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post Apr 20 2007, 03:14 AM, updated 19y ago

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finally Gibson doing something.
so now, no more stupid questions like is there a china made gibson etc.

Gibson Guitar Warns Consumers About Counterfeit Instruments Being Sold in the United States
April 18, 2007

Gibson Guitar continues to protect its intellectual property rights and provide consumer protection against the growing problem of counterfeit instruments being shipped from and sold by outlets and individuals in China.

Several complaints from consumers who were sold fake instruments has prompted an aggressive move on Gibson Guitar's part to work with government officials and other instrument marketers in an effort to curtail the growing problem. Gibson Guitar advises all consumers to purchase Gibson instruments only from their network of authorized dealers. Authorized Gibson dealers can be found on the company's website and should be referred to by consumers when purchasing their choice of Gibson instrument. A consumer is warned against purchasing any Gibson brand instrument outside of the authorized dealer network and the inevitable risk of purchasing what can turn out to be a fake.

The growing problem, originating out of China, has been reviewed by the U.S. Trade Commission and currently has the attention of Washington. China regularly defends its record in fighting piracy and counterfeit production of merchandise, however many pirated consumer products continue to be sold in various Chinese cities which affect a multitude of international manufacturers across many categories.

"We will continue to do everything in our power to protect our consumers and the integrity of our family of brands," said Henry Juszkiewicz, Chairman and CEO of Gibson Guitar. "We hope that by issuing this warning our consumers will be armed with the right information to protect themselves and understand what they need to do to insure that what they are purchasing is, indeed, an authentic Gibson instrument."

Consumers can check any of the references below when examining a Gibson guitar in an effort to insure its authenticity:

* Make sure the size is not undersized
* The headstock and headstock logo should match those of authentic Gibson guitars
* Pearl should always be inlaid
* Les Paul Model script is always in cursive
* If the guitar has a 3 screw truss rod it is not authentic
* Check the control and pick up cavities for sloppy routing or wiring
* Real Gibson guitars use one piece necks
* Many fake Gibsons have their pickup cavities painted black inside
* If purchasing a Gibson always ask for the Gibson's Owner Manual and Gibson/Warranty Inspection Card
* Check the wiring, if it is plastic it isn't a true Gibson

Other information on spotting a fake guitar can be found on www.gibson.com.
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post Apr 20 2007, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 20 2007, 03:14 AM)


Consumers can check any of the references below when examining a Gibson guitar in an effort to insure its authenticity:

    * Make sure the size is not undersized
    * The headstock and headstock logo should match those of authentic Gibson guitars
    * Pearl should always be inlaid
    * Les Paul Model script is always in cursive
    * If the guitar has a 3 screw truss rod it is not authentic
    * Check the control and pick up cavities for sloppy routing or wiring
    * Real Gibson guitars use one piece necks
    * Many fake Gibsons have their pickup cavities painted black inside
    * If purchasing a Gibson always ask for the Gibson's Owner Manual and Gibson/Warranty Inspection Card
    * Check the wiring, if it is plastic it isn't a true Gibson

Other information on spotting a fake guitar can be found on www.gibson.com.
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now the china dudes will make guitars based on this list biggrin.gif
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post Apr 20 2007, 01:27 PM

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they cant really base it on that list without their costs doubling or even more.

one day, they might do a LP standard that LOOKS real, but wont be able to do anything with ebony fretboards.
anyway, once you play it you'll realise its fake.

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post Apr 21 2007, 09:18 PM

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found another flaw on those MIC gibson

the binding on the cutaway is even [meaning its the same all around the body] on the clones where as the binding on real gibson are thicker on the cutaway



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post Apr 21 2007, 10:57 PM

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actually, only LP's from late 60s onwards have binding like that.
50s LP's, the binding is the same thickness all around.
some reissues are like that also.
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post Apr 22 2007, 12:26 AM

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post Sep 24 2007, 09:03 AM

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uhh just play it? however good a fake looks, it will always play and sound like sh1t.
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There was someone selling Gibson replicas thru sending out private messages here in lowyat.net. From the photos they don't really look convincing enough but no doubt it'll be able to fool some people..

