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post Nov 7 2017, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(dembaba9000 @ Nov 7 2017, 11:42 AM)
ethical reasons apart, he brought chatime up la so yeah, give that to him.

The fella is ambitious, and when franchiser and franchisee dont share the same vision and velocity, depart lor.
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Please dont mistake dedication with Daddikasi.

The father spend millions on his useless son.
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post Nov 7 2017, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(eXTaTine @ Nov 7 2017, 11:45 AM)
Basically its like this.

Tealive franchise from Chatime but broke terms of franchise. This is what they did.

1) Get cheap ingredients instead of getting the proper ones from ChaTime
2) Didn't pay royalties due to ChaTime
3) Stole the franchise, rebranding to Tealive after ChaTime found out and wanted to terminate Tealive
4) Tealive boss played the victim, pretend he was being bullied by ChaTime when he was actually scamming ChaTime.
5) Currently Tealive after rebranding using cheap shitty ingredients for their drinks. Probably get cancer if you drink it. Not that ChaTime is healthy, but at least they use better ingredients, so chances of cancer is lower.
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Number 5) is so true. Felt like drinking plastic.
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post Nov 7 2017, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(dembaba9000 @ Nov 7 2017, 11:52 AM)
I see many also Daddikasi I Gunasemua.

At least he made something out of it, I get to drink some beverages when I'm in malls.
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He didnt make anything, he STOLE it. Plus he got his relatives and friends to pay for it all.

Like a true daddikasi narcissistic asshole that he is. People like him are really the scum of the earth.
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post Nov 7 2017, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Nov 7 2017, 03:14 PM)
The way I see it, there is as much possibility that Chatime became greedy and did not supported the business here which at one point was so oversaturated and crowded.

I mean, if he really scammed and did the above and he isn't a good leader, then the next logical question is:

a) Why >90% of the franchisee followed him instead of going with Chatime?
b) I thought Chatime wanted to sue him? What happened to that?
c) If his ingredients sucks why Tealive still so popular?

The way you position yourself makes me wonder hmm.gif
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A) he made the first move and most of the franchises open by family member.

B) they reached settlement outside of court.

C) cheap and abundant. Popular? That depends. It definitely not popular with those patrons who can afford proper beverages like starbucks or coffee bean. Personally, I drink Royal Tea is much better.

Tealive is for students or poor people. Cheap brand with cancer inducing products.
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post Nov 7 2017, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Nov 7 2017, 04:14 PM)

Unless there are strong reasons put forward, I can't help feel but many people are just butthurt with some dude with a stuckup face that made a brilliant business move in circumstances not fully understood by everyone and that resulted in success. And it's easy to butthurt at that dude cause of his face laugh.gif
see above reply
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His character isn't something to admire.. sorry, business is all about reputation and this fella just shot his foot up.

There is a proper way to break a master franchise agreement and there is an improper way. Loo did it the improper way.

Also, if you intend to cheat your way through business and commit unethical behaviour, by all means, please follow Loo.

I tried tealive once, and found it bland. From a purely business ROI perspective, tealive is not so good to invest and open. Reason being, low margin of profit as compared to other kind of beverages.

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post Nov 7 2017, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Nov 7 2017, 04:29 PM)
Not going to argue on his character because I do not know him. Nor am I supporting him, because what I am doing is just giving that guy a balance against what I feel are very emotional but unusable accusations.

When you say 'proper' way to break a master franchise agreement, I faintly recall that Chatime franchisor was the one that went on the offensive by coming to Malaysia to terminate the agreement and tried a takeover? I got it from articles that was written during the time of the hoohaa. Not sure what was Chatimes reasoning, but who was the one that went on the offensive first?

And I have to agree on the ROI portion. But that makes it even more so interesting that people with lots to lose are willing to follow this guy, friends or not.
Everything doesn't add up to what is said against him :confused:
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He is a go-getter for sure and a formidable person with a willingness to take short cut and unethical approaches. I.e. using cheaper ingredients when he already had agreement with chatime to use theirs and steal the existing chatime shops to his tealive brand.

I think loo already made the first move by undercutting chatime supplier and not paying his master franchise agreement. That is the first true move. Given his cunning, i bet he already planned to execute this move from the start.

Chatime was never really a franchise. He only allowed close business partners, friends and relatives to invest. The rest, he open himself, with help of his rich father.

Sure, he can survive now that he has a monopoly. Time will only tell whether business close down or expands. Me personally, I think it will eventually close down. I cant see how selling oversaturated bubble tea can operate in so many shops and locations. The high labour cost, shop rental and logistics involved will just kill tealive. How does one maintain their quality and standards? It's just not sustainable.

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post Nov 7 2017, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Nov 7 2017, 08:34 PM)
very simple question , who brought this in last time and when did it start being available?
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Chatime tw brought it to supermarkets. No contract is broken.

I doubt Loo has full control on all chatime products that can be sold or not. He only bubble-tea shop franchise holder. He doesnt hold any exclusivity for all products.

So again, Loo is the one who made the first move to cut the franchise.
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post Nov 7 2017, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(komunis @ Nov 7 2017, 05:45 PM)
his family kaya raya sapu roti 1. He ada problem also can settle 1. Tealive open only straight sudah boleh dapat halal. When chatime tak dapat also.
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He bought from local supplier, you say leh.

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