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post Feb 10 2018, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 10 2018, 01:18 PM)
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...auction-market/
New units entering auction market

OF late, brand new never-lived in properties have been entering the auction market. Some of these units are foreign-owned while the majority of them are local buyers, a source from an auction house says.

Owners are not bothered to take possession of these units while some took possession for a short while only to forgo their investments.

Two banks confirmed there are such units entering the auction market.

Most of these units were purchased four to five years ago under developers interest bearing schemes with low downpayment. Under the scheme, mortgage payments only kick in when the property is completed.

“They wanted to flip the units but because of the weak property market, they were unable to sell them,” the source from an auction house says.

This “trend” of never-lived in units coming under the hammer is something that is relatively new which started two to three years ago, the source says.

It started as something innocuous initially. Today, the source is seeing more such units entering the auction market.

“Maybe 5% to 10% of our listings comprise these new units,” the source says, adding that more are expected to enter the auction market.

A bank employee who heads the auction division says his department are seeing more brand new units entering the auction market.

“These unit come directly to us from the developers. These are recently built condominiums with high prices in which buyers had purchased for investment but have decided not to go ahead with the mortgaged payments,” the bank source says.

Most of these units are in Johor although there are also units in the Klang Valley, the bank source says.

He says those who buy properties for occupation are not “that affected”. Those who are “hit” are “mainly investors”, the source says.

The issue is not so much the interest rates as mortgage rates remain low at 4.25%-4.35%.

There was a time when double-digit interest rates forced many into arrears soon after the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997/98. Unable to keep up with mortgage payments, they lost their homes, the source says.

But this time, he says, it is different. The issue is not interest rates.

The source says his bank has over 100 foreclosures each month, of which about 58% come under the hammer. The rest are withdrawn from the auction market.

The bank source says the number of foreclosures today is “unlike” that during the period soon after the Asian Financial Crisis. That period saw a lot more foreclosures. In that sense, the number of foreclosures has not really risen.

“It has stabilised,” he says.

On whether he is seeing more small offices home offices (SoHos) and properties in this genre in their books facing foreclosures, he says the bank has not been lending aggressively to this segment of the property market.

SoHos are commercial properties with a residential element to it.

He says the bank he works for is rather “conservative” and does not have much exposure in this genre of the property sector.

On whether there is a significant rise in the number of auction on new units from other states other than Johor, he says “not yet”.

He says the bank is trying to cap its non-performing loans at 1% to 2%.

However, the bank’s mortgage base, or property loans, is rising.

The source says while mortgage loans is a growing market, it would like to limit exposure to certain segments of the real estate market.

A second bank source says his bank’s mortgage loans hit new records annually but the NPLs are capped at 1% to 2%.

So despite the NPLs at that low rate, the mortgage base has grown annually which means that more properties will be financed and some of these may become delinquent.

The rise in the number of units auctioned is “incremental” because any units which are unsold at the first round of auction will be put on the second round but with 10% drop in price.

“The number of cases, or units auctioned, is based on NPLs and the mortgage base. There may be a perception that there are more auctions today, but this may be due to units going through multiple rounds.

“There may be more auctions but not more units,” the source says, adding that since 2002, the recovery process has been more efficient.

On the broad range of properties auctioned today, he says that over the last 10 years, the majority of properties offered by developers belongs to the “high-end category of RM400,000 and above”.

Prior to this, launches were priced at between RM200,000 and RM250,000.

As the types of units broaden to include a wider range of housing types with higher prices, it is natural auctions today carry a wider range of units with differing price points as well as the lower priced flats and apartments, he says.
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post Feb 10 2018, 03:11 PM

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Is it worth buy those over value property which been auction? Selling 300k but auction 150k like that. Feel got a lot trap since new unit less than 10years
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post Feb 10 2018, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Feb 10 2018, 03:11 PM)
Is it worth buy those over value property which been auction? Selling 300k but auction 150k like that. Feel got a lot trap since new unit less than 10years
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Got example a 300k property price drop until 150k in the auction market? I dont think got any.

Normally 30% off market price will have taker already. Unless really no hope property then that's another story.
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post Feb 10 2018, 03:35 PM

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Price only drop 10% at a time, for each round of auction.

For example, if reserved price is 100k, and no taker, next auction reserved price will be rm90k.

Following round, the reserved price will be 81K.

So, if 50% off, it will take more than 5 rounds.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 10 2018, 04:23 PM)
Got example a 300k property price drop until 150k in the auction market? I dont think got any.

Normally 30% off market price will have taker already. Unless really no hope property then that's another story.
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I saw it in kampar perak area. The area over supply more than demand.... mean is no hope area? Nearby ktar & utar and new few college area.
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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Feb 10 2018, 03:36 PM)
I saw it in kampar perak area. The area over supply more than demand.... mean is no hope area? Nearby ktar & utar and new few college area.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 10 2018, 03:23 PM)
Got example a 300k property price drop until 150k in the auction market? I dont think got any.

Normally 30% off market price will have taker already. Unless really no hope property then that's another story.
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post Feb 10 2018, 09:44 PM

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refer to the above star's article.

very ill-informed journalist or/and banker.....

