobile in 1892.

Stationary engines were his major business and he invented many improvements to them and their application, but Karl Benz continued to refine his Motorwagen through several models and sold his first automobile in 1888. He built his first four-wheeled model in 1891. Benz & Cie, the company started by the inventor, became not only the world's first, but also largest manufacturer of automobiles by 1900.

In 1899, DMG automobiles built at Untertürkheim (a city district of Stuttgart) were raced successfully by Emil Jellinek (1853-1918), an automobile enthusiast and dealer. He had the name of his daughter, Mercedes, painted on the automobiles for good luck. Wanting faster race cars, it was Jellinek who spurred the development of the seminal 1900 DMG model that would be the first of the DMG Mercedes series, bearing the name of his daughter.

After suggesting some design specifications, he promised to purchase thirty-six of the new DMG model if Maybach would name the new 35 hp engine contained in it the Daimler-Mercedes engine. A contract of five hundred and fifty thousand marks was made for these new models. Within weeks he contracted for thirty-six of another DMG model with 8 hp engines. He was granted an exclusive concession to sell the new DMG automobiles in Austria-Hungary, France, Belgium, and USA.

That new model later would be named "Mercedes 35 hp" and it was a very important advance in automobile design. The contract called for delivery of the first automobile to Jellinek in the Fall, but it did not reach him until December 22, 1900. He became obsessed with the name Mercedes and even had his name changed to Jellinek-Mercedes. Jellinek was invited to sit on the DMG board of directors, which he did from 1901 until 1909, when he retired from automotive activities in favor of diplomatic appointments.

The name change also was helpful in preventing legal troubles, because after the death of Daimler, DMG had sold exclusive rights to the name, Daimler, and technical concepts to companies abroad. As a result, luxury automobiles branded Daimler were, and still are, built in England. A fire that gutted the old Steinway piano factory in New York, which had been converted to produce the new Mercedes models, cut short the dream of American production.

the rival companies of Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft (DMG) and Benz & Cie. started to cooperate in 1924, due to necessity arising from a troubled German economy after World War I, and finally merged in 1926 to become Daimler-Benz AG, which produced Mercedes-Benz automobiles and trucks. The merger agreement established that the two companies were required to remain together until 2000. While focusing on land vehicles, Mercedes-Benz also built engines to power boats and airplanes (military and civil), and even Zeppelins. Karl Benz died in 1929.

Although the brand is most famous for limousine models, a siginificant number of notable sports cars have also been produced. For example, the early supercharged SSK developed by Ferdinand Porsche. Another distinctive model was the iconic 300SL Gullwing of 1954; that was suggested by Max Hoffman, explicitly for the USA market, and introduced at the New York Autombile Show.

Mercedes-Benz has also produced higher volume, less expensive cars. Interestingly, the prototypes of the Volkswagen were built and tested in Stuttgart, in cooperation with Porsche. Before that, Mercedes-Benz had a similar rear-engined, yet rather unsuccessful, small car, the 130 H. In recent years Mercedes have produced the A-Class, relatively inexpensive compared to it's other models. Also the Smart brand of small affordable automobiles has been part of the Mercedes-Benz Group since 1994 and are still producing cars today in conjunction with DaimlerChrysler AG.

Since its inception, Mercedes-Benz has been known for its uncompromising emphasis on quality and durability. Increased focus on costs and volume, and the dramatically increased complexity in modern automobile electronics led to plummeting quality in the late 1990's and early 2000's. By 2005, Mercedes had risen back to the industry average for initial quality (if the "complexity" variable was ignored), according to J.D. Power.In 2006, however, Mercedes lashed out against Consumer Reportsafter the report on new cars for 2007 found Mercedes occupying 3 of the 6 worst quality luxury cars, 3 of the 7 worst quality sports cars, and the single least reliable SUV (as well as the fourth least reliable). Mercedes claimed that the results from both Consumer Reports and J.D. Power were not in keeping with their internal data. Many consumers, however, have complained that the company's responses to customer concerns have not been in line with what you'd expect from a prestige brand of unmatched illustrious history.

Added on April 22, 2007, 10:10 pmHere's some wallpapers to wet ur Benz appetites.

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Click here for more
http://www.mercedesenthusiast.co.uk/merced...allpapers.shtml

Will share even more tasty pics of tuned up Benzes from my collection in the near future.

This post has been edited by xtracooljustin: Apr 25 2007, 07:50 PM
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post Apr 23 2007, 04:02 PM

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Oh nice post there justin thumbup.gif
mercedes enthusiasts plz leave ur comments here rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Apr 23 2007, 06:03 PM

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hehehehe.... me use 230e only.. wat to say? hahahahahaha...
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post Apr 23 2007, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(wantutrifor5 @ Apr 23 2007, 06:03 PM)
hehehehe.... me use 230e only.. wat to say? hahahahahaha...
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W124 230E? Stick wif ur car man! its as solid as a tank!