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post Sep 25 2007, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Anwark @ Sep 25 2007, 01:11 AM)
u might end up wasting money buying fake gibson  also need to becafull when buying at Wohh Fatt Gibson and epi guitar.My friend last time bought a epiphone rm1300 guitar at not so famous guitar shop and after a years he realise that the epi guitar is not a real epi cos when he changed its pickup the body of the guitar look terrible(pickup slot,electronic slot,gutar body) and also the guitar was bolt on and not set neck.He end up only got real epi neck and epi pickup  cry.gif
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epiphones are made in different factories and now different countries, and all obviously dont have the same QC.
he obviously got one at the shithole end of QC.

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thats really a good info thumbup.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(quarantined @ Sep 24 2007, 08:04 PM)
There was someone selling Gibson replicas thru sending out private messages here in lowyat.net. From the photos they don't really look convincing enough but no doubt it'll be able to fool some people..
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Lol,I got his PM once.According to him it's a replica not an original...
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QUOTE(freakfingers12 @ Sep 28 2007, 05:14 PM)
Lol,I got his PM once.According to him it's a replica not an original...
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there was just one a couple days ago in garage sales.
i had nbtd so reported it, blacktrix has closed it tongue.gif
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post Sep 28 2007, 08:06 PM

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Yup. I trust you guys will help me out weeding out the fake Gibsons....
Keep up the good work guys! Hopefully with this thread, people won't get conned so easily.
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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Sep 28 2007, 08:06 PM)
Yup. I trust you guys will help me out weeding out the fake Gibsons....
Keep up the good work guys! Hopefully with this thread, people won't get conned so easily.
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that same guy actually just sold a fake ESP KH model...you can find that also in the garage sales.
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post Sep 28 2007, 08:37 PM

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So, will blacktrix close down illegal "replica" items too?
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post Sep 28 2007, 08:48 PM

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How do you identify that it's a fake?I see the pictures he sent,got 2 screws only on the truss rod cover,not 3.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Sep 28 2007, 08:07 PM)
that same guy actually just sold a fake ESP KH model...you can find that also in the garage sales.
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i asked bout the price. wanted to buy it for my bro, luckily din have cash tat time shocking.gif
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Please, if you see any indications that it might be fake, report it and I will look into it.

As our forums are getting more and more popular, it's natural there are people out there who wants to make a quick buck.

I myself have limited knowledge on guitars and I'm sure you guys would know a fake when you see one...

I will have to check with the Admins to see if fake guitars, even advertised as a clone or fake, are allowed. My money is NO. So if you see threads like that popping out too, please let me know as well.
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There's this guy that makes and sells Fender/EBMM etc headstock decals with a disclaimer: it's for those people that have the original guitars and want to replace the decals on the headstock for whatever reason, blablabla. Well, this disclaimer doesn't work. Try emailing EBMM and Fender to tell them someone has been printing their decals, at the end of the day, this guy did not have commission from these brands. These people should be stopped, as they are providing resources for con-man to "replicate" guitars.
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u can accept fake cd coz of it's fake cd price.
see if its fake cd at ori cd's price? anyone buying?

fake guitar at ori price is omg, but fake guitar at fake price.... mayb....
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fake cd's and fake guitars are different...
fake cd is just the same as ori cd's, only illegal...

fake guitars are just not the same as ori guitars, in terms of quality and sound..
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Well, fake CDs crap out on you faster...

And those crappy song lists... Sheesh!
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i have a few pirated cassettes thats like 20yrs old...and it plays better than some original cassettes from that time tongue.gif

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LOL. Most of my original cassettes died too. Maybe they were using bad quality cassettes for recording.

Now the fakes are everywhere, how saddening.. Maybe in a few years time you'll see Gibson everywhere until you get sick of them.
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there are way more fake ibanez and fenders out there, cos they're easier to fake tongue.gif
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mmm
some dude is like sending PMs around bout the fake gibson [at least he states its a replica not trying ripoff some poor dude]

is it just me or the headstock shape looks more believable now
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the give away is the rosewood fretboard tho


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Yeah I got pm-ed too. Did anyone tried them?? If they're cheap wouldn't mind getting one of them but they're all over 1K...
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post Oct 1 2007, 09:27 AM