How many proper SOHO has been launched in the past 10 yrs in KV? I think can count by 10 fingers, probably less than that.

These people always confused over schedule H properties over non schedule properties, both are under commercial titles.

SOHO generally are under schedule H same with any other residential properties.

I don't see why SOHO has been singled out as potential for auction. I think they should/confuse with mention SOVO SOFO Office suites and etc.
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Im always check pricing on mudah & property guru, cause i got two property at there. Hmmm i try find back if the link still have.

What i know is the pricing lelong is attractive, but as i see the area, a lot empty unit for rent/sale.... only few unit occupy it even front row, middle & behind row i think no need to say anymore rite? Something like ghost town, maybe need 5-10years more for the area if you ask me.

My question is worth to buy it now to hold? Just for potential grow, cause i believe hard to rent out over supply

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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Feb 10 2018, 10:22 PM)
Im always check pricing on mudah & property guru, cause i got two property at there. Hmmm i try find back if the link still have.

What i know is the pricing lelong is attractive, but as i see the area, a lot empty unit for rent/sale.... only few unit occupy it even front row, middle & behind row i think no need to say anymore rite? Something like ghost town, maybe need 5-10years more for the area if you ask me.

My question is worth to buy it now to hold? Just for potential grow, cause i believe hard to rent out over supply
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Which area?
Your statement is too general. Need to specify at which location?
Is it Rawang? Semenyih? Puncak Alam?
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Feb 10 2018, 11:34 PM)
Which area?
Your statement is too general. Need to specify at which location?
Is it Rawang? Semenyih? Puncak Alam?
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Kampar, perak area
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post Feb 10 2018, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Feb 10 2018, 10:22 PM)
Im always check pricing on mudah & property guru, cause i got two property at there. Hmmm i try find back if the link still have.

What i know is the pricing lelong is attractive, but as i see the area, a lot empty unit for rent/sale.... only few unit occupy it even front row, middle & behind row i think no need to say anymore rite? Something like ghost town, maybe need 5-10years more for the area if you ask me.

My question is worth to buy it now to hold? Just for potential grow, cause i believe hard to rent out over supply
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Price could only rise after over supply is consumed.

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Read: https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...uctioned-units/


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post Feb 11 2018, 12:24 AM

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Yes3......flippers being slaughered as we speak. Yeahh baby!

I aasume the johor auctions that are hot is the Palazzio studios in Austin Perdana there and condos in Bukit Indah.

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QUOTE(kamilnu @ Feb 11 2018, 01:24 AM)
Yes3......flippers being slaughered as we speak. Yeahh baby!

I aasume the johor auctions that are hot is the Palazzio studios in Austin Perdana there and condos in Bukit Indah.
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Yeah a lot of my friend which work at singapore and purchase condo as investment all burn hand. Empty for 1years plus no tenant since all unit for all block is for rent
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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Feb 11 2018, 12:41 AM)
Yeah a lot of my friend which work at singapore and purchase condo as investment all burn hand. Empty for 1years plus no tenant since all unit for all block is for rent
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I singled out Palazzio bcos i visited the site and made a study of the development in 2013. I saw there were 4 blocks with high density studios. Next to the site there was another developer doing the same thing. After visiting the show room and the site i immediately run away.
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QUOTE(kamilnu @ Feb 11 2018, 01:47 AM)
I singled out Palazzio bcos i visited the site and made a study of the development in 2013. I saw there were 4 blocks with high density studios. Next to the site there was another developer doing the same thing. After visiting the show room and the site i immediately run away.
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I will say dont touch jb property. A lot people burn hand. Except you got extra cash to buy and hold. Hard to rent out even advertise at lower than monthly installment loan
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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Feb 11 2018, 12:57 AM)
I will say dont touch jb property. A lot people burn hand. Except you got extra cash to buy and hold. Hard to rent out even advertise at lower than monthly installment loan
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Well....in the end i still bought one in 2013. A new double storey link house in Tmn Bukit Dahlia, Pasir Gudang. Developer was Johor Land. Rented for 15 months now with rental above bank installment + maintenance. Company account tenant some more. Huhuhu.
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QUOTE(kamilnu @ Feb 11 2018, 02:04 AM)
Well....in the end i still bought one in 2013. A new double storey link house in Tmn Bukit Dahlia, Pasir Gudang. Developer was Johor Land. Rented for 15 months now with rental above bank installment + maintenance. Company account tenant some more. Huhuhu.
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Well is good on your side getting inside the ship bro.

But i heard the rental wont be high forever? Currently cause got lot contract worker foreigner, and they come in 2years to 5years time only. Once contract finish, company wont rent it with such pricing anymore. Anyway is good enough you able get in that wave of profit congrats
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QUOTE(leodinouknow @ Feb 11 2018, 12:57 AM)
I will say dont touch jb property. A lot people burn hand. Except you got extra cash to buy and hold. Hard to rent out even advertise at lower than monthly installment loan
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If rental could cover monthly installments, most if not all qualified tenants would have bought.


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