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post Jul 24 2018, 12:05 PM

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Ramjade - may have some unrealistic figures, but if he's able to work around it let him be. no one can verify it but it's not out of the realms of possibility.

But I believe some of his views makes alot of sense and should be practiced. Such as:

1) Ppl rushing to buy house/cars - take loans to finance them. The attitude of younger ppl should be to instead invest/save what they earn over the first few 10 years, instead of rushing to take out loans to finance houses too early. The worst financial advise is to "invest" in property - you are not growing your assets, you are merely financing your liability. Take the time to grow 10k in bank instead of paying off 10k in liabilities.

2) Living by your own means. If Ramjade thinks he's willing to sacrifice 10 years first, and then live comfortably the next 10, that's his choice. Not everyone can do it, if you can't you can choose to live more comfortably, save less. Ppl want to take holidays, they should - life is short , enjoy life (but financially manage them)


As for Showtime747, you seem to have some complex - especially with DaddyKasi concept. Maybe you are much older, worked hard throughout your life, now servicing some loans, who knows but stop trying to sound like you know all.

1) Ppl can escape loans - its a choice, no one is pointing a gun for you to take a loan. The choice comes down to what u want to buy, at what point of time u want to buy. House and car purchases are also a choice. If he can finance them without getting loan, kudos to him.

2) If your Daddy didnt kasi you, don't be salty.

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post Jul 24 2018, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(rapple @ Jul 24 2018, 01:19 PM)
The worst advise is tell people to put money in banks to beat inflation.

Of course when you are given a huge sum of money and not sure what to do, putting it in bank is the best thing to do.

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Says worst advise, doesnt explain why. As the saying goes, TCSS.

At 10k, the amount is not enough to do any serious investment. Put it in FD, work hard, grow the amount to 100K, then go into more sophisticated invt.

Inflation only affects the poor, not the middle income n high income.

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post Jul 24 2018, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 24 2018, 04:03 PM)
Huh?  confused.gif  confused.gif
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Eg
Low income : 1K . Basic cost of living = 800. Savings = 200
Middle income : 5K . Basic cost of living = 2K. Savings = 3K
High income : 20K. Basic cost of living = 5K . Savings = 15K

When inflation hits your basic cost of living, whose savings gets crunched more? Savings decline, inflations hits harder. Perpetual cycle.

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post Jul 24 2018, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 24 2018, 04:53 PM)
Inflation hits everything.

Low income u send to govt school free.

High income u send ot international school, 50k a year, ingflation 5% a year.

Inflation affects EVERYONE. Cause it lowers the value of money, u have little or more money you still get hit the same.
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Low income send govt school by neccessity.

High income send whatever school by CHOICE.

Inflation HITS everyone, it does not AFFECT everyone.

Inflation only hits when you SPEND doh.gif that's basically the definition of inflation.

QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 24 2018, 04:58 PM)
dont be silly.

if u earn 50k and spend liek someone who earns 5k.

then whats the point of earning 50k? abit bodo right.

or u think money in the bank can take to the grave?
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Yes this point is valid. But it doesnt have to apply to everyone. Li Ka Shing and Warren Buffett don't spend like what they are "worth".

If you earn 50k, and spend 50k - you are a poor man

If you earn 50k and spend 10k - you are a rich man

Money can't be brought to grave, but money should be managed wisely. It's not every month and every year you will be earning 50k. Money management lets you to continue spend 10k forever regardless if you are earning or not.


Btw once again inflation dont affect rich ppl and middle income, it hits them - but they can brush it off like its nothing.

