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cynthusc
post Jul 25 2018, 08:35 AM

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My expenses for family of 2. Just me and my teen daughter:

Housing Loan RM3200
Other Property Loan RM2000
Rent (Before move in to house next year) RM1000
Car RM800
Tuition Fees RM1000
Pocket Money for Daughter RM120
Petrol RM500
Tolls RM300
Groceries RM400
Eating Out RM1000
Cat Food RM50
Electricity - RM60
Internet - RM150
HP bill - RM130
Insurance - RM1000
Savings including EPF - RM2000
Emergency Fund (In case of emergencies and will be transferred to savings or used to pay off some of loan at the end of year) - RM1K

Yearly
Holidays RM30K
Educational Seminars RM2K
Road Tax Insurance RM1100
Car Repairs and Maintenance RM1200
Angpows RM2000
Presents for family and friends RM3K
Quit Rent and Assessment - RM2.5K

This post has been edited by cynthusc: Jul 25 2018, 09:03 AM
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post Jul 25 2018, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(55665566 @ Jul 25 2018, 09:22 AM)
Looks good I would say. Balance in lifestyle, family and self-investing
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Thanka. No point in earning money and not enjoying life and improving oneself.
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post Jul 25 2018, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jul 25 2018, 10:09 AM)
Pretty detailed. Ha.

I guess the important thing is how many % of your monthly income is your real saving.

Aim for at least 30%, my 2 cents.
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My income in not fixed. Sometimes I earn 100K per month sometimes only 8K. On average about 20-25K per month.
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post Jul 25 2018, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jul 25 2018, 10:21 AM)
Very impressive.

In that case, % saving on yearly basis. That will give you some idea on where you are on wealth accumulation & growth.

P/S Any vacancy I can apply? Ha.
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Hahaha...already employing 2 permanent employees. You will need a certain professional degree. If per annum, savings is not much at approx 3K per month if I include my emergency fund. Only abt 15%. But I consider my properties a form of investment. Also I don't intend to retire....will probably work until I can't because not working will bore me to death.
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post Jul 25 2018, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 25 2018, 10:26 AM)
Having a kid myself, i hope you put aside some cash for her education/degree.

Myself I'm saving right now to the point when she's 18, I'll have about 1M in cash ready for her education needs. I have a feeling this will not be sufficient to cover everything and would need to be supplemented by some extra money lying around. But atleast I have a base to work with.

The savings partly comes from an insurance investment plan (a form of forced saving which literally gives crap returns), and a property allocated for this use, to be sold when the cash is needed.
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I don't intend to pay for her full education. I will only subsidise 30%. The rest she has to earn herself either through scholarships or jobs which is what I did when I studied. Not gonna spend 1 million on education. If she can't do well enough in her studies to make it on her own...then maybe tertiary ediucation is not for her.
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post Jul 25 2018, 10:42 AM

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I may sound harsh but we are very close and she understands that. That is why she has been saving her own money for years.
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post Jul 25 2018, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(xPrototype @ Jul 25 2018, 10:40 AM)
That's quite a lot of holidays considering there's only 2 of you?

How do you justify yourself spending so much on holidays?
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Holidays are educational. She learns a lot from visiting different countries, museums, heritage and historical sites, mixing with the locals, learning to communicate and travel. Working on her social skills. My daughter at 16 can navigate many countries on her own as we do research and learn the basic language of each country before travelling.
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post Jul 25 2018, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(cfkoon @ Jul 25 2018, 10:48 AM)
Applaud your mindset, and kudos to you and your daughter as you have already outline it to her. Well planned.

Personally my choice is that I will subsidize their whole studies, but whatever that they earn through scholarships and awards (I will pass it on to them, e.g if they have sponsored tuition fees, the money for that will be given to them - under supervision ofc but its theirs). They can use it to treat themselves (with control) or use the money to start their business whatever, its theirs. If I tell them this concept early enough, they might study even harder, given that there's monetary benefit at the end of it.
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My motto is just give my daughter s little help but she has to want it herself. She has to decide what kind of life she wants. If she is happy living in a small apartment driving a small car that is up to her and I will not judge nor interfere. But one thing is clear she must fend for herself and don't expect handouts from me except for occasional presents and meals. She is already lucky than most. She does not have to buy a house and will inherit my car. So her job is to get herself educated and to make a living.
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post Jul 25 2018, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 25 2018, 11:13 AM)
My view,
If 1M is not enough for the education cost, then might as well drop the idea.

Kids need to learn how to gather education fund themselves, it is process of growing up.
If the kid indeed brilliant in study, there are various scholarship and channels to fund the education nowadays, may not need as much as that.

I am not a fan of "using money to push the kid education" theory.
In fact, it may actually spoil the kid, especially if the kid is just ordinary or lesser than ordinary.

Nowadays, getting a ordinary degree is no longer a career path guaranteed, which in return may "trap" themselves in career path.

In fact, nowadays, many non-degree holder are thriving better than ordinary degree holders.
Kid need to go along their interest and exhibit their own strength and constant learning.

