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post Aug 22 2017, 04:03 PM, updated 9y ago

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-41008802
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India's top court has ruled the practice of instant divorce in Islam unconstitutional, marking a major victory for women's rights activists.

In a 3-2 majority verdict, the court called the practice "un-Islamic".

India is one of a handful of countries where a Muslim man can divorce his wife in minutes by saying the word talaq (divorce) three times.

The landmark court decision came in response to petitions challenging the so-called "triple talaq" custom.

    India court reviews instant divorce
    Triple talaq: India's Muslim women fight against instant divorce

The cases were filed by five Muslim women who had been divorced in this way and two rights groups.

"Muslim women in India have suffered for the last 70 years. It's a historic day for us, but it doesn't end here. I cannot tell you how much Indian women have supported us, despite their religions," Zakia Soman, an activist from Bharatiya Muslim Mahila Andolan, one of the groups which contested the practice, told reporters.
What is instant divorce?

In recent years, there have been cases in which Muslim men in India have divorced their wives by issuing the so-called triple talaq by letter, telephone and, increasingly, by text message, WhatsApp and Skype. A number of these cases made their way to the courts as women contested the custom.

Yet triple talaq divorce has no mention in Sharia or the Koran, even though the practice has existed for decades.

Islamic scholars say the Koran clearly spells out how to issue a divorce - it has to be spread over three months, allowing a couple time for reflection and reconciliation.

Activists say most Islamic countries, including Pakistan and Bangladesh, have banned triple talaq, but the custom has continued in India, which does not have a uniform set of laws on marriage and divorce that apply to every citizen.
What did the court say?

Three of the judges called the controversial practice "un-Islamic, arbitrary and unconstitutional". One of the judges, Justice Kurien Joseph, said the practice was not an essential part of Islam and enjoyed no protection.

Chief Justice JS Khehar, in a differing opinion, said that personal law could not be touched by a constitutional court of law.

The opposing judgements also recommended that parliament legislate on the issue. However this is not binding and is up to parliament to take up.
'Strong message' - By Geeta Pandey, Editor, India women and social affairs

The judgement is a huge victory for Muslim women. For decades, they have had to live with the threat of instant divorce dangling over their heads like a sword.

Campaigners say over the years thousands of women, especially those from poor families, have been discarded by their husbands in this manner. Many have been rendered destitute, with nowhere to go, or have been forced to return to their parental homes or fend for themselves.

The top court has also sent a very strong message to Muslim clergy. India's Muslim personal law board had called the practice "reprehensible" but said that it was not an issue for the courts and government to interfere in. With this latest ruling, this will no longer be the case.
How are people reacting?

The judgement is being widely hailed as a major victory for Muslim women and women's rights.

The hashtags #TripleTalaq and #SupremeCourt began trending on Twitter India even as the verdict was being announced. The hashtag #Tripletalaq is also trending globally on Twitter.


India court no like Muslim anymore?

They says win for women but actually it's good for men. Divorce and still happen and men no longer need to wait for wife to marry someone else before they can remarried.

Just weird how they can make ruling without consult the Islamic council as if we just follow Quran and not include sunnah, many things can be changed.
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:04 PM

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Because they dont actually have proper syariah council like we do. Therefore their civil court takes the precedent over the issue.
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:04 PM

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Muslim man can divorce his wife in minutes by saying the word talaq (divorce) three times

If say it below 3 or more than 3 how?

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post Aug 22 2017, 04:07 PM

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Malaysia oso same coz divorce follow common law instead of syariah sad.gif
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:11 PM

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dengan ini aku vijandren ramadass menceraikan dikau Joy Revfa Sofia dengan talak 3!
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Aug 22 2017, 04:03 PM)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-41008802
India court no like Muslim anymore?

They says win for women but actually it's good for men. Divorce and still happen and men no longer need to wait for wife to marry someone else before they can remarried.

