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post Oct 23 2019, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Oct 23 2019, 08:01 AM)
Sometimes you're wrong. So you put a stop loss. When you're wrong and you want to get out as fast as you can, why would you bother bargaining with the market?

If you insist on bargaining for a better price you can use a stop-limit order. Which means, when market reaches that price, execute at limit.
But this carries a risk that you might not be able to get a fill. The order is then cancelled and you may be stuck naked.
Example:

If you put a sell stop above your entry you get instant filled at market.

Sell limit above your entry is a take profit order.
1.0000 You buy here
Sell stop below your entry is a stop loss order.

If you put a sell limit below your entry you get instant filled at best price (usually at market)

If you use a sell stop-limit, the broker will try to execute your sell at the best price set by you. For example if you set your sell stop-limit at 0.9000, the broker will try to fill you at 0.9000 or higher. But if market gaps down to 0.8000, you trigger your stop order, but the limit order won't fill (0.8 is worse than your set limit of 0.9)
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even at market could have some slippage...but still better than stranded
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post Oct 23 2019, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Oct 23 2019, 09:10 AM)
correct, which is why when people set stop loss, they always set a stop order. Nobody sets a stop-limit order. When you absolutely want to get out of the market, you don't bargain.

Similar to real life, bargaining is only reserved for those looking to enter a position or to get a better profit.
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exception is for breakout play where you can use stop-limit for entry...you bargain by setting a different stop trigger & limit prices smile.gif
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post Oct 23 2019, 05:38 PM

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Most roller-coaster exciting - WTI & SP500

...extra sauce - trade intra-day counter-trend... biggrin.gif

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post Oct 23 2019, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(Chengi @ Oct 23 2019, 06:59 PM)
if you post your projection on ES then we can see see and look look tongue.gif
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You can compare them charts... don't wait for me... wink.gif

Try NQ also while you are at it biggrin.gif
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post Oct 23 2019, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(Chengi @ Oct 23 2019, 09:54 PM)
i draw my projection at NQ M5 then i play with my daughter for a while and when i am back it hit...
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awesome thumbsup.gif

the indexes swing high and low, a lot more volatile, eg Aug 5 ES dropped $5000/contract... fx in contrast looks more cyclic and orderly...lol

tweets from trump have caused crude to flash crash a few times, for example...

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post Oct 24 2019, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(paogeh @ Oct 24 2019, 09:05 AM)
i guess FX used least of $ --- becos of the lebverage , 1:500 ......
easier to make profit == options  .
why  ? 
malaysia got options ?
i like FX, becos, even when u;re wrong, u can add fund to hold the line till the price change to your favor .
but others, not so easy , right ?
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you sure trading is for you?

if you wrong...should you not cut loss and change direction?

gotta decide on position trading or swing trading...and set your size correctly man... hahaha

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post Oct 24 2019, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Oct 24 2019, 08:42 AM)
I should have gone to LHDN but I am not in Malaysia at the moment and I needed an answer urgently, that is why I was asking so in this thread.
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if capital gain is not taxable in-country...why would it be taxable from overseas?

if malaysia practices income from overseas not taxable...why capital gain overseas so special is taxable?

go read up the tax codes and see lor... if they tax, they must write it down...

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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Oct 24 2019, 12:22 PM)
Why need answer urgently? Next year April-June only declare if needed. Take some time... Visit LHDN.
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Maybe he gonna buy some bitcoin and gonna make a windfall and scared profit kena taxed? If kena taxed he won't buy lor... biggrin.gif

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post Oct 29 2019, 07:22 PM

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For Paogeh... this randomly pop up today... smile.gif



Futures 6E is ~60:1... $2k margin for 1 contract (EUR125k)

FX futures don't track spot as well as CFD

If your system is good... then high volatility gives the best profit... imho easy profit is probably more reliable lower volatility pairs

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post Oct 30 2019, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(Emily Ratajkowski @ Oct 30 2019, 02:51 PM)
You want safe and not so expensive, you require extensive knowledge (options)
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friend lost half a million trading options when trump crashed crude from about $75 to $45. He said most of the time very easy collect premiums only... lol
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post Oct 30 2019, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(paogeh @ Oct 30 2019, 03:40 PM)
wow !
of the 3 ....

what;s the best mix ?
seems options ......

but got scary story below too ::
USD500k ??!????!?!?!
RM2M ....can buy a luxurious bungalow ....
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oil and gas expat, earns quite a bit, knows the oil business, so trades crude related instruments lor...

options are fairly easy but need a bit of ground work. can best combine with shares so you can sell covered calls & buy puts...

I'm old & lazy, difficult to learn easy to forget...lol... but here got good material if interested... https://optionalpha.com/
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post Oct 30 2019, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(paogeh @ Oct 30 2019, 04:31 PM)
i thouhg u trade FX ?

u trade options + oil ?
as Emily suggested ,
most easy = stock ....
buy and hold .
collect dividen till death .
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Never tried options... friend sent me the link long time ago I never get to learn it ... just know a bit to be dangerous

But seriously, you should step back and tune up your trading system... even slow moving stocks you need an exit plan. Also learn a bit more TA...many folks here going long while you stuck to shorting... whilst fundamentals haven't changed and EUR may still head to 1. It does swing up a bit every few months...