Industries are changing fast nowadays, now we are also talking about financial sector total revamp, HK already comes out with virtual banking, whereby the bank has no physical branch to serve customer anymore, but only through online channel. So previous ordinary banker also need to know how online banking works nowadays.

Those thrive or success in their career, generally are not because of their degree, but constantly learning and improve themselves instead of due to previously throwing money at ordinary education.

Just my personal opinion.
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This is very close to my views. If my daughter can only get one or two As and does not qualify for scholarships then I will just ask her to do a professional qualification like Diploma in Accounting or Business or a technical qualification and to start working. Clearly if she is not capable of scoring the necessary As, she does not have the aptitude for tertiary studies.

In the last two years I have fired no less than 10 graduates. The main problem: They have no interest in the profession. They are forced to study it. Because of that they are not committed. They are merely sitting in the office and waiting for the time to pass and doing substandard work. But they don't have to worry because their Mamas and Papas will give them pocket money. Some drive better cars than me. Some have credit cards paid by their parents. Some have never taken a bus. After two months they leave because they hate what they are doing and they can afford to rely on their parents for their livelihoods. Hopefully they find their way.
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post Jul 25 2018, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 25 2018, 11:30 AM)
Actually none of your complaints deal with whether these kids have a degree/education.

its more a matter of attitude. Attidude does not differentiate between poor or rich. Its inherent in that person, and how his environment molds him.

There is no guarantee a poor guy with no degree is more hardworking then a rich guy with a prestigious degree. It might be the other way around.

SO pls, to compare apple to apple.

If there is 2 guy, A & B. Both are hardworking, smart, pro-active, responsible etc etc etc. All things being equal. But, one only have an SPM while the other guy is a Cambridge grad. Who do you think has a better head start and would likely be able to climb higher in life?
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First of all...I am comparing apple to apple. They are all graduates. Regardless of which university they come from. Many come from UK universities where their parents have paid for their education in total. Many have repeated their studies after failing one year or more.

Parents drove these kids to take these degrees not because they are interested but because that is what their parents want. A child with a degree. If my daughter wants to be a doctor and has the ability to study and get the necessary grades to achieve her dream then she will definitely find a way. But if she gets mediocre results I am not gonna spend 1 million just to put a piece of paper in her hands. That just means that is not for her. She is bound for other things in life. Simple as that.

BTW if my daughter gets accepted into Harvard, she won't need my money. She will definitely get a scholarship.
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post Jul 25 2018, 11:45 AM

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Also those who came to work for me and did not cut it, many from universities such as Manchester, Liverpool etc. The two that have stayed on permanently, one is from a local university and the other is from a twinning college. Both have one thing in common: They came from difficult family backgrounds and really wanted it.
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post Jul 25 2018, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 25 2018, 11:32 AM)
I actually do not understand why people tend to think.

Poor kid = Street smart, innovative, go getter, hardworking, <insert any good quality>

Rich kid = Dumb, lazy, sloth, only relying on parents etc etc

I really dont see how this kind of stereotype comes about. For all we know. the rich guy might be the one with all the good qualities while the poor kid has all the bad qualities.

I personally have some very rich friends, I'm talkign private jets kinda rich. And they are not rich lazy snobs that everyone assume them to be, but maybe people tend to have that kinda perception cause they are not close to these people... and i dont blame them cause they do not easily allow people to enter their inner circle of friends..
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Eh just like not all poor kids are hardworking, not all rich kids are lazy but rich kids did not make their money. Their parents or family did. My maternal side I have rich cousins....no private jets but they take 1st Class. My uncle probably earns RM500K a month. They are all working with my uncle in his company and have degrees from UK universities paid for by my uncle. My cousins have to work for my uncle because they can't earn as much as him and of course they need to inherit the business. Are they lazy...not more than others but they definitely don't have to work too hard for their money. Also my uncle has to constantly hire outside help including yours truly because my cousins aren't capable enough to run the company yet.

My daughter does not have that inheritance like my cousins. So she has to work hard. If she wants more then she will work hard and achieve her dreams.
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post Jul 25 2018, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 25 2018, 11:53 AM)
Have you considered that perhaps the cream of the crop didnt choose to apply for a job with you?

Anyway, it seems we have drifted quite far away form "Finance,Business,Investment" so I'll leave this as it is.
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Maybe not but we are not talking the cream of the crop here. We are talking about paying for a degree despite the child not being able to get his/her own scholarship.
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post Jul 25 2018, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 25 2018, 11:52 AM)
So in summary.

1. If your daughter is unable to get the funds,, then her dream of being a doctor will be crushed, despite she having the academic capability.

2. If she gets accepted to Harvard, but without a scholarship, she can forget about it and find a local Uni instead.

Well, if your choice is tough love, then so be it, to each their own.