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whos the guy pm'ing?
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A guy by the nick of biglovebijou.
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QUOTE(quarantined @ Oct 1 2007, 10:08 AM)
A guy by the nick of biglovebijou.
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thats the same guy who was selling the fake gibsons in the garage sales, and the fake ESP KH...
his thread was closed, maybe now he wants to be banned tongue.gif
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QUOTE(blacktrix @ Sep 28 2007, 09:15 PM)
I will have to check with the Admins to see if fake guitars, even advertised as a clone or fake, are allowed.
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this is quite critical and could set a precedent for 'replica' items. blacktrix, appreciate ur feedback for the benefit of others.

anyway, to strengthen our case on possible banning action (subject to clarification on the above), I received the same PM from biglovebijou too.
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fake guitars of cos are not allowed.

from the rules...
Imitation goods of any nature; and any item or service which infringes an intellectual property right of another person.


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If anyone can PM the copy of the Message, I will report it back to the Admins and give this guy another warning.
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well..i just feel..

the more fake copies around ..especially Gibsons LP ...

the more valuable my guitar is tongue.gif it is so badly wanted , until people need to fake it smile.gif

" i have the real thing , yours is garbage " kinda thing...

the FAKE Jems around...make me GAS for a real JEM hmm.gif
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Got it. Thanks man. Stuff is going to go DOWN!
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have to resurrect this.

i've never believed fake epiphones existed, until i saw this today at one utama.
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look at the black one.
the purple one at the back is the glitter LP which is genuine.
compare cutaway, knob positions and headstock logo tongue.gif

the serial number also is EE03******* which means MIC 2003.
didnt know they had MIC so early.
the truss rod cover is also wrong, as that one is from 2004 onwards, but that can be changed.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 2 2007, 11:00 PM)
have to resurrect this.

i've never believed fake epiphones existed, until i saw this today at one utama.
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look at the black one.
the purple one at the back is the glitter LP which is genuine.
compare cutaway, knob positions and headstock logo tongue.gif

the serial number also is EE03******* which means MIC 2003.
didnt know they had MIC so early.
the truss rod cover is also wrong, as that one is from 2004 onwards, but that  can be changed.
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and that SX has the most fvck up maple fingerboard i ever seen/play/feel in my life
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 2 2007, 11:00 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
hahaa
yeah, it looks like the one i saw in summit =/


@gapnap
owh, so thats the one you were referring to.
i never tried sx newer stuff, they look horrible
woh fatt still carries much better sx's


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QUOTE(gapnap @ Dec 2 2007, 11:08 PM)
and that SX has the most fvck up maple fingerboard i ever seen/play/feel in my life
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Are they really that bad? Maple fretboard in a non mahogany bodied Les Paul, shouldn't it be pretty interesting? smile.gif

Bad news on the Epis though. How much is that thing listed anyway? Listed the same price as though they're real Epis I suppose? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(quarantined @ Dec 3 2007, 12:14 AM)
Are they really that bad? Maple fretboard in a non mahogany bodied Les Paul, shouldn't it be pretty interesting? smile.gif

Bad news on the Epis though. How much is that thing listed anyway? Listed the same price as though they're real Epis I suppose?  hmm.gif
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lol..well

its not maple in the first place..

its plastic ..tested it in mighty music..that was what the feller told me smile.gif


beware!!! yellow doesn't = maple smile.gif
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Plastic? shocking.gif They had me fooled. Must test that thing when there's a chance.
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damnit everdying you seriously have a good eye.
That's the store in some obscure corner of the old wing right? Past Guitar Collection.
I was actually in there testing just for kicks a few weeks back and there actually is a noticeable tonal difference (i mean, duh). I thought it was just bad QC, but i never really noticed the other details you pointed out.


Added on December 3, 2007, 9:57 pmand btw, to check for plastic fingerboards, press the fretboard without touching any strings. There is a slight difference.
Since you already know which ones have plastic fingerboards, go and press those. Then go home and press the one on your axe. There is a slight but noticeable diff in the texture that the finishing can't hide.

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How about epiphones? How can you differentiate fake and real epiphones?
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why people so evil
guitar also want to pirate
kesian noob guitarist like me
im afraid to buy guitar
buy really expensive then found out fake
wtf

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