X8500E still at 6k lowest, I doubt it'll drop to 5k anytime soon

If you are mainly using for 720p downloads and youtube, then you don't even need a 4k TV lol.
Just stick with the x7000e unless you plan to go into 4K downloads/Blu ray.

If you can afford 8500E why would you want the 7000E

Even lower end LED TVs from Sony have already received update for Dolby Vision support. No 7000E though, but some 7500E models are also supported.

https://www.sony.com.sg/electronics/support...nloads/00015069

That is for streaming. Read properly all the way.
Dolby Vision content is supported for video streaming apps/services installed on the TV such as Amazon Prime Video and Netflix (Z9D, X9500E, X9400E, X9300E, A1 only)*

Dolby Vision support for HDMI* is for the rest of the listed TVs as above as long their media/UHD Blu ray player is DV capable.

That’s definitely more than rm6k above TS budget for a 65”

The lower range X85G is already RM5.9k, no way X90H will be less than RM6k lol.
Malaysia TV prices is always more hiked up than US la


I'd recommend to top up a bit more for the Q80R over the Q70R. RM2.65k on Shopee + 10% cashback, more value to performance than any other soundbars

Oops 2.75 Before 10%, didn’t see the shipping.
https://shopee.com.my/SAMSUNG-PREMIUM-SOUND...5209.5640756002

But I would go for Desa Home one instead although a bit more exp since I know their physical shop.
2.9 before 10%

https://shopee.com.my/SAMSUNG-Soundbar-Q80R...4585.6500559109

This post has been edited by Lego Warfare: Jul 11 2020, 01:57 PM

Some of the sellers are from reputable retail stores. Desa Home is quite popular around this area. And the servicing in the end is done by Samsung though.
I remember seeing a JB seller in shopee/lazada as well.

That's if you watch TV in dimly lit or with lights off setting. In bright room it isn't that noticeable lol

HN selling 65" X9000H for RM5,797 and apparently still negotiable?
https://www.harveynorman.com.my/tv-and-audi...d-65x9000h.html

Price went up after 1 day lol

Cheapest is LG's older BX model, around 8-9k

Got my LG B4 few days ago. Wow, looks great and plenty bright enough. Side by side with the C4 and I didn’t notice much difference apart from the slight brightness.
Coming from a 55” LED, the 65” OLED is a nice jump

7.4k, and you get another rm740 e-cashback credit to use at their website. So not so bad, I’m sure price will drop even more when the 2025 models are out.

But for immersiveness I would still probably go for a projector for 100”+ size. More cost efficient and better longevity than OLED 😅

When it comes to immersion, size plays a more significant role than PQ. Obviously Projector PQ won't be anywhere as good as OLED, but can you find any OLED TV bigger than 100"?
Even the biggest LG OLED at 97" costs RM120k+. That's why most hardcore HT enthusiasts use Projector for their AV setup. Even when it comes to 3D, I find projectors better suited than a small OLED TV

I prefer to have both, 120-150" projector with full 7.1.2 / 9.1.2 Atmos setup in a soundproofed room & OLED with soundbar in my bedroom.
The feeling & immersion you get from a Home Cinema Projector is totally different from a smaller 65-77" OLED TV. It feels like you are at the scene, I don't get that feeling with a small sized TV. If you watch 3D this is especially noticeable.

A comparison in Audio would be like Projector -> Live at a Symphony Orchestra vs OLED -> Headphones with dedicated DAC/Amp for precision & clarity. In live venues, you don't get the clarity & precision but you can feel the atmosphere resonating in your bones and heart. While dedicated audiophile headphones/equipment, you get a different feeling. The clarity, emotions of the sound resonates in your heart.

Obviously projectors won’t be able to compete with an OLED in terms of PQ, making that comparison itself is silly. Good projectors have good enough PQ to satisfy majority of the general public. Just do a general survey, majority will say size with decently good PQ > small size with best PQ for immersion.
Except for videophiles who will only focus on PQ, similar to audiophiles who nitpicks on details, clarity. They focus on the technicals more than the music/movie experience itself. Yet many will fail in blind tests when it comes to differentiating 24 bit vs 16 bit audio, or even 10 bit vs 12 bit video. There is only that much our eyes/ears can perceive for our brain to process.

