Case study #1:
Medium cost unit sold at low cost pricing
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Case study #2:
RP 167,670. Sold at 184k. But still below market 43%???
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Apr 26 2019, 11:38 PM
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Seems like a trend people flipping medium cost apartment? Easy to be done?
Case study #1: Medium cost unit sold at low cost pricing » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Case study #2: RP 167,670. Sold at 184k. But still below market 43%??? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Apr 28 2019, 03:23 PM
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Apr 29 2019, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(flight @ Apr 29 2019, 07:39 AM) Well I wouldnt word it the way he words it. Ie "ill be calling some gangsters to shove him out". Strikes me as being arrogant and high handed. I would probably find an amicable way to get him to leave. Yes, is usual practice for low cost flat / PPR unit. The new buyer will offer lorry service, find new place for the ex-owner, even pay deposit for the ex-owner to leave the house. Refer below example: For eg: pay him 1 month rent and ask him to leave pronto. Otherwise going to ask someone to make him leave. Have some humanity while accelerating an exit. I mean look at his posts. This guy has some money. But for the above case, owner is staying in condo standard. And still living luxuriously (pasang semua aircon Try to be nice yet people will take advantage and pijak nice people back. |
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Apr 29 2019, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(gashout @ Apr 29 2019, 08:58 PM) Chop chop for cutting the interesting conversation. Loan approval can be done within 3 working days. Does anyone know how long does it take from winning an auctioned property to signing SPA and getting the loan sorted. Given all my documents, finance ok. I will be away for 3 weeks and I hope the 90 days less 3 weeks will be sufficient for me to sort things out. Thanks. (I have seen 1 day approval also, but above statement is more realistic) You need to personally sign the loan offer letter from bank. So 3 weeks away is an unwanted delay. cc: wild_card_my to provide better insight. |
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May 3 2019, 05:28 PM
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May 4 2019, 12:15 PM
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Got 2 interesting story to share from today Maybank mega auction:
--------------------------------------- 1. Buyer market is certainly back. Hot property will still have many buyers willing to buy. Only at 10% cheaper than subsale market also good enough for some people. QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Apr 7 2019, 11:08 AM) Below 800k for 1788sqft in the lelong market. Dual key unit. Total attracted 5 bidders. Compare with subsale, at the same price can get only 1300sqft nego till the end also dont think can find any at below 800k. C-12-2, Block C, Anjali North Kiara, Jalan 3/61, Bukit Segambut Reserve price🔥🔥RM 770,000🔥🔥 Freehold 1788sqft (1653 sqft + 135 sqft of private lift foyer) 2 car park slots Auction: 04-May-2019 (Sat) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Unit sold at 915k today. Wow. Only 10% cheaper than subsale pricing? Plus this is an occupied unit some more. Developer units still selling, free legal fees, rebate, disccounts some more nett pricing around 1M+ only. Not sure is a good catch or not. ----------------------------------------------- 2. Another unit from Zeta, One South sold at the lelong market today. Damn it notice there is a syndicate cheating on noob buyer in the market currently. Sad case happening. Scroll above. This syndicate won the last unit here at 445k, refer: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=91498503 Now today managed to cheat another buyer. G-27-03A, Zeta Residence, One South Reserve price 🔥🔥RM 470,000🔥🔥 Leasehold until year 2094 1184 sqft + 173 sqft private lobby foyer space Auction: 04-May-2019 (Sat) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « 2 bidders. Syndicate own register as another bidder to bid up the price. Reason is to collect higher commission earning. Nobody else will enter at 470k. It is still high price. Anyway, they bid up the price and sold at 502k. I pity the buyer who got cheated here. |
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May 4 2019, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ May 4 2019, 03:26 PM) Can you explain how the syndicate works? I mean if the buyer registers but don't bid until higher bidding price than the said syndicate, then the house will be sold to the syndicate too right? All buyers should have it very clear in mind what price they are willing to pay rather than follow their emotions when purchasing lelong units. Easy. Coz the buyer authorized this syndicate to bid on behalf and most probably was coax into believing that need 500k budget to win. Is under their total control. Well plan by creating a 2nd bidder to jack up the price. |
