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Technical LIVE after Death...Revival SPELL?, Revived=80 3ROD Again=9 R3RODR=7

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post Jun 26 2007, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(leenaz @ Jun 26 2007, 08:08 AM)
my console kena balik unable to read disc
when i insert disc the sequal be

open tray=reading=open tray again wtf!!!
2nd time kena...last time took me almost 2 month to get back my console...
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aisey bro malang sungguh nasib ko. kalau ada warranty lagi baik gi hantar balik tapi kalau tak mo tunggu lama cuba rubber band trick....
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post Jul 2 2007, 07:52 AM

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Yeah my old revived 360 that was dead on Saturday came back alive yesterday, I asked my son to play some games (from 2pm until 10pm) that's 8hrs straight and it's ok. I noticed that when it went dead again the fan was not spinning fast enough to pull out the heat/hot air and that was the cause of the 3ROD again(yeah many great thanks to MS). After the fan managed to spin at it normal speed at 5v, everything is fine.

This situation goes the same with Arj's 1ROD problem. After the fan managed to spin at it's normal speed, it is ok.

I'm doing the 12v fan mod (on one of 3ROD case that went dead again, it's not yours Arj but if you want me to do it on yours I will) right now so that it will bypass that stupid temp/speed sensor.

MS should really look into the quality of the 360 motherboard. I've read at joystiq that one company in UK that has been doing repairs for x360 is now refuse to repair any 3ROD cases as they said the problem is the mainboard and the repair cost for each 3rod case is very high.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26211

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UK-based repairs specialist Micromart has told GamesIndustry.biz that it has had to refuse to service Xbox 360 consoles that display three red lights, dubbed the Red Ring of Death.

"We were seeing about 30 a week before we pulled the plug on the service," said Jeff Croft of Micromart.
"We saw it over a period of several months and it was just getting worse. It began towards the end of last year. Once the twelve month warranty finished then we started to see more and more machines being sent in to be looked at.

Micromart acts for individual retailers who send customer's goods to the specialist. Croft says his company pulled the service after discovering problems with the motherboard, and that that repairing the console wasn't financially feasible. Even after working on a number of machines, the company didn't feel comfortable with the end result.

Croft said the company had written to Microsoft to inform it of the problems encountered but had received no reply.


OT: A forumer wanted to buy my old X360....I'm letting it go this weekend.

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post Jul 2 2007, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(leenaz @ Jul 2 2007, 01:57 PM)
3rod can fix
even hit again also can fix back
now heat sensor gice a damn..
sure got solution

but my 360
dvd-rom prob
wtf!!!!!

can fix but need send it back to sg
now i'm looking forward to bought new dvd-rom
tot got 1 spare
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Better quickly make up you mind bro....before I change my mind.... biggrin.gif

Send back to Sg takes time (more than 2 mths), change to other Samsung drive only take 30mins max....
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post Jul 2 2007, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(silencer @ Jul 2 2007, 02:21 PM)
ps3 baru bila sampai..... sweat.gif
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Tgh kumpul balik duit nie bro.....harap2 hujung bulan bole sampai....
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post Jul 2 2007, 03:42 PM

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Tiba2 X360 aku jadi rebutan.....aduuuusssss.......
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post Jul 3 2007, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(leenaz @ Jul 3 2007, 12:24 AM)
thanks to sifu tot
change my dvd-rom already
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No problem, jgn lupa mintak screw casing ngan dvd-rom ko tu balik...apara..dah bukak tak reti nak pasang balik lak...
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post Jul 3 2007, 11:55 AM

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post Jul 4 2007, 08:07 AM

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Nearly one in every three Xbox 360 consoles fail, according to retailer reports

By several metrics, the Xbox 360 is the most successful console so far of this generation. Despite the startling pace of the Wii, the Xbox 360 still has the most consoles sold worldwide and the longest list of games and exclusives. For a gamer looking for online-enabled high-definition gaming today, the Xbox 360 appears to satisfy those needs.

One often overlooked factor when considering a console purchase is reliability, an area that is apparently where the Xbox 360 falls short. Anecdotal evidence is heavily pointing to Microsoft's latest console as being significantly more prone to failure than what consumers are accustomed to.

Microsoft has said before that its Xbox 360 failure rate falls within three to five percent, what it believes to be well within industry standards. Internet reports from Xbox 360 owners, however, suggest that the failure rate is much higher than that.

In an effort to gain a more accurate picture of Xbox 360 failure rate, DailyTech decided to poll retail outlets that sell the Xbox 360 and with it the option to purchase an in-store extended warranty. Out of all Xbox 360 extended warranties sold, we wanted to know how many were claimed by consumers with defective consoles, thus giving us a more accurate failures percentage.