Just weird how they can make ruling without consult the Islamic council as if we just follow Quran and not include sunnah, many things can be changed.
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dont wanna included bangladesh and pakistan as well? which also banned similar practice

what happen when sunnah deviated from the quran?
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:16 PM

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if not in quran how it exist? From ppl tradition, but not related to islam?
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 22 2017, 04:15 PM)
dont wanna included bangladesh and pakistan as well? which also banned similar practice

what happen when sunnah deviated from the quran?
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:29 PM

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So the women wants to stay with husband that divorced them?
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:30 PM

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what is the impact? of talak 3? to both? husband and wife. How will it cause trouble to the wives? someone care to explain. (i know this is not the correct channel but just wanting to see some views)
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Aug 22 2017, 04:29 PM)
So the women wants to stay with husband that divorced them?
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Ya weird. Talaq 3 is actually bad for husband but i guess they want to be with husband??

QUOTE(beligames @ Aug 22 2017, 04:30 PM)
what is the impact? of talak 3? to both? husband and wife. How will it cause trouble to the wives? someone care to explain. (i know this is not the correct channel but just wanting to see some views)
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I think they said now 3 talaq consider as one. Still need mediation so can be together again after 3 month of counselling.

If religious council in Malaysia also do this, I'm very very happy. It's moving the a good direction.
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:40 PM

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YES! FUCK RELIGION LAW

CIVIL SECULAR LAW > ALL
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Aug 22 2017, 04:37 PM)
Ya weird. Talaq 3 is actually bad for husband but i guess they want to be with husband??
I think they said now 3 talaq consider as one. Still need mediation so can be together again after 3 month of counselling.

If religious council in Malaysia also do this, I'm very very happy. It's moving the a good direction.
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I think saying it for 3 times is to ensure that the person is in composure and really mean what he said and considered as first talaq. This is not about third talaq. In Malaysia, they have to refer to court if the talaq is valid. It is not valid if it was phrased during outburst or in anger. If husband and wife are willing to reconcile, then can remarry. After 3rd talaq, there is no way they can remarry again because it will bound to divorce again.
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Straight up talak 3 is illegal, not a big surprise
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QUOTE(beligames @ Aug 22 2017, 04:30 PM)
what is the impact? of talak 3? to both? husband and wife. How will it cause trouble to the wives? someone care to explain. (i know this is not the correct channel but just wanting to see some views)
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talak 3 cannot rujuk

if husband die die want the wife back,

wife need to fucuk with other man legally (married), then the man talak her,

wait until the wife finish iddah (3 months) then only can remarried.
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post Aug 22 2017, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Aug 22 2017, 04:47 PM)
I think saying it for 3 times is to ensure that the person is in composure and really mean what he said and considered as first talaq. This is not about third talaq. In Malaysia, they have to refer to court if the talaq is valid. It is not valid if it was phrased during outburst or in anger. If husband and wife are willing to reconcile, then can remarry. After 3rd talaq, there is no way they can remarry again because it will bound to divorce again.
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I don't know about this. Got one uncle in SG who said talaq 3x and they cannot be together anymore.

If Malaysia like that, we are actually good!
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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Aug 22 2017, 04:37 PM)
Ya weird. Talaq 3 is actually bad for husband but i guess they want to be with husband??
I think they said now 3 talaq consider as one. Still need mediation so can be together again after 3 month of counselling.

If religious council in Malaysia also do this, I'm very very happy. It's moving the a good direction.
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post Aug 22 2017, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Aug 22 2017, 04:57 PM)
I don't know about this. Got one uncle in SG who said talaq 3x and they cannot be together anymore.

If Malaysia like that, we are actually good!
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http://peguam.blogspot.my/2015/09/isu-baia...az-talak-3.html
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post Aug 22 2017, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(Ibrahimovic @ Aug 22 2017, 04:03 PM)
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-41008802
India court no like Muslim anymore?

They says win for women but actually it's good for men. Divorce and still happen and men no longer need to wait for wife to marry someone else before they can remarried.

Just weird how they can make ruling without consult the Islamic council as if we just follow Quran and not include sunnah, many things can be changed.
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The judge already said it is unislamic.which mean she already refer to.its more like a custom than islam teaching

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