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cybermaster98
post Mar 18 2011, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(ebackbone @ Mar 14 2011, 04:04 PM)
want to clear a misconception that grew from here.

there is no such thing as leasehold and freehold having no difference for high rises. tell me, would you be interested towards purchasing a property that has its lease coming up for renewal soon? cause immediately after you settled the purchase price to do with the property, you have to pay out of your own pocket the renewal fees!!

hence, timing is very very important for this type of property investment. you definitely do not wish to be the last owner stuck with a leasehold property and having to pay the renewal fees nor facing the problem of no buyers because the lease is coming up or around the corner (to some, coming round corner can mean 80 years left or more).

and don't think the renewal fees are cheap as well. depending on title and location and others, the renewal fees can vary greatly and this comes out of your own pocket.

be aware of these risks and do your research properly before going for a leasehold smile.gif
Agreed! Leasehold properties in Kota Damansara & Damansara Perdana still appreciated because it was driven by the commercial hub in the same area. Capital appreciation was there due to hikes in rental rates.

For any property that comes with a commercial centre, its capital appreciation will depend on how well the commercial / retail section fares. If the retail is doing well, then u can expect property prices there to appreciate significantly regardless if its lease or freehold.

But if ure purchasing a property in a mostly residential area (>80%) then its best to stick to freehold. The phychological status that comes with freehold is what drives the price up and keeps it there. Nothing much technical about it except in relation to extensions of the lease, etc.

(p/s: Quite a number of ppl who say that leasehold is good are ppl who own lease properties or are involved in the sale of such properties so take everything with a pinch of salt)
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post Mar 18 2011, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(michaellee @ Mar 18 2011, 11:23 AM)
Allow me to humbly share my past experiences. I believe I have purchase leasehold properties and I have actually extended leases on my properties, so at least I know the process.

It is interesting to note that many of us here just talk and talk but had actually no idea how things work but PRESUME how it works.

These days, it is not worth talking about leasehold or freehold. Pai had said that at least leasehold have better returns and that I couldn't agree more. The government of Malaysia at least GUARANTEES the renewal of leasehold land especially in residentail areas. If you compared that with Singapore (where majority of the lands are 99years leasehold), which almost certainly takes the land back.

Let's take 99 years leasehold as an example. If your property is generating a good 10% yield, you should safely recover all your investments (cash outlay) within 5-8 years (10%-interests-10% deposit-legal fees-others) and thereafter hopefully generating good positive cash flow for you. So does it matter if it is leasehold or freehold?

If you are buying for own stay, let me ask you, how many of you actually stay in a property for 99 years? Everyone moves. Maybe 5 years, 10 or 20. So not much argument about freehold. Whatever premium the government charges, let me say for the following 99 years, you are more than able to receive all that you have paid out.

Renewing leases is quite a simple process which you need to surrender your title and then for the land office to approve the extension. Then you pay the stipulated premium and you have your title. Mine took a while longer as there were some people who wanted FREE extension and got political parties involved. However, thanks to them, I end up paying almost nothing for premium.

Speaking to the ADO, I was told that EVEN in the scenario that I did not renew my lease, it is not easy for the government to take back the land (although under the National Land Code, they have every rights to do so). Reason being very political and sensitive. But I do not advise anyone to play with fire. Make sure you are not the first in Malaysia to have your land taken back by the government.

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Good write up. Thanks for that. But the issue here is not in the actual process of extending the lease. Its about property investment. You will not be worrying about extending leases if ure looking into investment as u wont be keeping your property that long rite? People who invest in lease properties usually do so for rental returns while those going for freehold might focus on either rental or capital appreciation. But if leasehold properties are in commercial areas which are doing well then it will surely appreciate. There is no fixed rule for anything. We invest based on knowledge and gut feel. Sometimes we're right and sometimes we're wrong. But the main idea is to minimise risk exposure.



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post Mar 21 2011, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(T816B @ Mar 19 2011, 12:29 AM)
I believe I have said this before, but I am going to say it again.

My leasehold property took 3 months to complete the transaction, while my freehold property took 4 months.
There are alot of other factors which influence sale transactions. The status of the property is only 1 factor.

 

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