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post Oct 31 2019, 09:29 AM

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EUR to TP1 1.121, TP2 1.125...? hmm.gif
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post Oct 31 2019, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(mrbigggyyy @ Oct 31 2019, 02:21 PM)
but assume if you are trading 1% risk per trade.. it shouldnt matter if you trading stocks or fx right?
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aapl biggest single day candle past 3 months 4.2% (open->close)... to make that $1000 you need $24k... same 3 month period eurusd biggest candle 95 pips... so 500:1...$240... smile.gif

you can of course borrow money from the broker and pay interest but still need collateral

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post Oct 31 2019, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(mrbigggyyy @ Oct 31 2019, 05:41 PM)
for stocks it's of course recommended to do swing.. and there's CFD products as well for stocks
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post Nov 2 2019, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(paogeh @ Nov 1 2019, 10:55 PM)
basically, most ppl get rich  through stock ,
like malaysia COLD EYE , buy dividen chip/blue chip/grow chip , collect dividen year in year out .
and after 20--30 years, become RICH .
As Emily mentioned , most ppl are poor, 
stock are expensive and slow .
that;s why , we dun hear FX , ppl becoming RICH. Most become broke ...
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I'm sure a lot of people get rich in fx but stay quiet only...Malaysia stock market a lot of insiders and syndicates trading. Normal people can still get rich but takes long time...a lot fail stay quiet only you don't hear about. Also last time can only trade stocks...

My understanding is the buy n hold forever trend is changing. Now commercial trading people long time hold is 3-6 months. Retail people still holding on to old thinking hold forever get high dividend lah...

You see cmk96 & hft their ea can double account in 3-6 months, holding good old stocks is very difficult to achieve this...target small 0.7% per day, in 100 days double your risk amount liao

Most people in FX broke because high leverage, small account, trade cfd against MM...

Not to discouraged you from stocks, it's good to diversify a bit, best to combine with a hedging strategy so to preserve capital and reap benefits from dividend.
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QUOTE(cmk96 @ Nov 1 2019, 12:43 PM)
Any trader using EA here?

How is the performance for October?

Mine is 20.92%.
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QUOTE(hft @ Nov 1 2019, 04:39 PM)
Mine +40% to +50%, multiple accounts. Target only +10% a month.
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Am looking for a good ea... can help me get started?... point me to some good sites, etc.

Also can share a bit more info on your ea? Like market/time frame, indicators use for entry & exit, what went well what didn't, etc.?
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QUOTE(fjoru103 @ Nov 2 2019, 10:25 AM)
With low capital and in terms of learning curve, which is a better options among all ?
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FX lah... biggrin.gif
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post Nov 3 2019, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(paogeh @ Nov 3 2019, 11:47 AM)
Thanks drwk.

For stocj, its almost very diffucult lose as long as u buy the divden.blue chip.

The only time . Stock can lose, margin acc .
Even Koon yew ying use margin also lose big .
I always hear warrant in malaysia.

And so far i have not hear those margin.warrant.index in  malaysia long term profit.

Seems like making $$ is not easy .
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np bro...i've been thinking, if you haven't try stocks...can give it a go also lah... never try never know

like you said stock is very hard to blow account...a change of pace maybe good...try 6-12 months then decide if you wanna continue. it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive you know...can always play fx on the side with proper mm...

btw... blue chip also got few bankrupt cases around the world...and i've got some local semi-blue chip darling stocks that never recover from the '97 crash...

if you wanna invest in broad section of the market, can try etf... there's a diy SP500 etf thread here...

fyi if recession hits...be prepared for -20% to -50% drop from peak, and can takes anywhere from 3-6 years to recover... smile.gif

i had public mutual funds >15yrs...liquidated all last year... been topping up 2 foreign stocks >15yrs giving dividend yield 5-6% after tax, but these have lost significant value because of holding and not trading it out sooner, hence my view of not holding on banking of dividend forever...

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 3 2019, 11:52 AM)
I think in investing, we need to see the timespan too. One who made money within a short timespan may not be the best measurement to define Best Investment.

I was a forex player, in the form of Carry Trade. I had to cut lost after holding for a few years, but in the early years when I first 'invested', I kept making money from premiums earned due to knock-outs.

I invested into strong Term Deposits which yielded me 11%, 12% int rates in Aussie Banks but such returns have disappeared today.

I invested into Canadian ctrs which PAY MONTHLY DIVIDENDS, but those ctrs' dividend amts dropped after a few years. I recently divested ont restaurant ctr in the TSX which dropped to $10+ only, last I heard...

I can call out more experiences,... BUT,.. I would like to say that I continue to invest into SG REITs today. But well,.... First REIT is also risky today,... okay... holding forever is not possible anymore ! The word forever is not logical anymore.
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i have some prejudice against reits... biggrin.gif

mandatory distribution can put it at risk during downturns...potential for belly up is high. To be fair i never investigate them fully so i really know nothing about reits... sweat.gif its just something i don't want to touch...

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