After contacting several retailers from various regions in North America, the responses were unanimous: the Xbox 360 is the least reliable gaming console in recent history. Current EB Games or GameStop employees who offered information did so under strict anonymity, as it is against company policy to reveal such information to the public. Furthermore, our sources confirmed that EB Games revised its Canadian warranty policies during early 2007 for consoles solely due to the failure rate of the Xbox 360.

EB Games held conference calls for its Canadian stores informing them of the new policy changes and revealing alarming failure rates of the Xbox 360. "The real numbers were between 30 to 33 percent," said former EB Games employee Matthieu G., adding that failure rate was even greater for launch consoles. "We had 35 Xbox 360s at launch I know more than half of them broke within the first six months (red lights or making circles under the game discs). Two of them were dead on arrival."

Interestingly, Microsoft has acknowledged that the initial batch of Xbox 360 consoles made during the launch window suffer from below average reliability. In response to an overwhelming defect rate of launch consoles, Microsoft agreed to repair all machines manufactured in 2005 free of charge, and issue a refund for those who already paid for repairs of launch units up until January 1, 2006.

The three flashing red lights - commonly referred to in gaming communities as the "Red Ring of Death" - is a sign of an Xbox 360 hardware failure. The sign is apparently common enough that Microsoft has added an option to its 1-800-4MY-XBOX support line that names "three flashing red lights" specifically.

As a result of the high failure rate of the Xbox 360, EB Games corporate nearly doubled the prices of its one-year, over-the-counter warranty. While the previous warranty would give a customer a brand new console in exchange for the broken one, the new policy now states that the customer will receive a refurbished console instead. The move was made because it was becoming too costly for the retailer to give the customer a brand-new machine, which still carries a store cost close to the MSRP. The price increase and policy change wasn't exclusive to only the Xbox 360, however, as it also applies to all other Sony and Nintendo consoles sold.

The failure rate nearing a third of all Xbox 360 consoles was found at other retailers too. A Best Buy customer service department manager, who wished to remain unnamed, said that failure rates for the console were "between a quarter to a third" of all units sold.

"We see a ton of [Xbox 360s] come back all the time. We strongly push our customers to buy our service plans no matter what they buy, but it is especially important for them with the Xbox 360," said the manager. "It's a lucky thing for us that Microsoft extended the factory warranty to one year, because we were having a hell of a time dealing with the launch units. Now we don't have to deal with those broken [Xbox 360s] until their second year, for those who have purchased the two year plans."

In late 2006, Microsoft boosted the warranty of all Xbox 360 consoles to one year, up from 90-days previously. For gamers who are out of warranty, however, a replacement or repair will cost Xbox 360 customers $140.

When compared against other systems, the Xbox 360 is failing at higher rates than its current competitors and predecessors. Former EB Games worker Matthieu G. said that the failure rates for all other consoles were not high enough for the retailer to consider revising its policies, and guesses that most other console systems have a failure rate of less than one percent, including the PlayStation 3. Another EB Games manager, when asked if the store warranty was worth it, conceded that in the hundreds of Wii units sold at that location thus far, zero have come back as defective.

Despite the overwhelming evidence that the Xbox 360 is a relatively unreliable games machine, Microsoft officials refuse to comment on its failure rate. Peter Moore, VP of Microsoft's entertainment division, said to the Mercury News, "I can't comment on failure rates, because it's just not something  - it's a moving target. What this consumer should worry about is the way that we've treated him. Y'know, things break, and if we've treated him well and fixed his problem, that's something that we're focused on right now. I'm not going to comment on individual failure rates because I'm shipping in 36 countries and it's a complex business."

Similar questions regarding the Xbox 360 hardware met with the man responsible for the design of the console, Todd Holmdahl. He too sidestepped the issue with the Mercury News, saying, "I would say we don't have a high defect rate. The vast majority of people are really excited about their product, and that we are targeting profitability for next year."

Asked differently about whether or not the Xbox 360 falls into the 'normal' three to five percent return rate, Holmdahl said, "We don't disclose the actual number," and "We don't comment on that."

No piece of technology, no matter how well designed, should be expected to completely free of failure. The key metric is whether or not a product falls within industry standards of acceptable failure rates - and from findings based off retailer-supported warranty returns, the actual rate of failures could be six to ten times greater than what Microsoft is letting on.

Regardless of what the actual failure rate is, there is consumer perception that the Xbox 360 is a less reliable machine than its competitors. That fact alone should encourage Microsoft to do more than just avoid all comments on failures and only preach on the wonderful experience of its consumer base.