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post Jul 24 2018, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 24 2018, 05:26 PM)
Hi bro,

1. Why use your dupe account to post here ? Scared readers here trace back to your background ?  brows.gif

2. If you are interested to know my background, you can just do a quick search in Property Talk, FBI, and Stock Exchange sub-section, and you will know quite a lot about me. BTW, I don't use dupe account to post like you. So, you can always read and look for consistency of what I wrote over the years. Anyway, it is substance of what I wrote that counts. Substance and knowledge is the best "testimonial". Not a dupe account

3. Do I sound like I "know all" ? If that is the impression to you, I am flattered. Because it is not my intention and I never felt so myself. But if you really feel that my comment is so impactful until you feel I "know all", I can only say thank you for the compliment  thumbup.gif

4. If you take the time to read back, bro ramjade actually said he can buy a house in 10 years from now. His choice of funding is from his relatives. 10 relatives each loan him RM30k, and he can buy a RM300k house. And that is interest free because his clan don't charge interest for inter-family loan ! How realistic is it to have 10 relatives who can loan a person in our modern society now ? So, it is inaccurate to say he can escape bank loan. Just that his source of loan is his relatives instead of banks

5. As for his car, the case is the same. He is using a Kancil from his family. So, he has a choice not to have car loan. For many people, there is no daddykasi. And they have no choice but to get a loan to buy a car. While bro ramjade has a lot of "dedication" to be bank loan free

6. My daddy go sell "salty" duck egg since my primary school days. Does it count as "salty" ?  biggrin.gif
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1. Not a dupe acct, i'm just more active these days. thumbsup.gif

2. Not really interested in yr bg. what you wrote is the best substance to judge your characther - and it's abit narcissistic.

3. no need, your comments not impactful. and yes you sound abit, if its not yr intention then ok good job, give you another thumbup.gif

4. i agree with this statement, borrowing from relatives unrealistic, impractical and possibly exploitative.

5. for many ppl with no choice, can choose NOT to buy car (yes you have comeback, but oh wells)

6. that one yr daddy salty. maybe you are too.


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post Jul 24 2018, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 24 2018, 05:27 PM)
Money is not yours unless you spend it. If you dont spend money then the money have NO VALUE at all.
I love it how everytime people talk about "rich" everyone wants to bring in the billionaries and use them as comparison.

So your definition of rich is Li Ka Shing and Buffett? Then everyone else is poor?

Cause pls understand there is a certain base amount you can spend before more money becomes irrelevant. So pls dont bring in Billionaires into the equation unless you want to bring the discussion to a different level.

Now, going back to spending habits, sure if you earn 50k and spend 10k, you will have more "savings". You will not be "rich". Cause if all you EVER do is spend 10k a month, regardless of how much you save its useless and pointless, you ever will spend 10k a month. How can you be "rich"?

Money in the bank that you NEVER use does not make u rich.
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No need talk philosophy.

But i must rebut you because your thinking can misguide others.

Money is still mine if I don't spend it. It then becomes a choice of when I spend it. Being flexible is what being wealthy is, you have CHOICE not bounded by NECCESSITY.

Money in bank that you don't use, can be used to generate more money.

By your statements, I do feel you are not very financial savvy UNLESS you are a 70 year old uncle who wants to spend the rest of his life happier (go ahead and spend all your money man, live like a king). the rest of us will have to save and invest before we reach 70 so that we can spend all our money. We want to be financially secure for our future, and family rclxms.gif
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post Jul 24 2018, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 24 2018, 05:50 PM)
you been claiming.

"keep money in the bank, save, dont spend, you will be RICH".

Money in the bank can be used ot generate more money that you never use? Really? Thats a good plan?

What nonsense is that, whats the pooint of having figures printed on a piece of paper.

You feel rich? You feel good? You enjoy it? Nope... you dont enjoy it, you continue to scrounge like a pauper. Maybe after you expired your kids can finalyl take the money out and live an enjoyable life.

As for financially savvy or not, well, perhaps I'm not, but I would like to think I'm doing ok for myself. I live an enjoyable life and still managed to retain a 7 digit nett worth... not rich, but certainly not living like a "rich pauper"
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Generating money passively is bad and nonsensical? Hmmm hmm.gif i guess the whole world doesn't want this since its nonsense.

No one is saying to live like a pauper, but I am asking you to money manage and live within your means. that means to also have financial security.

Does your seven digit include the cents at the back rclxs0.gif abit of joking there haha your 7-digit nett worth must be in your house and cars right. cause what you been preaching is keep your liquid asset (cash) low, and spend it? i assume your liquid assets must be low , in order to maximise your happiness.