I would liek to say i will not be subscribing to your method. If my children is in the above 2 scenario, they WILL be a doctor/harvard graduate.

ps : As to your claim of "definitely will", well... i'm glad you can definitely predict the future.
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1. If she has the academic ability she will get the funds. No academic ability but dream to be doctor, won't get funds from me

2. If can get into Harvard, sure will get funds (you should know this lar. I also got offer from Kings College, full ride)

3. Good luck to you lar...your son/daughter get 2 As want to be doctor and get into Harvard (which is totally impossible as to get into Harvard a perfect score is a given) then you pay lar 1 million. If fail first year because cannot pass then you pay another 1 million lor. Maybe can enter Pseudo-Harvard or Paper Mill University...then you can pay another 1 million.

Then when come out scared to hold scalpel and want to be barista instead then you open Starbucks for him or her. Kautim

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post Jul 25 2018, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 25 2018, 12:08 PM)
But our differing views stem form the initial fact that i am of the opinion that I've prepared a fund for my child's education if and when she needs it.

While you are of the views that if your child cannot pay for her own education, she will be thrown to the dogs and thats that.

So, if both our daughter is academically proficient enough to get accepted to Harvard, and they both managed to get scholarship, then they both end up there.

While if both of them failed ot get a scholarship (no matter the reason), only mine will manage to go cause her parents is ready to supoort her, while yours will have to find a spot in the local U.

Is this correct?

ps : Pls dont start with "poor will work harder, rich will be lazy" that is the kind of assumption with no basis whatsoever.
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You also never read properly. Fail to get scholarship means not good enough lar. Haiyo....do something else lar. I still subsidise 30% mah.
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post Jul 25 2018, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 25 2018, 12:08 PM)
But our differing views stem form the initial fact that i am of the opinion that I've prepared a fund for my child's education if and when she needs it.

While you are of the views that if your child cannot pay for her own education, she will be thrown to the dogs and thats that.

So, if both our daughter is academically proficient enough to get accepted to Harvard, and they both managed to get scholarship, then they both end up there.

While if both of them failed ot get a scholarship (no matter the reason), only mine will manage to go cause her parents is ready to supoort her, while yours will have to find a spot in the local U.

Is this correct?

ps : Pls dont start with "poor will work harder, rich will be lazy" that is the kind of assumption with no basis whatsoever.
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Why you so against local u? LOL..my employee local university doing very well.
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post Jul 25 2018, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 25 2018, 12:11 PM)
1. Again there is no basis "she has academic ability she will get the funds". Atleast you clarified no funds no education.

2. See above. Grats on your scholarship, alrdy mention 20% of those in harvard gets full scholarship, if your daughter is in the other 80%, well, local Malaysian U is quite good as well.

3. Again groundless assumption. I'm sure there are better ways to "try" to put your points across without assuming stupidity in others.
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1. If she has academic ability why no funds??? If she gets straight As she will get funds. I did. If get mediocre results then why I want to pay 1 million to send her overseas?

2. Sorry you don't know much about Harvard right? Every Malaysian that got into Harvard had a scholarship..

3. What to do? You only choose to read what you want and make assumptions. Sometimes we have to assume stupidity when it is staring at you in the face

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post Jul 25 2018, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 25 2018, 12:13 PM)
Fail to get scholarship means not good enuf?

SO I suppose more then half of all those in Harvard, Oxford, MIT, Cambridge etc etc are not good enough.

Ok, I'm sure you are the foremost authority in this subject, being a king's scholar and all.  thumbsup.gif
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Clearly you don't know anything about academic admissions. You better get to know more. If your kid scores straight As you can save your 1 million.
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post Jul 25 2018, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(cfkoon @ Jul 25 2018, 12:18 PM)
There's nothing wrong with your plans and actions for your daughter. Certainly nothing wrong with your opinions against those Fresh Grad you hire. There are elements of truth in this (and your opinion is formed based on what you experience). I have friends who came back from UK (some working hard, some not as hard) so it depends. There are definitely those that are incapable and lazy due to their family bg (vice versa there are those who aren't).

Pay no attention to some ppl who criticize your actions, very hypocritical and narcissistic - blowing their own horn but only empty noise comes out. 

However if whoever who wants to support their kids go ahead, everyone has their own choice. If you are incapable, don't force the issue though.
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Yup it is their own choice. I was not forcing the issue. I was just defending against an attack from Mars. We were talking about paying for a child's education. I choose to pay partially because I believe that if she wants it she will find a way to get it. If MeToo wants to pay full, up to himlar.
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post Jul 25 2018, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 25 2018, 12:22 PM)
1. Ahh, the old "if I can why she cannot argument". Also, I'm sure you can show that every student who got straight A's in malaysia will get a scholarship to Harvard (or its equivalent)... right?

2. You are also the foremost authority in Harvard admission? I'm sure you can substantiate your assertion that "Every malaysian that got into Harvard had a scholarship" ... right?

3. Ah yes, when all else fails, resort to personal attacks, calling the other guy stupid is also a plus. I can see you are clearly highly educated.  thumbsup.gif
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1&2 Seek and you shall find. Don't be lazy.

3. What to do? a degrading post deserves a degrading response.

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