And sitting closer to the screen to envelop your field of vision is so wrong especially when you have proper speaker placements for accurate sound staging.

You may have your opinion, but sorry I still stand by mine when I say that immersion = size matters. Growing up with Laser Discs and Projectors with 7.1 speakers, to LED and now OLED, I’ve lived and experience them long enough for me to not get caught up with newer tech hype that detracts my personal enjoyment. I’d still be more immerse in a 120” inch projector screen with a 1080p Blu-ray than a 65” inch OLED with a 4K Blu-ray.

https://www.techradar.com/opinion/i-traded-...y-to-trade-back

https://www.avforums.com/threads/why-projec...an-tvs.2348636/

A simple google search will also show that majority HT enthusiasts will pick projectors over OLED for immersion due to the size.

HDR isn't really a new tech, it's been around since 1980-90s starting from cameras before making it's way to commercial TVs in the 2010s. But yes, HDR vs SDR is easier to differentiate. But try differentiating HDR10+ vs DV and you can see the results isn't as clear cut. Most good projectors supports HDR, but of course again you can't compare to OLED. In a darkroom at night, OLED can be too bright for some which makes it too uncomfortable and distracting from enjoying the movie. One of the reasons why Projector based screens does very well in "Cinema" setting environment. You don't get the glare.
Most of the movies i watch are HDR, and it is difficult to compare lumens to nits since their conversion comparison isn't easy like 1:1 or 1:3.426. But generally tone mapping is more important for projectors than nits when it comes to HDR. But i disagree though that higher brightness & HDR is more correct/life-like. Most of the time the colours/contrast & DR are over exaggerated to give the wow factor. Real life to me isn't as vivid & contrasty as what is shown.

150" MicroLED? Even a 110" MicroLED already cost USD$150-200k, please give a more reasonable and rationale comparison. You are never going to find a cost effective price for a MicroLED/OLED above 100" for the general enthusiasts.
There are projectors that do AI upscaling, LPU9D, C2 Ultra. PQ projectors are definitely behind but light years behind is over exaggerated.
There are decently good projectors that costs RM10-20k, still much cheaper and accessible than a $150-200k MicroLED. But you need to experience them firsthand before passing judgement. It is easier to judge TVs in retail shops, not Projectors as they perform their best at a completely dark room. Do you even own and live with a projector? Or are you just writing based on what you read or see in retail shops/road shows?




Random AV poster? Go to any AV forums and post the same question. If 80/100 has the same conclusion, are you arrogantly going to dismiss all of them as just random AV poster? You yourself can be considered a random AV poster to others. And that was just a random link, there are dozens of similar topics from hundreds of people, not 'just a couple'.




Your abstract 'studies' does not even answer my argument on Projector(size) vs OLED(PQ) on immersiveness.
Obviously HDR is immersive, but please post your study that TV is more immersive than a Projector.



Again with the videophile numbers instead of actual practical experience/usage. You keep harbouring on nits and peak brightness.
Most movies mastered have a peak brightness of 1000 nits for certain scenes usually at a small area of the screen, but most of the film is sustained between 400-600 nits. OLED/MicroLED makers are hyping up too much on nits, marketing newer TVs at 4000 nits when it is redundant.

https://www.whathifi.com/features/super-bri...od-heavyweights



Changing the topic? Our main initial argument is on immersion with size & PQ being the sub category. Go back and read my initial posts




And in that regards, you are deflecting my argument. I did not change the topic, audio is also a sub category for immersion. So your solution of sitting closer shouldn't even be part of a suggestion.




And what was my counter argument? My argument has always been projector/size giving a more immersive experience than a TV. And that was his exact experience, what was your comprehension??
And where was it mentioned that he prefers 100" despite getting no HDR? I see that you keep jumping to conclusions and fixated on an argument of HDR/Higher PQ is more immersive than non HDR/lower PQ when that isn't even the argument in the 1st place.

You can't even comprehend what was the argument was in the first place, don't even talk about understanding anything.

And please, do enlighten us and write the 50 pages just on 10 colour bits vs 12 colour bits alone, that is if you even can. Try not to copy & paste while you're at it. Make sure it is 50 pages, not 49 or less.

This post has been edited by Lego Warfare: Apr 3 2025, 04:19 PM