good days everyone.....

im having problem with my guard gated community (gcc).
we stayed at old taman area with mixture of bungalow, semi D and terrace house.
when we apply for the gcc, the idea is to implement some physical barrier to ensure our safety. majority signed in agreement for the gcc

however, after 2 years, the comittee suddenly decided to give car sticker only for the residents here,not to any family member living outside. i have siblings who stayed outside, just nearby who often visits us often, daily. Those who stayed outside, need to register themselves at the guard booth. i find this new changes rather discomfort for our family member esp those who is very close n regularly attend to visit us. Esp i have a sister who has backache n i cant imagine of her discomfort that has to go out everytime needa to come to my house, esp if raining season

the comittee gives a stupid reason which i still cant accept. they claimed that if they give sticker to family member those living outside, theres case where the car got stolen and never report to the guard. and the thief used the car to get into the taman n endanger the community. i told them.... thats is so rare case. we dont have to be too paranoid on rare case. if the resident faces the same scenario, got car stoled but never report n the thief used the car to go into this taman, there will be no different too as resident too may faces similar problem. they are worried a case who has probability of 1 out of 1 000 000

we have many arguement, n as far as i remember, i have never sign in agreement to allow this happen. no meeting done, although they claimed they did n has received majority vote, which i cant take note of it. i cant rememver any such matter arise when i come for meeting

my friend who work as lawyer told me, as long that my sibling ic address still in that taman, they are considered as resident. as resident u cant ve barred from entering. i try to look for specific law that mentioned it. anyone know?

i also try to complain to the authority of these attitude and samseng attitide.... but im worried the authrotiy will demolish the gcc. i want my family to be safe, at the same time i dont want any discomfort caused to my family member who regularly visit us. we are not strata, or new home area. we have live here for almost 40 years. i think watever regulation muat be vased on the custom practice here

This post has been edited by bani_prime: Oct 25 2017, 09:03 AM

I think your committee is quite reasonable in only giving out stickers to actual residents. There are people out there who would abuse the extra stickers. Have you tried convincing them that your family member actually stays with you?

This post has been edited by neoexcaliber: Oct 25 2017, 08:47 AM

I can only think of making duplicate stickers

in order for any elected people to have authority to self govern a gate community, they first need about 80% agreement from the total resident. usually this means 1 representative per household, NOT every available adult eligible to vote.

they do have the right to impose the registration-upon-entry rule to anyone who do not actually live there, your sister included. again, when majority rules, then minority has to follow. you have the right to voice out your issues, but the need of the many still outweighs the few.

what you need to do is to get more supporters to your cause. either get the committee to agree with your demands, or vote them down and install somebody sympathetic to your cause. if you complain to authority also no use, because gated communities have the right to self govern, and the majority have decided so.

in this case, you can shout about you not agreeing or whatever, but it wont change a thing. this is democratic control by inclusion.

sign in as visitor also susah?

Agreed. The committee explanation is reasonable, as the car sticker is for actual live-in residents. Family members who stays outside, is still an outsiders.

ts quite sohai actually. it's convenience vs. security. you rather your sibling inconvenient or you safer in a neighbourhood where the guards actually take their job seriously?

Go print shop make more stickers je...

Apa susah?

if frequent visit, guard will recognize face one la..then just let u pass....giv guard some time

>my friend who work as lawyer told me, as long that my sibling ic address still in that taman, they are considered as resident.

Press X to doubt. (X)

Joke aside. If like this, anyone can simple register themselves as a resident here, then this will put the real residents in danger. The committee is just doing their job, to protect their residents. Unless you tell your sibling to live together with you, then he will become the resident of the gcc.

>we have live here for almost 40 years. i think watever regulation muat be vased on the custom practice here

mate come on, if like this, then what if everyone start using this as reason to give out stickers to their relatives. Then whats the point of the sticker anymore?

If you think you're right, challenge them in court lo.

This post has been edited by SmallPenguin: Oct 25 2017, 08:56 AM

Sometime after u read the whole thing.. u also wonder if ts even think before posting

As long they are not one living in your house permanently, the committee have a very good reason know your sis as an visitor

Frequent visitor or so is still a visitor or in more rough term outsider. Unless she a resident

This

Anyways, last time I used to ferry friends back home. See my car in out so many times until no longer need to register at guard post.