Like I said, when I'm 70 and old, I will definitely try out your lifestyle. No use leaving money for my kids and wife. Spend all for myself. Because spending money on myself will make me happy. Spending money on my family members wont. Leaving them financial security wont make me happy too.
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post Jul 24 2018, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 24 2018, 06:12 PM)
1. Haha, everybody here believe you  brows.gif

2. Coming from a dupe, that must be true

3. But you felt my comment, until you have to reply to me. It may not be impactful to others, but it is to you very apparently

4. So bro ramjade can choose not to have bank loan because he have access to generous relatives ? 10 of them !

5. For most KV people, if no car, you limit yourself to your job location, hence limit yourself to opportunities. Not practical

6. Come to think of it, I am very proud to have made it over the last 50+ years without daddykasi. It is definitely a higher sense of achievement compare to bro ramjade who have daddykasi but brag about how thrifty his life is
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1. thanks

2. but you said everyone believe me

3. you reply directly to my comments, its only courtesy i replied back. i think i was more impactful to you instead since you engage me in a conversation first.

4. bad ramjade have so many generous relatives. but again i agree its not practical.

5. Can take bus + LRT (alot of friends do it). if you have the skills, opportunities will appear. if you don't, don't get a car.

6. good job, i don't want to take away the fact you have worked hard. but im sure yr daddykasi you milk powder + pampers and even salted egg. its just that bro ramjade daddykasi him more stuff like kancil. that's life. btw so you wont kasi your children education and house to live in?
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post Jul 24 2018, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 24 2018, 06:18 PM)
Ok, I give up trying to dispute your way of thinking, you live life the way you like.

But, pls do not leave money in the bank, thats the worse way to "grow your wealth" as you put it. Money in the bank will always lose its value over time, the bank interest will never keep up with inflation. As to where to grow your money, I'm sure you have your own ideas.

What I'm preaching is, upgrade your lifestyle as your income grows. DOnt be a penny pincher and live liek a pauper. When you have 500k cash , do you buy a 500k car? Not really... but go buy a 200k car, splurge a bit. Dont go buy a proton and think you are rich rich rich. It doesnt work that way. For all you know, you might die tmr.

Oh and wait until 70? U sure you can live until then?  blush.gif
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if you spend the way you do, you prob might not live till 70 cause you dont have money to live healthier and pay for medical bills sweat.gif

Bank CA interest ~1%, FD rate 4%, Malaysia CPI ~3%. Put FD, your money can keep up.

I agree, upgrade your lifestyle for sure - actually no one is saying not to - i'm always from start till now preaching money management and spending within your means. Its a choice, don't question ppl why they never buy 200k car when they have 500k. If could be they are only comfortable to spend 200k when they have 1m. When they are at 500k, maybe they are comfortable to buy only 100k car.

Again, if you have 500k in bank inflation you wont even feel it. (excluding big tickets items yeah , mostly real estate)
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post Jul 24 2018, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 24 2018, 06:34 PM)
Sir, i'm aghast at your financial literacy. I thought i was pretty bad, but your ineptness put me to shame...

To think that putting your cash in FD will "grow your money and outstrip inflation" is ... wow... i dont even know what to say.
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Ok don't just say its bad, please explain yourself, i'm ready to debate. Just like your previous comment you are not explaining yourself, merely throwing insults holds no weight.

I think at this point , you might be slightly daft - making yourself seem foolish.

And when you explain yrself please put some facts and logic into your words yeah, your previous few comments you forgotten to include those. doh.gif
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post Jul 24 2018, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(rapple @ Jul 24 2018, 06:39 PM)
At one moment, i thought you are good with your money.

Untill i read this.

No wonder you would believe someone who drives a kancil and only uses rm30 fuel a month.
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Sure explain your thoughts, be glad to hear about it thumbup.gif

Ad no i don't believe that he only uses RM30 fuel/month unless he drives 5 minutes to work everyday.

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post Jul 25 2018, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 25 2018, 08:10 AM)
Yes, that cfkoo fella suggest to leave money in the banks. That’s why I was puzzled you share his view  biggrin.gif

FD is the worst investment idea to grow your money
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Haha that's why it's abit hard to talk to illiterate and daft ppl like you n MeToo. bangwall.gif but it's ok, i cannot assume everyone to be educated.