WTF M$ just admit it .... vmad.gif
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post Jul 4 2007, 01:28 PM

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PS3 aku beli khas utk game eksklusif dari SONY macam God Of War III dan Heavenly Sword. Game2 yg multiplatform beli jer utk 360....mmg aku tak nyesal sebab aku bukan fanboyan, aku peminat game.
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QUOTE(shamrawk @ Jul 4 2007, 01:41 PM)
wahh.. ko dah beli Ps3?? besh-besh .. agaknye kt money river tu ade lagik stok rm1500 tu?? nak beli lagik lor.. laugh.gif ... nak letak kat cc aku nak wat lan gaming huhuhu doh.gif
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Kena ikut nasib lar bro....kalau nasib ko baik boleh dapat RM1.5k tu.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ron4 @ Jul 4 2007, 01:45 PM)
Wah bro tot dgn shamrawk dah beli PS3, mungkin aku pon nak beli gak nanti hehe
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Shamrawk mmg dah lama ada PS3, dier nak beli yg kedua tu.....beli jgn tak beli.
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post Jul 6 2007, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(ghostdevice @ Jul 6 2007, 10:59 AM)
mine not kicking edi ......already dead after 3 months x-clamp replacement huhuuhuh
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Try to do the 12V fan mod, mine resurrected 2nd time by using this fix. You have to directly solder the two rear fans to a 12V source on the mainboard as the original connector only supply 5V to the fans which are not enough to dissipate the heat on the gpu and cpu.
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QUOTE(Cyphereza @ Jul 6 2007, 11:34 AM)
Does this happen frequently? I mean, has this happen to anyone else? I might be conducting a show which requires the Xbox 360 to be up and running, I can't have the risk of it dying while the show is on. Anyone?
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There's a risk you have to face when dealing with X360. It can go bezerk out of the blue. So I suggest you bring an extra machine just in case worst thing will happen.
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post Jul 10 2007, 10:19 AM

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If still got the warranty better go for it.
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post Jul 17 2007, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(logic @ Jul 17 2007, 02:28 PM)
what happens if u alreayd have xclamps but still 3ROD?
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Then you are FCUKED.... Have to buy a new console. cry.gif
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post Aug 2 2007, 08:32 AM

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A good article explaining the design flaw on X360. Damn the gpu temp raise up to 100C when gaming doh.gif . WTF M$. No wonder all those 3ROD cases are related to the gpu. mad.gif

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The thermal design is the main flaw of the X360. That's why a modification on thermal design is needed in order to eliminate the 3ROD issue. An extra fan blowing towards the gpu heatsink and a custom gpu fan duct must be done. I'm doing this project at the moment.
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QUOTE(edoras81 @ Aug 2 2007, 10:41 AM)
Very good read. The fact is what can we 360 users do now? Especially if we have already undergone the x clamp replacement method as inferring from the article even after the x clamp method it is inevitable the 360 would still overheat in the long run. Guru tot31 would you be as so kind to point us in the right direction.
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That's why there are some revived 3ROD cases using the xclamp replacement method got hit with 3ROD again due to the excessive heat dissipate from the gpu.

The hot air/heat from the gpu must be taken out quickly (that's why the rear fans must be supplied with 7V/12V dc instead of the default 5V dc) and a fresh/cool air must be taken into the case (an additional fan is needed to do the task). A modded gpu fan duct is needed so that the hot air is concentrated to be pulled out quickly so as for the fresh air to be sucked in quickly.

I'm thinking of the best way to do this without cutting the case.
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QUOTE(michael9413 @ Aug 2 2007, 11:37 AM)
i was thinking to to let more air in n change the fan at teh back to get more air flow...
maybe the air flow of the current fan is not good...
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You don't need to change the rear fans, just do the 7V/12V dc mod is sufficient enough to pull all the hot air out. I'm thinking of putting 80mm/120mm fan as an intake fan but the case need to be cut. I don't want to cut the case and that's the problem now.
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QUOTE(michael9413 @ Aug 2 2007, 12:59 PM)
well i duno but if my console don have warranty i might put a hole on the top...
then get another fan to suck more air in...
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Well for me it's kind of ugly cutting a hole and put a fan on the case. It's not the matter of still having the warranty or not but that's the best solution to have fresh air. I've done PC case modification before so this will be an easy task.


Added on August 2, 2007, 1:20 pm
QUOTE(edoras81 @ Aug 2 2007, 12:25 PM)
Is there a guide available for some of us to try the 12V mod?
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How good are you on soldering? Normally I will take out the existing wires on the existing 2 rear fans and solder new wires on them and then solder it to 12v source on the mobo.

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