Tis early morning already see shoot own foot thread

yes, these community many times syok sendiri.
one of my house in a small garden area and quite new less than 5 years old. The community decided to make guard house and force everyone to pay up and give max 2 sticker per house. reason for only 2 sticker is so that owner will not over parked their cars disturbing neighbor. obviously some will not be satisfied especially bigger family that has 3-4 cars. then they decided any extra sticker will cost rm50 and sticker will change yearly to make sure ppl pay for the guard service.

since i rented the house, my tenant refuse to pay for the guard nor the sticker because he already stay there before they implement the system and was not willing to pay extras. the community declare that anyone who stay there but do not have sticker will have to self lift up the boom gate prior to entering the area. This created a backlashed and some owner reported to police and mpsj. long story short, the boomgate is always lift up now except at midnight till morning.

the problem is.... when they want to get approval from mpk, such matter never got raised. we never thought our siblings who stay outside n regular visit has to be exempted. if we know early, i wont sign for approval

Think positively, your siblings have peace of mind when enter the guarded area without getting hurt. U have seen how robbers jump onto people leaving vehicle or lost of vehicle due to hijack.

That inconvenient could save lives.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Oct 25 2017, 09:01 AM

fear of abusing sticker....? tell me, how much such case happening alredy? its just their paranoid fantasy. why do we have to get worried on case that has probability 1 out of 1 000 000

This post has been edited by bani_prime: Oct 25 2017, 09:05 AM

or u can do something like dis, occasionally giv the guards some foods or drinks, then they will recognize u n ur sis n will let ur sis pass next time

my aunt used to do that

i think you are the stupid one... if someone abuse the sticker just like what you did and something happen, who is gonna be responsible? you think you will admit or push the blame to the security?

and you are so inconsiderate... if you know your sister is not well and you still have your sister come to your house daily? what kinda idiot are you? why dont you go to her house instead?

the gate does not guaratee one secutiry. it only reduce the risk n probability.

as i stated above, how much such abuse can has happened so far.? u want to get worried on case that has probability 1 among 1 000 000?

and of courae.... sister visit parent. not parent visit sister. im not alwys home, come late at night

If it happen even to one of the house, u wont be so paranoid it nvr happen before

Typical "It won't happen to me" mentality.

You choose...

Convenience vs safety.?

people like you is the reason why i turn down a position in my guarded communities numerously and stay as normal member

i am a chinese and frankly speaking, chinese are arses.

When it comes to doing actual work, like submitting application to form a committee, go door to door to get approval signature, go putrajaya to register advice to form one..... etc, chinese will not participate at all

When things are done, you will be the first out to jump out and complain and criticise, without giving any constructive suggestion

Unless your sister is certified physical OKU, she don't have the reason not to do simple stuff like getting down the car and register herself in guard house

+1

U mentioned "my friend who work as lawyer told me, as long that my sibling ic address still in that taman, they are considered as resident. as resident u cant ve barred from entering. i try to look for specific law that mentioned it. anyone know?"

if their address is hse in the tmn..then why they not giving stickers...u dont hv to tell them they are in fact staying outside.

register as visitor....let your sister park at your house carpark lo if u have carpark space.

Those who choose convineice ... We tell them, if any one so easy convenient come in and out of the Taman, robbers will use this weakness to come in. Not to say it is 100% safe, but at least got deterrent you want to go where to rob? Easy to go in Taman or damn kau diff to go in Taman.

I noticed in any Taman with sizable number of residents, there always 10% "rebels" who are against 90% of other residents aspiration.

those rebels have their special case (for eg. 5 cars, using own house to do bizness etc, excessive cooking smokes/dirty drains, renting to 20 tenants , airBnB) for own convienience at the expense of other residents who unanimously compromised on foregoing some personal interests but get something else in return, for eg. enhanced security and sense of safety.


In my housing...sometimes resident complain guards being too stern, checking upon entry walhal the resident card blocked for not paying maintenance fee. complain guard didnt recognise him being legit resident.

In other case... some residents noticed other cars easily drive through guardhouse with ease... then complain being lax again for not checking properly.

LOL.