I merely said FD can outpace inflation. I also did say that if one do not have the capital yet, grow your money organically until you do for better investments.

Merely from our conversations, already can see some ppl that are those that think they are "investing" in real estate, take loans, reinvest - possibly those that play abit of stocks or FX. mega_shok.gif then think they are, as they term, richfags.

As for me, I only do not so sophisticated invt like retail bonds, hedge funds, and dual currency. Can't compare to those invt mentioned above. biggrin.gif




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post Jul 25 2018, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 24 2018, 06:37 PM)
Well I am proud to be poor. Because being poor helps me teach me the value of money and have discipline over it. When you are not rich, don't act rich. When you are rich, don't act rich.
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Good one bro, your thinking is right. Everyone started out poor and work their way up to be rich. I know you will make it there FASTER because u have the discipline. I know you are also striving to better yourself financially, instead everyone is bashing your "proud to be poor".

Some ppl here don't know how to be financially independent, dont know how to grow wealth - but act smart preaching the wrong idea to others. possibly have peanuts in bank acct, cash locked up in real estate (but consider asset also la) wink.gif

Its the mindset that seperates the rich n poor.

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post Jul 25 2018, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(rapple @ Jul 25 2018, 09:24 AM)
You think FD can beat inflation, really tells a lot. No further explanation needed.

You says people rush to buy car it's financing liability, how many states in Malaysia have the convenience of LRT/MRT? There are areas that public bus doesn't covered except Grab/Taxi and how much is that per trip? What about meetings on different locations at different times? At this rate people will be spending hundred per day taking public transport, is this realistic?

500k FD and people won't feel the impact of inflation? Probably they won't feel it now but as time goes by the time value of money will comes into play.

It's a different story, if you can get a few thousand of FD interest a day. I know someone who get this sort of FD interest alone, and I'm also sure they are not driving any Perodua/Proton nor living in a 1,000 sf houses. And he's still doing his business despite all the wealth.

Ramjade, you say you would spend money on overseas trip. What's the difference between buying a new car? Both also requires to spend money. You get nothing in return for the overseas trip except memories but the car can give more than that
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Argument fail cause u cant seem to back it up. Haih so many people can't und simple terms, I have to spoonfeed and explain lo.
FD can outpace inflation (not alot la, maybe sometimes also zero, sometimes less than inflation depending lo).
FD can't grow wealth, you want to grow wealth - go for investments. Very simple.

Buying car IS a financing liability, fact. However if work requires you to, go ahead. What I advice is get one that suits your income capabilities, but at the end of the day - its a depreciating asset, its a financial liability.

Basic cost of living sure won't feel, want to buy house sure will feel. Buy house is a choice, not a necessity (unless you really no roof over your head).

And yes with that sort of returns, i'm not driving perodua or proton - and i also still go to work. but ramjade and you are not getting that so dont bash ramjade lo. and coming down to his spending, its his choice lol he derive more value from overseas trip than car, ppl make choices also want to question (no one question what you eat for lunch right)

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post Jul 25 2018, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(cynthusc @ Jul 25 2018, 10:41 AM)
I don't intend to pay for her full education. I will only subsidise 30%. The rest she has to earn herself either through scholarships or  jobs which is what I did when I studied. Not gonna spend 1 million on education. If she can't do well enough in her studies to make it on her own...then maybe tertiary ediucation is not for her.
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Applaud your mindset, and kudos to you and your daughter as you have already outline it to her. Well planned.

Personally my choice is that I will subsidize their whole studies, but whatever that they earn through scholarships and awards (I will pass it on to them, e.g if they have sponsored tuition fees, the money for that will be given to them - under supervision ofc but its theirs). They can use it to treat themselves (with control) or use the money to start their business whatever, its theirs. If I tell them this concept early enough, they might study even harder, given that there's monetary benefit at the end of it.
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post Jul 25 2018, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(cynthusc @ Jul 25 2018, 12:01 PM)
Maybe not but we are not talking the cream of the crop here. We are talking about paying for a degree despite the child not being able to get his/her own scholarship.
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There's nothing wrong with your plans and actions for your daughter. Certainly nothing wrong with your opinions against those Fresh Grad you hire. There are elements of truth in this (and your opinion is formed based on what you experience). I have friends who came back from UK (some working hard, some not as hard) so it depends. There are definitely those that are incapable and lazy due to their family bg (vice versa there are those who aren't).