My dad had a W124 E200, then he change to a W124 CE300 24V. In between Mercedes, he had a 735iL. Now he's riding a W202 C Class wink.gif

Check out my website for more pics
http://xtracooljustin.multiply.com

Here's a link of a tasty modified CE from Japan
http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b76868141

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my dad can say is mercs fan coz have been bought 3 different generation of e-class in 20+years...now riding in E280 but not a newer version.just old a bit only.n i don have chance to use tht car yet T.T
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Those W124 are really built like a tank, as shown in this video on Paul Tan's site.

http://paultan.org/archives/2007/04/09/fif...4-to-the-limit/

Kena flood still can survive, kena monster truck also can survive.

My family got 1 300SE Merc. Very very long but very very solid and stable.
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yes... if u watch the Fifth Gear series, Vicky was testing out how bomb proof the W124 is. And also one of the new presenter in Fifth Gear was running vegetable oil/used cooking oil on his diesel W124... virtually for free!

Beginning wif the W123, the built quality of Mercedes was awesome and unrivaled.. perhaps only by the BMW E34 5 series... which i had the privilege of owning the past few years.

Anyway... more news on Mercedes. This is the latest generation CL Class and the top of the range model is the CL65 AMG wif an awesome torque of 1000Nm!

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/03/merce...-612hp-v12.html

Pictured here is the 40th Anniversary limited Edition model.

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Here's one as a wallpaper!

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there was once a MB expert in LYN......but long time neva see him online already.....maybe he forgotten about this forum......

d@id was his nickname........but he last online 2005.......

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showuser=8252

look at his posts...(EDIT..no point, i think his posts on MB related stuff has been deleted....)....if i remembered correctly, he drives an s-class and an SL merc....

the more senior members would know him....heheh.....

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What's your experience of owning a Benz?
I still think the maintenance is kinda high, especially if its 10 years or older.
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QUOTE(xtracooljustin @ Apr 23 2007, 06:10 PM)
W124 230E? Stick wif ur car man! its as solid as a tank!

My dad had a W124 E200, then he change to a W124 CE300 24V. In between Mercedes, he had a 735iL. Now he's riding a W202 C Class wink.gif

Check out my website for more pics
http://xtracooljustin.multiply.com

Here's a link of a tasty modified CE from Japan
http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b76868141

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hehehehe.. yup, w124 model.. convert oledi to masterpiece..
very sport la ur car man!!!
this car very rock, save fuel if long distance..
rm55-rm60 from kuala terengganu to kl maaa... my lantis cannot do this

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I would really like to meet this d@id dude. Its nice to have another Mercedes enthusiast around.

Here's another tasty modified W203 C55 AMG from California.

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Here's he original link
http://forums.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=159563
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This is my favourite.. S Class

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The quality is better for the new generation Mercs..
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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ Apr 24 2007, 08:08 PM)
This is my favourite.. S Class

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The quality is better for the new generation Mercs..
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yes i must agree... the S Class looks much more awesome than the sedate E65 7 Series.
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but the rear for s class looks like a bit audi shape de tongue.gif
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SLR FTW!! when will i be able to afford this gorgeousness.

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SLR damn niceeeeeeeee
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I think the new W204 C Class looks awesome... as much as im a BMW fan... but the C Class design is much better than the E90. Im not sure how this design will affect the sales of MB, but if i had the money, i'll go for the Avantgarde wif the big MB star grille!

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More here!
http://paultan.org/archives/2007/01/24/new...-w204-unveiled/
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i like this one than the newer merc like the slk,slr clk bla bla bla...

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QUOTE(Oly @ Apr 25 2007, 07:02 PM)
i like this one than the newer merc like the slk,slr clk bla bla bla...

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Ur just like me... i like that old school 190E Sports Evolution wif a Cosworth 2.5L 16V engine.

There's a 190E that has that wide bodykit in Kepong... is often spotted in Segambut n Bangsar wink.gif
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QUOTE(xtracooljustin @ Apr 25 2007, 08:56 PM)
Ur just like me... i like that old school 190E Sports Evolution wif a Cosworth 2.5L 16V engine.

There's a 190E that has that wide bodykit in Kepong... is often spotted in Segambut n Bangsar wink.gif
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yeah...the newer one is suck...too much technology can make ur drive worst...all electronic assist...merc sport car like clk,slr,slk all auto...i still prefer manual...

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