This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Oct 25 2017, 09:32 AM

In gcc.. there always one blacksheep tat will do the opposite what the comittee decided.

Good luck being tat black sheep.. i seen one house owner, tat nvr paid the security service, clone access card and tripple park blocking access road.

Just karma have it, his house was robbed, then make a huge noise why no security.

So the comitte give him tat his access card was the one used on an unidentified car. Apparently, he go and clone but lost his wallet with the clone access card. Didnt bother to report as he think clone card can easily replaced. Robber more than happy to enter with red carpet access card welcoming them.

if ur committee is legally formed and majority voted in then u are part of it whether u like it or not...simple election rules
also, keyword here is parking issue...n they are trying to control it...extra RM50 for sticker is nominal to get space..

Bodoh, your siblings not resident as u mentioned, your honest kill u lah, next time just tell them this sibling stay with u all lah and get stickers.

Want guarded gated and yet suka hati let your own family member come in, that is killing the point of G&G, later your neighbour can let anybody come in and do as they like, like this u happy or not?

Just ask your siblings register as usual lah, no harm doing that also, i enter Taman Desa house also have to register myself, go condo also have to register, why wanna complain just a small issue?

why not register your sister as actual resident in first place or now?
i have done that for our convenience.

dude, assuming your taman has 500 houses and each house has 2 family siblings and requested for stickers, that would be an additional 1000 cars excluding the residents cars that are potentially coming in to your taman be it daily, weekly or monthly. you think your guard would be able to know who is the real resident or who is the outsider? might as well abolish the guard since there are no guarantee and you are so certain the probability is so low. damn.... i think you must be winning a lot in genting.

and lastly, who the hell visits on daily basis late at night when not feeling well? why dont you ask your sister to stay home and rest instead of wasting petrol?

or to solve both the problems, why dont you all go visit your sister so there is no security issue and you all dont have to worry about your sister?

your sister not well then u visit her lor...where got sick people visit people who are well?

you can dupe sticker mah...apa susah?

small matter so hard to solve?

this!. and like my sister in law apartment they just flash ur ic or license at the cctv, record ur no plate

then go.

TS why not u voluntereed yourself as chairman and change the rules..let see whether u can get both side happy

Its the "I dont want to move a single muscle , please kautim my problem for me" diseases.

this one i agree, see later got how many resident bash u when AGM

Rule is rule, i go visit my relative staying at condo/G&G resident area, i also have to present my driving license and register. Sikit sikit dah trigger and complain like little kids

Heard the no vaccine for it until now

The only medication i know so far is named "ownself kena already, then sendiri have to kautim" medicine

Even then it not 100% effective

If you agree with gated then just follow the law. If everyone need extra sticker then what is going to happen? TS have relative stay outside and need sticker. Example 3stickers extra. That area have more then 100 houses. = 100 X 3 = 300 outsider car can go in with sticker without any proper check. If TS area have more then 500 houses? If shit happen and I believe everyone will bash the security guard.

TS bodoh

Pak gad bangla angkat tangan je

Last time , I went to a quite atas place, i just stopped my car smile and wave at the security guard, they straight open the barrier

So the next time I went there again with my mom and joke to her that it is pointless to have so many guards when I can just wave and smile then go in.

And actually many G&G's guards also like that. Those that need verification, just ask for house number, check the license then can go in edi. Pretty ok I think , not really inconvenience

To ts u option is
1. Copy or duplicate sticker..sticker/singnboard /banner shop can do this for you.
2. Just tell community that your sister stay with you and get extra sticker. Or just inform its your car.
3.follow the rules

This post has been edited by peja5081: Oct 25 2017, 09:48 AM

lol, so much burn
i'm cainis and i agree to this statement

if breaking the system doesn't cause inconvenience to others, why not?