Pay no attention to some ppl who criticize your actions, very hypocritical and narcissistic - blowing their own horn but only empty noise comes out.

However if whoever who wants to support their kids go ahead, everyone has their own choice. If you are incapable, don't force the issue though.
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post Jul 25 2018, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(cynthusc @ Jul 25 2018, 12:17 PM)
Clearly you don't know anything about academic admissions. You better get to know more. If your kid scores straight As you can save your 1 million.
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Don't worry if the parents has such thought process, I can confirm that the children won't be contributing much to the society.

And the 1 million also has been long spent on 200K cars and living up the lifestyle of a rich guy. The children prob wont have much left.
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post Jul 25 2018, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(cynthusc @ Jul 25 2018, 12:30 PM)
Was that directed at me? HAAHAHAHA...so I must spend 1 mil on my daughter's education so that she contributes to society.
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Lolol haha not directed to you. I was riding on your comments because I'm allergic to stupidity and so I don't want to respond directly to MeToo.

I do believe that he also insulted you first but later in comments, framed that you resorted to personal attacks and calling him stupid - premise of a truly ignorant person.

And based on his comments of overseas studies, I don't think he has any clue (because first he hasnt been through it, and second his children are not nearing that age).
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post Jul 25 2018, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(cynthusc @ Jul 25 2018, 12:39 PM)
Oh okay...sorry about that. I thought it was directed at me. Anyways I respect your approach and I just chose mine.
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No worries, you have my support on your decision - personally i find that it builds character for your child. There are definitely others who don't have the same opportunity (and vice versa there are also alot kids who do have that privilege). And it isn't up to strangers to question or criticize what is essentially just a "decision" for your children.


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post Jul 27 2018, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(razorknight @ Jul 27 2018, 09:51 AM)
even if i follow all the above, i manage to save RM 2160.... this is on a 20k salary per month basis.... so if those earn 18k ma save RM 0 liao??

The suggested action including packing ur own lunch to work. i wonder who packs for lunch in this forum on a long term basis ???

RM 500 misc per month as pocket money as an adult for mamak, movies, Friday's night out, fixing & washing car where needed, toiletries is not alot also...

2k for food is for
1 time eating out on Sunday at RM120 for three heads = RM 120 x 4 =RM 480....
Remaining RM 1500 for 26 days....
say breakfast RM5 per meal per head = RM 15 and
dinner is at RM 20 per day = RM 35 per day = RM 910
Remaining RM 500 for snacks and vitamins and supplements and weekend family lunch sometimes...

Wife 2k =
petrol RM 400 for picking up kids
toll RM 100
toiletries & cosmetics n etc RM 300
mobile fon RM 100,
pocket money RM 500 for outing yum char with friends, guys go mamak, girls go yum char session, facial n saloon etc....
Remaining is to her parents contribution... i dunno how much but i know she is giving la...

A house wife with 2k a month with a car and children is not alot .... in fact is jimat kaw kaw already...

A lots suggested investment here.... with the understanding its sure win .... if lost leh?? invest more to gain back ???

What other suggestions ???
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If i might be frank, if you are of a substantial ranking and experience, its hard for me to believe that you don't have a wealth management plan at this level.

And guys he's at that level of position and still want to pack lunch?? Must have some face

Let's do some breakdown :
House + Car loan = RM5k
Parents + Parents Benefit = RM3k
Food for family = RM2k
Wife Pocket = RM2k
Self Expenses = RM2k
Children Education = RM1k
Utilitiles = RM1k
Insurance for own family = RM1k

Total RM 17k. Estimated savings = RM3k


From what I see, savings is pretty average (3k), but like others have mentioned before the main point is Self Expenses + Wife Pocket (of course wife save for herself too).
Food + Self Expenses (maybe less happy hours with the guys eh whistling.gif whistling.gif ) + Utilities can be cut down.

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