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May 4 2019, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ May 4 2019, 04:13 PM) Thanks for the explanation guys. But then again, its up to the bidder to take the bait. If the bidder doesn't take the bait, these syndicates cant do anything also. Just like those "ulat" you meet at every auction that comes sit next to you to ask you how much you are bidding for, trying to strike a deal so that you don't bid and take their cash offering instead. Does these deals even go through? Is certainly not like what leodinouknow explain. Wrong explanation. There is no "ulat" like what you mention. Example the Zeta One South unit. "Ulat" if really got like what you mention, once "ulat" know that you will be bidding for this unit, the "ulat" will need to go rush and prepare bank draft amounting to 47k. And today is Saturday. Possible only bank in KLCC open. In time? The incident happen as per my explanation above. Run by syndicate. They already got a buyer entering to bid this unit, bidding on behalf. They registered a second bidder (yes by placing a well prepare 47k bank draft) They created the bid fighting scene. Unit sold at 502k. End of story. This is not ulat. This is syndicate cheating the noob buyer. Unneccessarily wasted to buy at 30k+ extra. p/s: Edit to show the bidding process as per the image: Bid started at 475k (since got 2 bidder). 1 bid 2k increment. Buyer authorize bidder shouted 490k straight. Fake bidder shouted 500k straight. Buyer authorize bidder raise hand to bid normal 2k become 502k. Done. Sold! ![]() This post has been edited by AskarPerang: May 4 2019, 08:37 PM |
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May 4 2019, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ May 4 2019, 04:40 PM) Yes, your explanation is clear and precise. What I meant is that there would sure be those ulat who could be a property agent or someone representing a prospective bidder who will at all costs try to manipulate your bidding price, saying that their buyer is willing to pay max Rm500k for the unit, while the reserve price could be only Rm400k. So he will ask if you are willing to go past that, if not then he will ask you and other bidders not to bid, in return he will offer cash (which will be from the buyer he is representing) to buy you off for not bidding/jacking up the price. Such pests exists in every auction. Yes side deal outside the auction do happen. But is harder to deal now coz got online bidder. |
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May 4 2019, 08:29 PM
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Another interesting story:
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May 5 2019, 06:03 AM
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 4 2019, 10:58 PM) Yeah, this part I don't understand...what happens if accidentally sold to syndicate if the noob buyer end up don't bid higher than them? Sorry if I'm missing out on something. Buyer authorize syndicate to bid on behalf. Do re-read this post again: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=92572449 This post has been edited by AskarPerang: May 5 2019, 06:04 AM |
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May 6 2019, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Mar 11 2019, 06:26 PM) Unit: J-15-12 drop to 324k today. 935 sqft. And sold at reserve price, single bidder win unchallenged. Not sure is a good catch or not. Opening of the unit. Sublet unit with 2 extra rooms. Also enter lelong. Edited: Yes is a good catch with so many free gifts inside. Layout: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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May 7 2019, 11:45 AM
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Example of few developers not allowing direct transfer.
Take note that if you buy lelong unit from projects already issued title but the defaulter owner did not do perfection yet. Prepare to pay the extra cost involved to do double transfer. Stamp duty and legal fees to settle the title to the ex owner first. Then pay another round of stamp duty and legal fees to transfer to your name. If taking bank loan, is not possible to settle within 90/120 days also. Extension required and penalty will apply. In bracket is few example of project already issued title by those developer. 1. MKH (Hillpark landed houses) 2. Glomac (Saujana landed houses) 3. OSK (Mirage KLCC -do recheck whether need double transfer coz is freehold & Mirage By The Lake- yes, cyberjaya is limited freehold) 4. Tropicana (Tropicana Avenue) 5. F3 Capital (Selayang 18 & Univ 360) Etc. |
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May 10 2019, 06:58 AM
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Interesting auction unit. Ion Delemen Genting with GRR scheme.