U can suggest security go out and take license and put visitor tag on car.no need for driver to get out and write name.easy for visitor and doesn't coz jam

i still don't understand whats so difficult about registering at the pondok.
instead of revising the rules by giving sticker to everybody, why don't simplify the registration process for visitor to come visit.

actually both parties also need to sit down together and think of better way without jeopardising security

but i guess in malaysia, it's difficult to do that, everybody think their way is the correct way

sigh

Proabbly u drive atas car or "muka macam bukan perompak"

My place got option of applying for sticker (actually not sticker but one of those visitor card you put on the windscreen) for people who frequently come to the place e.g. tuition teachers, etc. You just need to register them (their name, IC, car no, etc.) and it has a time limit e.g. 1 month, 1 year, etc. Maybe you want to propose something similar.

must be nice car

if myvi sure still need to register to avoid suspicions

just ram the boom gate lah LOL

You go try and cause problems for the committee and guards, later they get ppl to rob your house. Seen it happen to those who didnt agree to G&G, so didn't pay the fee. Then only their house get rob and the committee can say padan muka, and get pressured to pay.

thats it... theres awlays solution. but my community so sohai... act like samseng

I came across lame excuse , a dumb lady block the alley with her car and some cars trying to use that road were not able to pass thru. The angry drivers scolded her to remove the vehicle . She said her leg sore or something , so must park near to the bank waiting for someone out. The man scolded her again , then y r u driving out if you have injury. Lady still wont bulge

security or convenince pick one. you can’t have both unless you’re willing to fork out a lot of money to invest in high security + high convenience

why dont you stop acting like a boss as if you own the taman?

Your proposal was good but the problem with committees sometimes were power . Given the power, have no responsibility . Doing good things with good heart is not our culture. Menyusah kan people yes. This idea is nothing new.

If the guard always like robot, memang bodo. If they cant even recognized your sister everytime, how are they going to screen perompak face in police identification window.

Maybe your residential area full of dato and datin. Basically u r staying in a cheapskate housing areas full of people not willing to buy a gated and guarded community.

posting in a backfire thread

It's not denied of entry for all cars, Just to register every visitor for security reason. You mentioned it's a rare case, meaning possible of the case happening. What's wrong with taking precaution over it? I see a lot of GCC, Condo and Apartment also doing so.

It's nothing wrong to have tidier security in your community before anything bad happened.

People like you are the reason GCCs are facing problems all over the Klang Valley.

is ok, you belong in the statistic

to you your sister's convenience is more important than the safety of the whole community

might as well make them abolish the gate or tell everyone else HEY IT IS OK TO GET STICKERS FOR NON RESIDENTS

but no you want it to be exclusive to you this benefit. typical

Your house GCC is taking extra caution, you need to understand, house burglar is getting serious these days.

Think like this, what they do to you is actually burdening them, to have visitor check in at gate 1st, but they still do it coz they are doing their job, they concern.

If a shit GCC, probably they already follow what u want, simply spam stickers to all, easier for them, no need check, just lepak at booth and goyang kaki

Same thing here laa..when AGM complaint like no tomorrow when time to elect AJK..these type of people normally suddenly hilang.

Pls be considerate laa..committe need to look after many things..let say they accept your request..then other resident complaint to them pulak why give non resident sticker..

Management no give sticker = management fault
Gave sticker and somehow something happen = blame

Understand TS point of view but if you had the flexibility, somehow some other residents will abuse it = security breach

TS family is good people but others may not.
That time blame game again.
Apa lagi residents mau

i have a feeling that Prof. Jon lives in the same taman as you.

jelly of ur committee

u dun know how lucky u r

If that rule is revised due to majority votes, allowing easier access , that Taman probably will slowly gone to the dogs.

just say your sister now live with you or change ic 2 ur house address

Most probably the latter

my children stayin with their mom inlaw in nilai. area are gated using auto gate system. before, they use car sticker for every 4mths with different colors. yet still, guard will jog down the car model and registration numbers to whoever drive in. those that are not registered by the hse owner, guard will issue temporary pass. after 10-15 mins, guard will come to the hse to do spot check. cars are only allow to be there for few hrs. if hse owner request the car to stay longer, it need to inform the guardhse.
anyway, few oledi kena caught by faking/copying the car sticker. case go straight to police station.
it is better for you to discuss with ur community to settle the issues. am sure they will allow ur family members to hv stickers with restriction. am oso sure, security company oso want to earn xtra bucks. b4, mom inlaw need to pay 5 ringgit for the sticker every mth. since oledi change to auto gate, charges are the same for card pass...