E7-23-09, 23rd Floor, Tower 7, Ion Delemen Reserve price🔥🔥RM 585,000🔥🔥 Freehold 988sqft Auction: 29-Apr-2019 (Mon) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « This bank no cover all outstanding. And still got outstanding amount to developer. 89k as per the video below. Probably buyer stop making progressive payment and bank also didnt release the final few stage payment to the developer. Like that also fight. Market value 900k? 5 bidders. Sold at 660k. Higher than last month reserve price. Winner seems to be happy and satisfied with the price. Buyer market is certainly back. |
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May 10 2019, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(tmc @ May 10 2019, 11:47 AM) Not within the stated budget. Parkhill Residence, 400 meter covered walkway to LRT Bukit Jalil, newly completed, keys not yet collected unit, highest floor, 3 car parks: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=92483411 This post has been edited by AskarPerang: May 10 2019, 12:04 PM |
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May 14 2019, 12:52 AM
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May 14 2019, 07:22 AM
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May 15 2019, 03:28 PM
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Prime location property attracting people.
Hot lelong unit sold in the high court today. QUOTE(AskarPerang @ May 6 2019, 11:49 PM) Cheap lelong unit check in. High court auction. Attracted 15 bidders this morning. OMG! Good size for KLCC property. At 4th round reauction. Bank value at 1M. Walking distance 500 meter to KLCC. 23A-3, Idaman Residence, No. 8, Jalan Law Yew Swee, 50250, Kuala Lumpur Reserve price 🔥🔥RM729,000🔥🔥 1035sqft Freehold Auction: 15-May-2019 (Wed) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Lelong history of this unit: 1st auction - 1,000,000 - no bidder 2nd auction - 900,000 - no bidder 3rd auction - 810,000 - no bidder 4th auction - 729,000 - current reserve price - 15 bidders!!! Sold at: » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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May 15 2019, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 15 2019, 08:52 PM) You know, I really enjoyed reading the stories posted here...so grounded with reality, these actual cases...helps out perspectives to people like me More realistic or more choices if set at below 100k low cost flat.One question... auction units or not, would people go for those units that are cheap like 50k, plus minus, buy outright cash and then rent it out for 250-400? Seems to make better returns than getting those in the range of couple hundred thousands and still rent for that low (600-800). I know the type of tenants come to play too, but would like to hear your thoughts on this Yes, many cash rich investor still will aim such units to buy from the lelong market. Coz if via normal subsale, they are not qualify to buy such unit. |
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May 16 2019, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 16 2019, 12:21 AM) Any property listed for <100k would be >100k at the end of auction unless it is a place not worth buying to begin with or will be difficult to take possession off after the auction is over. Buying low/medium cost flats and renting them out does give good returns but not the easiest way to make money as you will need to sift through the pool of tenants many of them nasty characters to deal with and might become a problem to collect rent from them. Worth doing? For me it isn't something worth doing. QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 16 2019, 12:32 AM) To the first point, agree...and if it's gonna be more than 100k, then may as well buy subsale... better peace of mind too... Not exactly correct. Good location (nearby KLIA). Can do sublet. Yet still can get at below 100k. And ya, I thought the same as well with the type of tenants that these type of properties will attract...think they may not take much good care of your property and end up you might incur losses just to upkeep the place and pray no delay in collecting rent. Good to understand further on this, thanks everyone for the replies so far Low medium cost flat. Easy to rent out. Investors normally well familiar with the property and location they are aiming. Probably already owned more than 10 units at the same place. Here example (RP 81k. Won unchallenge 81k): https://www.lelongtips.com.my/property/5636...gor-for-RM81000 Owner pass the unit over to subletter at a rental rate of only RM500 per month. Subletter rent out per head if full occupancy can get RM1100 (minus RM100 for utility) = RM500 nett earning. Just not sure the repair/set up cost = RM20k++ owner the one paying or the subletter paying or half-half. She didnt mention. |
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