Not sure if legally formed or not but they did renamed our taman name lel.
You said as if we are part of the system but upon police and mpsj report made, they already lax the security if u were to read properly.
Reason is because nobody should be blocked from entering own premises. The gated was not there when signed S&P and it shouldn't be forced on our throat.
The parking did did not happen yet because most of the house was rented to foreigner due to industrial area nearby so most of them don't drive but they wana curb the issue before it happen that's why it causes disapproval from people who own more than 2 cars.
oh by the way, 1 house can easily park 2-4 cars in tandem and the road side curb parking quite plenty of space because we only have 1 broad main street with about 40 units of terrace only.
And no, extra RM50 is not nominal to get space for a terrace house but yes for a condominium.

who the heck is that lol

probability do not work with security.
how many house in your state and how many robbery case happen in your state? do that number smaller than that wat you mention. why are you bothering GnG if the probability is so small?

you are just contradicting yourself.

Where is the MOM?

this reminds me, why is tropicana guarded by pdrm with assault rifle? i'm so shocked when i entered, i thought just usual park guard.

take a family photo in front of your house. print the photo in large size and laminate it. show photo to guard everytime come visit.

as Joker said.
This one confirm stratified GnG

If sign in as visitor susah, u moved out to your brother sister taman lo

Not related to TS punya case but last time i come across a gated taman where they put big ass gate on the main road..no security guard manning the gate.then they give every resident access card.DIY style

Can save a lot but no so practical coz need to engage someone to open the gate for garbage truck and if got emergency like fire or ambulance a bit hassle.

Agree. Well said
this is why the sticker is called resident sticker.

Usj 5? Kekeke.

TS stupid
Later ur neighbour apply 10 stickers u bising
There is no perfect solution
Give and take

1 student rent there, then have 15 friends who visit him often get stickers too

easy to see how TS' logic is flawed

This post has been edited by DarkAeon: Oct 25 2017, 05:05 PM

my neighbor also abuse and put the sticker on his relative cars. since he was assigned to collect jaga deposit, he can do what he wants....

u wan safe

u wan convenient

eh..... something wrong here

you need to see the bigger picture..
always got good and bad lah..
but they concern on the security and safety to those inside the compond mah.
later if not secure, people can easily masuk, also complain..
must see things from both side.
if all the residence there no issue then ok la..
unless 51% of the residence complain like you, then you need to raise it to the comittee.
if less than 30% of residence, then follow the majority loh..

personal opinion:
giving car sticker to the residence is a very good practice, any other cars who dont have stickers must register if want to enter.
from security perspective yah.

4. Give roti canai or give them food till the guard kenal you.

Belum try dah bising.

guard gated community

Malaysia now zombieland. Need Zombie protection.

Indeed.

Never thought of this in the first place?
Make new law as you go along? Haha.

This...

common issue, that's why community service like this hard to get win-win situation except management implement it before people start staying

It's like Muslim woman,
>want to b more Islamic
>want more freedom

Kekdom

Since your family members are regulars to your house, I am sure the security guards are familiar with them. Maybe initially, they will require your sister to register but believe me after a while, they will just open the barrier when they see your sister car without the need for your sister to register. The guards will most likely let your sister in first and then they register themselves after that or some lazy guards may just skip the registration.

Haha, very true. The only reason I could think of is TS mum does the cooking and his sister drops by to eat daily. This happens to many families. Other than that no matter how close we are to our family , we won't be visiting them daily or even on alternate days.

Don't simply draw conclusion. You don't know TS personally. Don't rule out that TS or sister may be up to something fishy

TS tolong I mean please go and mampus. You want everything. Be ready to lose or give something when you take something. Basically, just register your sis car as your car and get her the sticker. I think this fu key mark TS wants just his guest to enter without needing to register. Sick of this selfish attitude.

For comparison, my guarded neighborhood scheme committee gives its residents four stickers with two RFID pass cards to open the auto boom gates (with consideration to have more cards/stickers upon request but they are limited). If you don't pay monthly security fees for more than three months, the committee will automatically bar the cards until you pay. Unless you pay, you have to manually open the auto boom gate by yourself after reporting to the guardhouse. The stickers are just for show to make sure the guards can identify residents' vehicles only. The PBT states a requirement of 100% agreement to have the guarded neighborhood scheme.